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There are real monsters out there
Published on March 14, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

The political season brings out the worst in both sides. Too many people treat real world politics as a game. Not as a computer game, but a game of intellectual exercise. What they forget is that there are monsters out there. And once in a great while, a monster gets loose.

In the 20th century, Hitler and his ilk were allowed to run amok across Europe and besides the 30 million or so who died in actual in the war, another 12 million were executed simply because they weren't the correct race or creed. In Rwanda, nearly a million people were slaughtered for not being of the right tribe. That was only a few years ago.

You would think given these examples and others that people would recognize the obvious - there are monsters out there, and once in awhile, a monster gets a hold of the means to do great harm. Al Qaeda is one such monster. But you wouldn't know that based on some of the things you hear. The bombing in Spain seems to have woken up some people in Europe finally. Which is ironic because what happened in Spain was trivial compared to 9/11.

Luckily, adults are in charge. The kids can go hang out on-line or protest somewhere but the adults are the ones making the real decisions. And for them, they understand what Al Qaeda and its ilk really is. So let me share with you what the goal of Bin Laden is: The complete and total transformation of all the world to Islam. Those who are willing to be subjugated to their laws (Islam's not just a religion, it's a form of government) will be spared. Those who resist will be killed. It's that simple. The United States was attacked because it represents the largest obstacle to that goal.

Some people will say "Well, the US had that base in Saudi Arabia and if we hadn't had that, maybe he wouldn't have attacked." And why were we in Saudi Arabia? Because we were asked to by the government of Saudi Arabia. Why? Because Iraq had recently invaded Kuwait and wanted US presence in the area "just in case". We weren't there as part of some sort of imperialistic crusade. We were there to help protect others. Just like we did in Korea (and South Korea was a rural society in 1949, so don't delude yourself into thinking that was about some natural resource). And it's irrelevant anyway. Sooner or later we would have been targeted. Lucky they had to strike sooner, before they had nuclear weapons, rather than later so that we can begin actively resisting them now.

Al Qaeda makes it clear that it will do anything, and I mean anything to bring about its goals. It will kill innocents wholesale.  We should take them very seriously. Seriously enough to consider how 9/11 might have been with chemical or biological or nuclear weapons. And then perhaps the kids who treat this all as some far off intellectual game might come to understand maybe why Saddam had to be removed from power rather than fixating on whether he had actual stockpiles on hand at the end.

I wasn't willing to gamble the life of my wife and children to placate some college student or some European intellectual in Belgium. I know, and continue to know, that Al Qaeda will use whatever it has to murder people in large numbers to reach its publicly stated goals. And if Iraq didn't have WMD on hand, I don't care, because I do know what his intent was and what it was in the long term. I have always known that which is why I supported the war regardless of whether stockpiles were found. I understood and continue to understand that Iraq was part of the war on terror.

But not everyone understands because to them, it's still just a game. But it's not a game to Al Qaeda. To them, it's serious. Deadly serious.

Consider Bin Laden's own statement to the American people:

The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions....

call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest...

You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator...

You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against...

The full text can be found here.

The first thing Al Qaeda wants is the full conversion to Islam. He makes that clear. This isn't US propaganda. This isn't George Bush trying to scare you. This is what Al Qaeda specifically wants. This is what all the killing has been about. 

You can tell it's a game to some people because the same people who argue against US resistance to Al Qaeda are the people who would suffer the most under the rule of Islam.  The same people who can jump from one discussion supporting gay marriage or telling everyone that was unhappy about Janet Jackson's breast exposure should "get a life" are the ones who will then go on and say that he has a lot of good points.  Huh? They'll post how capital punishment is a "human rights violation" while pretending to understand that to be gay under Islam is to be executed? That usury (that's borrowing with interest) would be banned? You have a mortgage? A car payment? A credit card bill? Forget it.  In Iran, for instance, Janet Jackson would have been executed by the government, if she were lucky. Stoned to death if she were not. But some people will put Al Qaeda and the US on morally equal grounds? Clearly, these are unserious people arguing about serious things.

And don't forget that paranoid Jew hating thrown in there, just to make sure that there's no mistake about the would-be Fuhrer's intentions are.

But some people see all this is just another playing card in their game of philosophical objection to the United States or its leaders. So soft and so naive that they write from their places of luxury as if there really are no monsters out there. To them, George Bush is "the monster" even though they have no understanding of what real monsters would do to them.  They think it's all part of some quest for oil or <insert natural resource X here>. Or imperialism or whatever. It's not. It's about our way of life. Our existence outrages them.

