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Understanding money and investment
Published on March 4, 2007 By Draginol In Business

I haven't ever read one of those "get rich" books. But I suspect that any reputable one would have a graph or chart or something that looks something like the above.

The difference between wealthy people and non-wealthy people is the above. Wealthy people build assets, non-wealthy-people don't.  If you're not using your company's 401K plan or investing in your IRA, then you won't ever be wealthy.  If your excuse is "I can't afford to invest" then you are choosing to never be wealthy (or you don't have very strong math skills or both).

What inspired me to write this was that I saw people on JoeUser.com suggesting that wealthy people are just the people who work really hard year after year missing out on a lifetime of experience "life".  I've seen this portrayed on television and in movies as well. "Wealthy people" are really just workaholics who waste their lives greedily trying to get money and missing out on the lives of their children, neglecting their spouses and ultimately regretting not "stopping and smelling the roses".  That is a description of a workaholic but has nothing to do with wealthy people other than the reality that workaholics are more likely to be wealthy.

In reality, wealthy people build assets and let the income from those assets compound year after year.  Let's say, for instance I save $20 a week. That's a pretty trivial amount. If 20 bucks is the difference between you eating or not then it's probably time to re-evaluate your spending priorities.  In 10 years you'll have amassed $16,000. At 20 years it'll be worth over $50,000.

How we normal people can be "wealthy"

So let's work this out in real life.  If you start at the age of 25 saving $20 each week, then by the time you hit 65 you will have $305,000. And that's assuming a return of only 8% each year.  And most investors expect at least a 10% return over long term. The average "diversified stock portfolio" has averaged a 12.9% in the past few decades. So an 8% return would be a pretty conservative return.

Now, imagine if you can manage to save on average $200 per week instead of $20. That's quite a bit for most people I concede. That's around $10,000 per year in investment.  But if you can manage to do that, now you have over $3 million saved up by the time you're 65. 

With the current tax code, you can put in up to $4,000 per year into an IRA and it's tax deductible. Your spouse can do the same thing. That's up to $8,000 per year -- pretty close to the multi-millionaire result (around $2.5 million by the time you retire).

Early retirement for "the rich"

But what if you want to retire "young". Say you want to retire at 45 or 55?  Look at the chart above. What you have to do is build up your assets so that they return as much as annual income as your job does.

For our example, let's say that Bob and Sally are 35 years old. Between the two of them, they have an annual income of $120,000 and decide they want to retire at 55. They've already saved $50,000 between the two of them in IRAs and 401Ks (which is actually not very impressive -- less than $5k per year since they were 21).

When they hit 55, they will have over $1.2 million assuming a decent return.

Some personal thoughts on investment

I've always been a statistics nut. My friends have seen me graph and measure all kinds of weird things. So it wouldn't surprise them that I always saved the maximum into any IRA or 401K.  While I have a successful company today, it wasn't that way for a long while. My average personal yearly income lagged behind that of my friends until a few years ago.  That is, from 1993 (when I incorporated my company) to nearly 2003, my accumulated personal income was less than that of most of my friends.  But despite that, I had always maxed my IRAs, invested as much as I could either in the company or in stocks.

But most people don't invest their income. They go to work, come home and after they've paid their house payment, car payment, grocery bill, etc. They then go out to eat or buy DVDs or some other consumable that they could have invested. And what they don't realize is that it takes a very small amount of investment to generate huge returns over time.

My investments have averaged around 11% since I started investing back in 1994 (not counting my company). Even had I invested just $5,000 per year back then and stayed at that level forever, I'd have millions when I hit 65. 

But most people won't do that. I've talked to friends and acquaintances and it never ceases to amaze me how much money people will piss away eating out (seriously, I've known people who make less than $35k per year who still spend $100 per week eating out each week).  The beauty with investments is that if you are willing to aggressively invest early on, your compounding returns will soon be so much more that you'll be able to "live it up" long before you retire.

Investment isn't about squirreling away your nuts as you toil in a job for the day of retirement. Investment is about building assets. And having those assets generating income in various forms that eventually far exceeds what your job could bring in.  That 21 year old saving $5,000 per year would have $76,000 10 year years. That's $26,000 back. They'd have $250,000 on their 41st birthday (despite only putting in $100,000 -- they'd have gotten more than twice as much back). You could throw one heck of a party or go on some pretty lavish vacations as you neared your 20 year reunion without putting a real dent into your retirement.

So don't squander your chance to be financially independent. Being "wealthy" is just a matter of having some sense of delayed gratification. Max out your IRAs and 401Ks and the rest will tend to itself.


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on Mar 05, 2007

Also, I don't know if you've heard of this....I don't know the technical name of the IRA but my aunt has one that does this.

She has a retirement IRA that she can't/doesn't touch until a certain age..I think it is 65.  She can pass that on to her sons, tax free (in Ohio, I don't know about every state), but they can't touch it till they are 65 (without penalties).  So all the years between her death and their 65th birthday it grows.  And of course they can add to it for their kids as well.

She said it is how they are passing on their wealth to their kids, grand kids, etc.

 

on Mar 05, 2007
Another thing the rich do that others don't?

Wear monocles.

