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Demographic modeling doesn't look hopeful
Published on May 13, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

The underlying model and algorithms for The Political Machine are pretty good. Ultimately, the model is a mishmash of polling data from dozens of sources combined with demographic data. What, I think makes The Political Machine special is that it makes heavy use of demographic data rather than just looking at polls. What that means, fundamentally, is that at the end of the day, conservatives tend to vote for Republicans and liberals tend to vote for Democrats and once you understand that, it's really a matter of turn out on both sides. There really aren't nearly as many "independents" as are sometimes claimed. Independents tend to be conservative or liberal in their views and as such, they tend, on a macro-scale, to vote one way or the other consistently enough to model with some degree of accuracy.

And that's bad new for Bush. Because barring a miracle, Bush has already lost. Not by much but the issue is electorally.  We've run the simulation countless times in house and we come up with different results:

 

First of all, there really aren't that many toss-up states.  The media has states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Washington State and Oregon as toss-ups. The only possible way they're toss-ups is if Ralph Nader is able to get a significant share of the vote. But even there, people who think Nader is going to get 6% of the vote aren't realizing the infrastructure involved in getting onto the ballots in all the states and maintaining some semblance of momentum.

So who should be Kerry's Vice Presidential pick? If he's smart, he'll pick Richard Gephardt. By bringing him in, he gets Missouri and probably Iowa (our model doesn't yet handle the VP pick effect very well). So write this prediction down so that if we're right we can be oowed and awed appropriately:

Without Gephardt VP choice:

Kerry 279 / Bush 259

With Gephardt VP choice:

Kerry 290 / Bush 248

Now, you say to yourself, how can you be so sure? We're not. We're confident we'll be close but there are a few real toss-ups in which the events between now and election day will matter. Here are the real toss-up states:

  1. Ohio
  2. Missouri
  3. Iowa
  4. West Virginia

Bush has to win all of these to win. Barely.

States that COULD become toss-up states based on events:

  1. New Mexico
  2. Arkansas
  3. Wisconsin

Bill Richardson as a VP pick could shore up NM if something causes it to be a toss-up, but that's unlikely. General Clark could bring Arkansas into play.

Some pollsters have said that some blue states have become "purple".  I'd like to know which ones they think are purple now. I can't think of any blue states that have softened since 2000. Wisconsin? Possibly. But only if Nader becomes a major factor there again. We do think Florida will be much more solid for Bush this time, for what it's worth.

But go ahead and look at the map above, which states do you think Bush will win that we're wrong about?

We'll keep making predictions, after all, what good are computer models for? And you can then check the accuracy after the election to see how well we did.


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on May 13, 2004
"We do think Florida will be much more solid for Bush this time, for what it's worth."

Yeah, he'll buy the election much earlier in the year this time.

-- B
on May 13, 2004
Pennsylvania and West Virginia both go for Bush. Not by much, but they do.
on May 13, 2004
Minnesota has traditionally been a liberal democratic state, but Republicans have done well here recently.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Pennsylvania and West Virginia went red.
on May 13, 2004
PA went for Gore in the last election I believe... failing to pick Ridge as VP was what lost him the state.
on May 13, 2004
Your full of it.
on May 13, 2004
Speaking as independent, and only for myself not for other independents, I want social freedom AND economic freedom. This places me at odds with positions on either side. Typically, conservatives seek economic freedom while restraining social freedoms and liberals are vice versa. In the past, I have voted conservative because I think being economically better off sometimes affords you more social freedom anyway. This election, I am for the first time at a crossroad of whether or not to truly vote on my convictions, or to choose a lesser of two less than desireable candidates.

An interesting chart demonstrating political alignments can be seen here:

http://www.quiz2d.com/quiz/quiz.php?from=lpva

Answer the questions and it will plot you on the chart. I place WAY up at the top center.

VES
on May 13, 2004
I've been reading Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72 by Hunter S. Thompson recently. Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that the two elections are similar, although that argument be easily made. No, the only thing I'm going to say is that elections are some of the craziest fucking madness I've ever read about. It's like an antiquated rollercoaster that just jerks you from side to side and ends with vomiting. The general mood of the masses changes for no particular reason from time to time, and any wrong move can easily send a canidate into the ground. No no, I'm not one for the whole campaign insanity. I think I'm just going to sit back and try to enjoy this nauseating ride.
on May 13, 2004
"I think I'm just going to sit back and try to enjoy this nauseating ride."

Just remember to keep your hands inside the car at all times.

-- B
on May 13, 2004
Here is where I fell...



I'd say that's pretty reasonable as to my political alignment. It says I should join the Libertarian Party...not sure I'm quite ready to do that.

-- B
on May 14, 2004
I understand the point of these things academically but I really think this has to hurt voter turnout and apathy. I mean why vote if the election is already decided. Our last election tells us that every vote counts. I am in a state that is going to be republican so should I even bother to cast my vote for the other party. I'm having a hard time getting behind Kerry but I am not a Bush fan. This is just like all the guys talking over the game before they play it. They always know whats going to happen so why even bother playing the game. There are always surprises and who knows what will happen between now and November. All it takes is a good scandal to tilt the election either direction.
on May 14, 2004
Have you entered historical demographic data and compared your projected outcome with the known actual outcomes? I'd be interesed to know how accurate the technique is.

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As for the quiz recommended by vernmeister2u, I also came out "Libertarian." It encouraged me to join them and run for office. So the 3 people here that have taken it so far all came out Libertarian? Does anybody take this quiz and not come out Libertarian?
on May 14, 2004
The quiz called me a conservative:

You recognize the inefficiency of having the government run the economy. Great!

You also seem to think that the government can do a good improving people's personal habits in some areas. This puts you halfway between the Libertarian and Republican positions.
on May 14, 2004
Frank Newport of the Gallup Organization pointed out that, in Gallup's surveys, no president since World War II has won reelection after falling below 50 percent approval at this point in an election year. "Looking at it in context, Bush is following the trajectory of the three incumbents who ended up losing rather than the trajectory of the five incumbents who won," he said.

How does your model hold up to historical data ? Just cyrious.
on May 14, 2004
The quiz is far too biased towards the libertarian 'government-phobic' viewpoint. I found it somewhat frustrating to take, although I did come down as a social liberal, which is fairly accurate. My position is, as always, that there are many more powerful and less desirable institutions that need to be kept in check: privatized power and utility, big media, health care, moral majoritarianism (?), etc. Because I believe that the government belongs to the people, I do not have a problem with it regulating education, health care, and essential public services.
on May 14, 2004
I fell as a radical liberal. All the way to the left and nearly in the corner. A slight tilt towards liberatarianism, which was kind of wierd. All other tests that I have taken like that put me towards authoritarianism. Seeing as how I'm the "left of communism" (more or less) I found it wierd that it put me away from authoritarian. I am both socially and economically very liberal. I trust the government completely on economic and social issues (not this governement or any that I've seen, but a hypothetical one.) The only thing the government should not legislate is morality and things protected by the Constitution (except gun control).

~Chris
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