These people want to eliminate our way of life. They find our way of life appalling.  They find it immoral and dishonorable. And they plan to make us change it either by voluntarily converting ourselves to their way or by killing every man, woman, or child that resists or may resist them. We're not just fighting some ideology or some far away concept. We're fighting for our lives.

You can't negotiate with a side whose primary demand is that you cease to exist. You can't ignore people who are working towards gaining the means to kill increasing numbers of people. You can't wait until it's a mushroom cloud over your city to act. Al Qaeda and its ilk were not created by the CIA or some American group as some smug yet ignorant people seem to think. I say smug because it demonstrates an arrogance -- that other peoples are incapable of putting together such a movement and such an organization on their own. They believe in what they're doing. They believe they're doing God's work and the only way they'll be stopped is if someone stops them.

Thankfully, the adults are in charge. Regardless of who wins in November, don't kid yourself that the US will change its course. Both candidates, luckily, know that there are monsters out there that have to be dealt with.


Comments (Page 8)
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on Mar 16, 2004
Brad, don't bother. Bulbous is just a troll. You can see it from the 100% regurtitated blather he cuts and pastes into this forum. Also, calm down a bit and read what shades is writing. I know where you're coming from and I'm with you, but he's actually addressing these points (like Iraq and 9/11 being connected in the Iraq war authorization) and not yammering. I don't agree with where shades is going with his information, but at least he's USING information.
on Mar 16, 2004
Every argument I've seen from you has been essentially why we shouldn't do anything. I've yet to see a suggested course of action from you. And hate to break it to you but opposing liberating Iraq is, as a practical matter, being pro-Saddam. It's not name calling. It's just reality


Brad--If you have read what I wrote, you will see that I was in favor of the removal of Saddam, just not in the manner that it was done. I have suggested that there were other ways for the UN to work to oust the Hussein regime, stabilize the region, lift the sanctions, and try Saddam in the ICC...can I outline a step by step process--no, but I doubt that you could come up with an exact battle plan for Iraq (I could be wrong, you could be a military genius for all I know).

Clearly we disagree. However, your insinuation that I am stupid and your direct claim that I can't put forth an argument is ridiculous. I apologize if my opinions angered you; however, I would have thought that you would have been prepared for differing points of view. You have said that your opinions come from your own conclusions--mine come from my own conclusions--I would never dare tell you you can't have yours, I would expect the same courtesy from you. When you aren't being so hot-headed, you make sound arguments that challenge where I stand--I have listened, and rethought my positions, done some investigation, and come to my own conclusions. I'm not sure you can say the same (about the listening and rethinking part).


On a completely irrevelvant note. Matt, the proper pronoun when discussing me would be "she."

on Mar 16, 2004

shadesofgrey:

I don't think you're stupid. I really dislike when people insinuate others are stupid when they're obviously not. Your writings clearly demonstrate you're not stupid so please don't put words in my mouth.

Since I apparently have reading comprenehsion problems, perhaps you could state what the UN could have done to oust Saddam. They'd had a decade to do it without having accomplished anything. By 1998, France and Russia were arguing sanctions should be lifted. And meanwhile France, Russia, and Germany were doing quite well on the "oil for food" program and selling other things to Iraq that they weren't supposed to.

on Mar 16, 2004
Brad:

For the sake of civility, (and because I want to leave work), this will be my last post. I just said that I couldn't give you a step by step on how to remove Saddam, but I'm sure the man could have been taken out with declaring war--we just did it in Haiti.

Ideal situation, the UN is in charge, Saddam is taken out, UN peacekeepers enter--immediately. Plans to deal with the impending civil unrest, water and electricity shortages, and all out chaos would be put into place before Saddam is removed.

on Mar 16, 2004
Sorry shades, I didn't know. And it is relevant! Hell, if someone refered to me as "she" I'd correct them.
on Mar 16, 2004
Islam's not just a religion, it's a form of government


With respect, so too is Judaism and Christianity. The problem with Islam, Judaism and Christianity as a form of government is when they become extremists.

Most Muslims are NOT facist.

Cheers
on Mar 16, 2004

but I'm sure the man could have been taken out with declaring war--we just did it in Haiti.

Ideal situation, the UN is in charge, Saddam is taken out, UN peacekeepers enter--immediately. Plans to deal with the impending civil unrest, water and electricity shortages, and all out chaos would be put into place before Saddam is removed.

Haiti and Iraq are not comparable. Saddam's Iraq is not a nation where 300 guys with guns could march into the capital and take it over.

You don't have to provide a step by step process. But it can't be like the underpants gnomes from Southpark either "Step 1: collect underpants. Step 2: ???. Step 3: profit."

