Wow, you guys sure get mad when proven wrong.

I must have missed the part where you proved anything at all. Your unsubstantiated claims are not proof. Especially given your erroneous GDP claims.

And while we can all be impressed with your "big words", we would be even more impressed if you provided evidence for your assertions.

Of course, neither Bakerstreet or myself have written classy things like:

Bake seems to have a penis obession today

I agree, your posts don't have hatred in them. Good for you.  But they are full of ignorance and unfounded conceit with a touch of juvenille behavior.

Again, Brad has posted factual census data showing the diversity in various nations. Dave has said that all that doesn't matter, that you have to go there and rely upon your subjective biases to make uninformed decisions and bludgeon other people with them.

Sounds like the average anti-American grump.

Piss on em, Canada owes the safety of their very back to us.

Cool. At least you're honest about it. Brad claimed that Canada is one of the least multicultural countries; I begged to differ, corrected Brad on his usual bad data, then provided links to support my thesis. Somehow that got twisted into "I hate America" Which is a typical tactic sensitive Americans use when someone points out that they are wrong.

Oderint dum Metuant. ( let them hate, so long as they fear.)

My posts are unhateful, it's the yanks who are so full of piss and vinegar that they can't type an unhateful sentence. Fear? Pfffffft. Count how many lies I've pointed out to these guys in their posts on my blog. When they have to resort to lying, spewing vitriol, off topic rants and the like, it's a good sign that they're losing the debate

Here is a sample package of lies from BakerStreet:

Dave has said that all that doesn't matter, that you have to go there and rely upon your subjective biases to make uninformed decisions and bludgeon other people with them.

So to summarize, Bake claims I said:
1)Stats don't matter. Lie.
2)You must go to Canada *and* rely on your (get this) "subjective biases". That counts as two lies.
3) Once you get to Canada, make uninformed decisions. Lie.
4) You must now bludgeon people with your "uniformed decisions. Lie.

Thirty words in the sentence, and somehow he managed to pack five lies into it. Not too shabby, Bake.

I like how David will claim that he's "proven" us wrong simply because he insists he's correct. No facts. No evidence. Just his insistence.

Most people, when confronted with overwhelming evidence that they're wrong will just concede the point and move on.  But not David.  Then again, most people wouldn't be bold enough to claim that Canada is THE MOST diverse nation on Earth.

 

David: What links to data did you provide? None.

You just made these (incorrect) claims about Canada vs. USA in GDP spending.  You made claims about Canada's diversity with only your opinion to back it up. Heck, you tried to claim something that is extremely subjective to be an objective fact (your claim that Canada is the world's most diverse nation).

 

I guess when you can dictate reality, you can dictate truth. The thing is though, you can only dictate it in your own mind.

You don't offer proof, you offer opinion. You aren't gonna sway people with the kind of biases you've shown today on more than one thread. You want to promote Canada and spotlight the US's shortcomings feel free, but this kind of "Believe me because I tell you to" stuff is childish. Brad went to the trouble, took time out of his day, to present proof to you.

You think he doesn't care what you think? Well, after the kind of obtuse response from you he may not now. You spit in people's faces when you off-handedly reject information they present to you and then just expect them to believe whatever you say because you are morally superior...

Most people, when confronted with overwhelming evidence that they're wrong will just concede the point and move on.

Most people, when repeatedly accused of lying, tend to defend their honour. I've accused you and Baker of lying 'a few' times now, here and in another thread, and you guys just rev up the vitriol machine and spew more angry words and more lies. Honest people generally take great exception to accusations of lying, but not you guys. You just move on the the next batch of lies and angry vitriol. I think that speaks volumes about your character.

And they are lies... because you say they are. Not because you prove anything. Just the iron fisted rule of our Canadian overlords. Pfft. The moment I write antagonistic articles about your internal politics, feel free to lay in to me. As long as you sit in Canada and pretend you are a movie critic with more insight and taste than the people who are actually participating in US poltiics, then you are the ugly one antagonizing people.

All these little glass nations keep throwing stones. Do you think when you try and pose the US as a meddling, holier-than-thou nation it really rings true? Again, go count how many of us write scathing articles about your nation's politcs.

Australia: Caucasian 92%, Asian 7%, aboriginal and other 1%

Here is a newsflash for you Brad....

Within that 92% Caucasian... do you think it is possible at all, to be several different cultures??? just an idea?

You assertion is one of the most ridiculous I have seen to date. I would have expected better from a seasoned blogger such as yourself Brad... then again, if it wasn't for me here, we would have the JU community thinking Australia was this big island country of 92% of the same culture... and your job would have been done... You have dsplayed classic ignorance to the European cultures... Try going to a Melbourne Knights vs Sydney Kings soccer game... Croatians vs Serbians... oh, but they are both from Europe, so they're is no difference in their culture...

Yo paraphrase you Brad.... 'Sheesh'

BAM!!!

All these little glass nations keep throwing stones. Do you think when you try and pose the US as a meddling, holier-than-thou nation it really rings true? Again, go count how many of us write scathing articles about your nation's politcs.

Baker - our politics dont matter to you.

Your politics have an outcome on International affairs across the globe... that is my rationale... You can write a scathing article if you want... but it would be a waste of your time, because no one cares but us Australians... however, everyone cares about America...