I'm not sure if the monocles are the catalyst to becoming rich or if the wealthy just prefer them, but I have it on good authority (my 9 year old) that monocles are the KEY difference between the rich and the rest of us bums.
on Mar 05, 2007
So if I invest two-thirds of my income - the thousand a month - and wear a monocle, I'll rich just in time for my first hip replacement... Hurrah!

More seriously I get what you're saying about investments. I put $50 away every week into an internet account, although the interest rate's only around 4.5. The advantage is I can take that money out any time I need it. Fortunately I haven't needed to do that yet, but it might work for you Marcie.
on Mar 05, 2007
I put $50 away every week into an internet account


Internet Account?
on Mar 05, 2007

Reply By: KarmaGirl

Learn something new every day!  Thanks

on Mar 05, 2007

More seriously I get what you're saying about investments. I put $50 away every week into an internet account, although the interest rate's only around 4.5. The advantage is I can take that money out any time I need it. Fortunately I haven't needed to do that yet, but it might work for you Marcie.

Well obviously you still have to get the monocle. That's key!

on Mar 05, 2007
One thing I have found to work well for us is every year when I receive my cost of living/merit raise (anywhere from 1.5% to 3%) I take a large portion of that to invest in to my 457b plan (Government 401k type plan) which is automatically deducted form my pay check. Over time its amazing how that amount being deducted grows, and you don't feel the pinch in the wallet either since you had already been living fine without that extra income. The key is to have it auto deducted so I never get my greedy little hands on it for impulse purchases such as PC games
on Mar 06, 2007
I'm 23 and got my first 'real job' out of college last year. My wife and I have < $5k of debts (student loan) and should have that payed off in a couple of months. We're saving in an online savings account (emigrantdirect.com ~ 5.05% APR). We 're contributing the max to our 401k's that will get matched by our employers. I know very little about the 401k money goes and how it's invested. I know what you say in the article is true and it makes me want to open IRAs for my wife and I and to contribute the max to them too...

Is there anything I should know about IRAs (I just learned what they were 20 min ago)? I would appreciate anyone's advice since I'm new to 'having money' and want to be wise with it.

Thanks
on Mar 06, 2007


Marcie--I think I've suggested it before, but you should really check out Suze Orman's book Young, Fabulous and Broke. She does a great job of setting priorities and figuring out what you should be doing and when. Marcie, you should also check out www.ingdirect.com. The interest rate there is around 4.5% right now -- which is close to a CD, but like catco said, you always have access to it.

Mourningwould--you should check Orman's book out too, she talks about the different types of retirement savings plans that are available.
on Mar 06, 2007
shadesofgrey: I'm marking it down as my next book to read. I've read rich dad poor dad which was pretty good but broad.

I'm not spamming but I get over 5% from emigrantdirect.com. Electronic transfers, no min balance and no other limits that I have run into. Worth a look.
on Mar 06, 2007
I'm not spamming but I get over 5% from emigrantdirect.com. Electronic transfers, no min balance and no other limits that I have run into. Worth a look.


It ain't spamming if you're offering solicited information
on Mar 06, 2007

I'm 23 and got my first 'real job' out of college last year. My wife and I have < $5k of debts (student loan) and should have that payed off in a couple of months. We're saving in an online savings account (emigrantdirect.com ~ 5.05% APR). We 're contributing the max to our 401k's that will get matched by our employers. I know very little about the 401k money goes and how it's invested. I know what you say in the article is true and it makes me want to open IRAs for my wife and I and to contribute the max to them too...

Is there anything I should know about IRAs (I just learned what they were 20 min ago)? I would appreciate anyone's advice since I'm new to 'having money' and want to be wise with it.

IRAs are special types of savings that you can write off on taxes. You can put up to $4,000 per person into one. You would probably want to ask your bank how to set one up but they're pretty straight forward. You don't have to put $4,000 in, that's just the maximum.

What makes them different is that they're not taxed and the interest you make on them are not taxed as long as you don't start cashing them in until at least 55 (in most cases). Normally, interest income you have to pay taxes on.

on Mar 06, 2007
What makes them different is that they're not taxed and the interest you make on them are not taxed as long as you don't start cashing them in until at least 55 (in most cases).


I'm not entirely sure that is true. I thought that traditional IRAs were tax deferred, so that when you start withdrawing after you are 59 1/2 (or whatever age it is), you pay taxes on everything, but this is generally beneficial because it is assumed that you will have less "income" when retired than when working.

Additionally, there is a Roth IRA, which you contribute to after tax, and the portion that you contribute can be taken out tax free after you reach a certain age. You still pay taxes on the interest. My understanding is that you can have both a Roth IRA and a traditional IRA, both with $4K caps per year.

With limited acceptions, any withdrawls taken before that certain age are not only taxed, but are also hit with a 10% penalty (which is also paid to the IRS). This penalty is in addition to whatever penalty your bank/account holder has for early withdrawing.
on Mar 07, 2007

I'm not entirely sure that is true. I thought that traditional IRAs were tax deferred, so that when you start withdrawing after you are 59 1/2 (or whatever age it is), you pay taxes on everything, but this is generally beneficial because it is assumed that you will have less "income" when retired than when working.

That is correct.  Still, if you contribute during your high income years, and withdraw during retirement (i.e. no income or minimal), the tax burden is a lot less.

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