You have to have some sort of plausible way in which your scenario would have played out even if it's general.  In case you forgot, the UN ran away from Iraq after one building was bombed after Saddam was gone. The UN doesn't stay in places that aren't completely secure. So you would have to envision a scenario where Saddam was removed and there would be a great deal of security already in place. Oh and you would need to have a plan to keep Saddam's cronies from sabotaging the water and electricity shortages. Plans are cheap, parts are not.

on Mar 16, 2004
Muslims aren't fascist. I never said they were. Hence I use the term Islamofascist to talk about a group of extremists who have combined Islam and Fascism.
on Mar 16, 2004
Wasn't talking at you Brad, I was refering to the more relgio-racist people who were commenting in the blog.

Cheers
on Mar 16, 2004
Jeb,
You misunderstand, the theocracies extolled by the Mullahs are mandated by the Koran, the word of God.
As for Christianity I looked up everywhere and the only Christian "State" is the Vatican City, (state sponsored religion excepted)
Zionist have a pretty democratic government ( albeit somewhat slavish to orthodoxy ) BUT, let's look at the Islamic States;

Iran - didn't some cleric just annull the candidacy of over 1000 over "purity" issues.
Afganistan - The Taliban was a true to the book ( Koran ) 100% Islamic Government ( let's all come back from the 7th century )

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey have an uneasy truce with their majority Muslim populations, as well as Egypt and Syria, certainly the
Palestinian Authority would fail as a Islamic Government as well.

Jeb, get past the Politically correct version of Islam that paints it as a "Peaceful Religion", it's not, in any reading of the Koran it is
the ONLY religion, revealed to Mohammed as the final chance for the "People of the Book " ( Jew, Christian and Muslim ) to
live as God directed.

It's not pretty, Mohammed lived in a violent time, and EVERY WORD he said was considered to be that of GOD, and it is those words that
fill the Koran. It is those words that Mullahs use today to incite riots, homicide bombers, and terrorist.

Someone posted Ossama's manifesto in comments on another blog, read it closely, it's the same call that the Calif's of the 8th century
gave before either destroying a city or converting its population to Islam.
It is the same call Mohammed proclaimed upon his return to Mecca.

I'm sorry, this is not a history lesson, just study a little deeper into Islam before accusing me of being a religio-racist.......

Islam" the straight path", a history of the middle east ( I loaned the book out or I would give you Pub & Author info )

on Mar 16, 2004

Jeb knows his stuff.

He's not saying there aren't more Islamic governments today. He is arguing that the religion of Islaim is no more inclined to be a government than Christianity.

And there, I hate to say it, he's wrong. Christianity makes it pretty clear that some things are a matter for "Caesar" and some things are a matter for God. Islam makes no such distinction: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." 

on Mar 17, 2004
I concur about the basics of Christianity with Brad, however there does exist a christian theocracy. Judaism, however, is essentially a system of laws, much the same way that Islam is. The only time an Islamic government becomes a "problem" is when they begin spouting extremist rhetoric, the same bad thing that happens when Christian or any other type of relious extremist takes power

Cheers
on Mar 17, 2004
Jeb,
What Islamic State is not a problem?
on Mar 17, 2004
Back on reply 41 or so, I said this would end now. Ooops, sorry.
Won't go into replies to number 56 or 111 as it is over the dam now. But would point out to Brad that if Bush had a plan for Iraq, he'd also have an exit strategy. It is his lack of planning for this that has bogged us down. Which asks the question, "Did he really want one?"


As to 118 above, I think it depends on what pre-conceived notions and objectives one has when you come to the table with them. I had racist neighbors who just could not get throught their 'master race' heads why I would dare cause them trouble for objecting to them driving across my front yard and doing donuts. Their notions of fairness and right were skewed by their upbringing to think I had no rights. I was a problem neighbor to them, and trouble maker for objecting. If we want their oil and they want revenue in exchange we don't want to pay them, then are they a problem, or are we?
on Mar 17, 2004
What Islamic State is not a problem


Egypt, Turkey, Kazakstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Bahrain, etc. Or if you want older examples, Persia, i.e. Iran before the Shah fell. Yes, Islam has as it's past the "Jihad", and yes, this has colored their belief in the present, but an important note, when the Christians were burning texts in the middle ages, the Muslims were preserving them. Christianity also had its own "Jihads". Yes, the moderate Islamic states are few NOW, but in the past there have been many. What leads to this new extremism? Well, a variety of factors, including the perceived disparity between American wealth and wealth in the Islamic world, also less education, and fewer freedoms. An interesting fact that the leaders of the Extremist Islamic nations have turned this "rage" from themselves, where, especially in the case of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, it belongs. America has made a good scape goat, in fact many of the "moral delinquencies" that Islamic extremists complain about are the exact same ones that Christian Extremists complain about.

Cheers
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