The Republican Party is broken

Bush and his ilk have no guiding principles

Published on June 1, 2007 By Draginol In Republican

Peggy Noonan, one of my heroes, has an outstanding column in today's Wallstreet Journal about George W. Bush and how he has torn the Republican party asunder.

It has always amazed me to see Bush haters trying to paint Bush as a "typical" Republican or "typical" conservative. He is neither.

His out of control spending, his preference for loyalty over competency, his incompotent handling of Iraq, his left-of center views on federal education, immigration, and even welfare make him not a Republican or a Democrat but some sort of bizarro President.

It's as if "Bob down the street" somehow got elected President. Bob, who knows little on politics, has little interest in it, gathers about him his Sunday afternoon Football buddies to hang with him and set out policy based on their "gut".

Except I suspect Bob wouldn't be stupid enough to call the base of his support unpatriotic as Bush did yesterday. Only in Bush's world would those who are against lawbreaking considered unpatriotic.

Check out Peggy's column below. It is well worth the read.

Comments (Page 2)

Gideon MacLeish

on Jun 06, 2007

and a lot of those pigs are there because we, the people haven't given a damn in a long time

I thought they are there because "the man" keeps good politicians down.

That's what you argued on MY thread, at least.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Jun 06, 2007

thought they are there because "the man" keeps good politicians down.

That's what you argued on MY thread, at least.

you are really getting to be a petty lil bitter one gid...i said the "commission on presidential debates" keeps 3rd parties out of national politics. but they are a private entity, not the "man" as you suggest. but that's ok, because one of the problems is that people think that the commission is some neutral govt. agency. and i'm happy to correct you on that again.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Jun 06, 2007

if it were an "honest" question..then you wouldn't have insulted me 3 times in the asking.

what is "farktarded" is you and your behavior.

don't like that i like to use an abbreviated form of a word? tough. if you would have asked in a decent manner, i might have told ya why, as there is a reason.

but your continued obsession with everything i write and do is still flattering

CharlesCS

on Jun 06, 2007

Actually you used "commission on presidential debates" as an example. This is what you really said:

it has more to do with the 2 majors shutting out independents and 3rd party candidates. it is most obvious in the presidential debates.the debates are run by "the commission on presidential debates."

If I'm not mistaken you are blamning the 2 majors ("the man" as Gid put it) for keeping them shut out. So really Gid was right.

Draginol

on Jun 06, 2007

Your girl Noonan was pretty high on George back in '04. Hell, most of you were. Now, you're throwing him under the bus because he's "not a conservative." Don't make me laugh, you ain't getting out of this one that easily.
George Bush is a failure because he took all the things the righties love -- money for the rich, blowing up third world countries, smacking around gays, and telling everyone they'd get a gun in ever pot -- and he screwed it up. But not because he's a bad conservative -- nah -- he's the most Republican president you guys have ever elected. Bush is the sum of all that conservatives believe, and living proof of what an unwavering conservative means for any group larger than your local Baptist church.
You guys can't weasel out on Bush now -- you elected him twice. You broke the Republican party, not George Bush. He was just your poster-boy.

You have no excuse for such a stupid comment, Myrander. My dislike of Bush in 2004 was pretty clear even then. Many conservatves were irritated with him in 2004 and by 2005 they were openly hostile which ultimately culminated in the 2006 defeat of Republicans in congress.

"Money for the rich". The government stealing LESS of my earned income is hardly the government giving me money. I can understand how a public servant such as yourself might be easilyl confused by this since your income comes from the government. But the rest of us aren't relying on the "guvment" to take care of us. The federal government confiscated from me more money that I earned this past year than you probably have made in your lifetime and for what?

You clearly have no idea how obnoxious it is to hear some guy who scarcely pays taxes acting like a mild tax cut (which I used to create more jobs) is the government "giving" me money - as if my money is property of the government in the first place.

"blowing up third-world countries". Gee, who was it that sent troops to Bosnia, Haiti, bombed Iraq repeatedly, had the mess in Somalia? That's right, it was Clinton.

During Bush's term we've sent troops to Afghanistan in response to 9/11 and attacked Iraq (like Clinton).

If you think Bush is the "most Repubilcan president" then you really don't know enough of the topic to be discussing this. Ronald Reagan was the most Republican President in recent times (and he was by no means perfect but other than on taxes, Bush has no ideology that I can tell).

Conservatives (who used to be in control the the Republican party) want:

Small government
Low taxes
Secure Borders
More control locally, less federally

Bush has blown all of these. From his massive spending increases in congress (which helped cost the Republicans in 2006) to this ridiculous immigration bill to bloated federal programs like Medicare prescription programs, the ONLY good thing Bush has done is lower taxes slightly (and he didn't fix corporate taxes).

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Jun 06, 2007

Bush has blown all of these. From his massive spending increases in congress...

oh, now congress isn't responsible for it's own appropriations and spending as well? it's all george's fault, since the republican's don't have to defend him in another election. guess the admin. taught the party well in throwin people under the bus once they are no longer politically useful.

CharlesCS

on Jun 06, 2007

Uh, hello? Congress was control by the Reps before and they were in it with Bush so no he is not giving Congress a free ride. Stop nit-picking and put a real argument out for once.

danielost

on Jun 06, 2007

It has always amazed me to see Bush haters trying to paint Bush as a "typical" Republican or "typical" conservative. He is neither.

bush has never claimed to be conservative but a moderate conservative. which means he is a middle of the road kind of guy.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Jun 06, 2007

bush has never claimed to be conservative but a moderate conservative.

no, he made up his own newspeak brand of conservatism,,something that couldn't be defined or analyzed by anyone...compassionate conservatism.

plus, i don't think i've ever heard the term "moderate conservative" used by anyone. i've heard conservative and others call themselves "moderates" but not both.

danielost

on Jun 06, 2007

plus, i don't think i've ever heard the term "moderate conservative" used by anyone. i've heard conservative and others call themselves "moderates" but not both.

doesn't disprove my point in that he doesn't claim t be a conservative

MasonM

on Jun 06, 2007

I think it's hilarious that people still expect our corrupt and crippled political system to work and produce competent candidates.

danielost

on Jun 06, 2007

I think it's hilarious that people still expect our corrupt and crippled political system to work and produce competent candidates

and i find it disturbing that the ones who are supposed be in charge wont do anything to fix it

CharlesCS

on Jun 07, 2007

I think it's hilarious that people still expect our corrupt and crippled political system to work and produce competent candidates.

What I really find funny is that when someone is so loyal to a party that they think only the opposing party is the corrupted one. So far most people who believed in Bush admit he's not what they tthought he was, when it comes to Clinton, he was the victim.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Jun 07, 2007

What I really find funny is that when someone is so loyal to a party that they think only the opposing party is the corrupted one

a point i've been making for years.

but i have also personally known many in public service who were decent people. in fact, most of them have been. unfortunately, one bad apple can ruin the whole bunch.

but if we are vigilant about weeding out the bad apples, real bad apples, not just political enemies, it serves us all well in the long run.

call it corny if ya want, but i still do believe in this great experiment we call America.

bakerstreet

on Jun 07, 2007

"but if we are vigilant about weeding out the bad apples, real bad apples, not just political enemies, it serves us all well in the long run.

I'll be interested to see what you have to say about the host of Democrat "bad apples" that are sitting in office now. As a "Libertarian" I would hope you'd have as much or more ire for the party that made big promises and is currently doing little more than the people you spend all your time whining about...

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