BAM!!!

, soccer as cultural heritage.

Sounds more like to me that people got caught making bold statements about RACIAL diversity, and now they are trying to twist it to mean CULTURAL diversity.

Face it, the US is a nation of 290 million people, with people of every culture on earth. I live in Kentucky, probably one of the most whitebread states there is, and we have amazing amounts of cultural diversity. I've known people from every major ethnic group, and many, many from smaller ones. Granted this isn't something you'd know unless you had actually been here, and most overly judgemental freaks around here have no point of reference.

What makes you think that America, the melting pot of the world where for 200 years people flocked from every heritage imaginable, would have less diversity than nations with 20 million people and much, much less history in terms of mass migration.

Perhaps we don't ghettoize our minorities as much as you like? We don't have "Arab town" or "Irish town" here, but then that isn't really the point here, is it? I find it utterly offensive when people say that a nation that has tirelessly accepted immigrents for hundreds of years is somehow suddenly become some sort of Aryan, homogenous, culture crushing monster.

People have become so confident in their America bashing in the last few weeks that they don't even bother to think before they spew their filth.

Sounds more like to me that people got caught making bold statements about RACIAL diversity, and now they are trying to twist it to mean CULTURAL diversity.

Sounds to me like Brad got caught arguing that Canada is "one of the LEAST multicultural nations". Notice how he switched the topic to "Racial Diversity" from "Multiculturalsim" to suit his argument. Typical. I don't think Americans know the definition of multiculturalism. It's more than counting brown faces.

As usual, Bake gets it *exactly* backwards and Brad slithers the argument into his own snakehole (thank you George Bush for the rich imagery) to suit his needs.

I think there's a dynamic to race relations in the US that people who do not live here don't get.

In the US, there tend to be "pockets" where a certain culture dominates. A prime example of this would be Wisconsin and Minnesota, where a predominantly Scandinavian and German culture (and growing Hmong population) tends to dominate the scene. These pockets often comingle in the larger cities, which tend to be more racially diverse.

The city I lived in before I came here was 93% caucasian. I now live in a city that is about 60% caucasian, 35% hispanic. I grew up in a city that was about 60% caucasian, 35% african-american (the last two examples are not exact stats, but they are close). The fact is, all of these communities were statistical anomalies from the general US population. So, the US could well be both the most and least diverse country there is, depending on where you are from.

I am assuming from my limited knowledge of Canada and Australia, that a similar assertion could be made. That notwithstanding, this thread has degenerated far past the point of objectivity and reason.

Muggaz: You make my point for me.  People who relatively homogenous countries start magnifying the piddly cultural differences in their groups.  It's like someone from Great Britain talking about the great diversity between the Irish, Welsh, English, and Scots. Over in the United States, a land of actual significant diversity, such differences are not significant enough for notice.

When you're left talking about how different groups of white people are different, you've lost the battle.  We've got the same diveristy in caucasians as Australia does (probably much more so actually) but we also have millions of people of different racial groups as well. Heck, we have almost as many Asians here as there are people living in Australia.

Bakerstreet: What I am finding more and more amazing is that peopel who like to trash the United States from other countries are largely totally ignorant of their own countries.  I mean, look at David Hubbins up there.  When presented with links from Canadian government sites he closes his eyes and starts shrieking "lies lies lies!"  It's like they're so busy attacking the US that they've never really taken a close look at their own country.

I mean, holy cow, I mentioned muggaz's claim to a friend of mine about Australia being the most diverse country on earth and they couldn't believe it.  Talk about blind nationalism. Australia is usually the example of a racially homogenous society not the other way around. Yea, Australia, cultural melting pot sort of like Sweden and Japan are. And make no mistake, I bet if you find someone from Japan or Sweden they too will get into the intricate differences of different groups there.

Americans are mutts to the nth degree that we don't usaully know what the hell we're made of.  My blond wife, I recently found out, is something like 10% native American along with a half dozen other nationalities.  I myself am another half dozen different nationalities as well.  Heck, the typical African American in the United States is over 20% Caucasian.  Muggaz talks about how different races should mix it up, we've been doing that here in the US for centuries.

Sounds to me like Brad got caught arguing that Canada is "one of the LEAST multicultural nations". Notice how he switched the topic to "Racial Diversity" from "Multiculturalsim" to suit his argument. Typical. I don't think Americans know the definition of multiculturalism. It's more than counting brown faces. As usual, Bake gets it *exactly* backwards and Brad slithers the argument into his own snakehole (thank you George Bush for the rich imagery) to suit his needs.

No David, the reason I moved towards racial diversity is because cultural diversity is too subjective. Racial diversity is a lot easier to prove.  A Britain will argue to death the rich cultural diversity between the Welsh and the Scots.  How does one prove that they are more diverse than say a Hindi Indian and a Pinjabi Indian? But with races, which cultural differences come along for for the ride, there's no wiggle room.

But then again, I am not the one who made the ridiculous claim that Canada is "the most diverse nation in the world" (or Australia for that matter).

BTW, David, you may want to re-read what I wrote:

"Canada: Canada has diversity if you count various types of white people as diversity. http://www.statcan.ca/english/census96/feb17/eo1can.htm"