Moral Bankruptcy in the left?

on Sep 08, 2004

They would have to know that the"really" bad stuff would come out against them

once again, youre characterizing this as kerry accusing ordinary infantry/aircav guys of really bad stuff. that wasnt the case. read the testimony. he's condemning the command for having created a climate in which the horrible seemed normal...situations in which average american kids who were told they were going to be performing a noble mission found themselves killing civilians who happened to be an freefire zones. it's very similar to the situation at abu gharib (as ive said previously) in that the people who are really to blame arent the mps who were poorly trained and overwhelmed. it was the assholes in charge who put them in an insane situation without proper training and encouraged them or looked the other way.

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drmiler

on Sep 08, 2004

And by the way, if it did happen that way he said it did do you "really" think that the vet groups would be going after Kerry? They would have to know that the"really" bad stuff would come out against them. "Plus" you don't hear Sen Kerry refuting their charges now do you? No......he just wants to shut them up. Does that not make you stop and think?

Once again what I was trying to say has been ignored! What he said just didn't happen the way he said it did!

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Gideon MacLeish

on Sep 08, 2004

Gideon you are very correct to a point. At least VP Cheney got his differments "legaly" whereas Ex Pres Clinton did not (draft dodging jerk)! Of course most true Demo's seem to forget that small fact!

Uhh, actually, again, irrelevant. Clinton's and Cheney's reasons for avoiding a war that ended 30 years ago have nothing to do with their present heart condition.

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drmiler

on Sep 08, 2004

Okay your right and I goofed. But in reality this blog is about: Moral Bankruptcy in the left?

And heart conditions just don't fit.

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ShoZan

on Sep 08, 2004

I think from what the news states from papers to internet to TV, that Bill Clinton's condition was do to his high-saturated fat diet.

Anyone know when exactly Cheney developed his heart condition, and here's what I heard on Cheney someone can debunk it if it is not true, but I heard he is not going to run for President in 2008, which is leaving the ticket open for the first time to elect a non-incumbent candidate from both Parties. I think they were talking about McCain, Gulliani, etc.

Gulliani / McCain in 2008 or if an amendment is done, Gulliani / Schwarznegger in 2008, or something to that effect.

once again, youre characterizing this as kerry accusing ordinary infantry/aircav guys of really bad stuff. that wasnt the case. read the testimony. he's condemning the command for having created a climate in which the horrible seemed normal...situations in which average american kids who were told they were going to be performing a noble mission found themselves killing civilians who happened to be an freefire zones. it's very similar to the situation at abu gharib (as ive said previously) in that the people who are really to blame arent the mps who were poorly trained and overwhelmed. it was the assholes in charge who put them in an insane situation without proper training and encouraged them or looked the other way.

If Senator McCain said it was bad that Kerry did that, don't you think he knew what he was talking about, or is being a United State Senator and a Vietnam P.O.W. still not enough for proof?

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Gideon MacLeish

on Sep 08, 2004

if an amendment is done, Gulliani / Schwarznegger in 2008, or something to that effect.

If an amendment is done, I may honestly, seriously look at other countries for options. In making such an amendment, we would not be simply altering the amendments that have been issued since the constitution came about, we would be ripping the very fabric of the constitution and the intent of the founding fathers. We would open the door to a complete and total elimination of ALL of the freedoms provided by the constitution, and that frightens me.

If the GOP doesn't think they can come up with a candidate with equal charisma to Schwarzenneger, perhaps they need to reevaluate their own party.

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ShoZan

on Sep 08, 2004

Hey it was just a joke, I know that is never going to happen, because nobody would like other countries sending in people for President, reason why it was put in the Constitution in the first place, as for equal Charisma to Schwarznegger, who has that, Harrison Ford? Hulk Hogan? Jesse Ventura? Donald Trump? I don't think there are a whole lot of people with the charisma of Schwaznegger in either party.

Realistic ticket would be in 2008:
Gulliani and McCain

Fantasy Ticket (What the hell since we are going fantasy.)
Angelina Jolie and Amy Smart in 2008, with me as an intern,

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drmiler

on Sep 08, 2004

Reply #37 By: ShoZan - 9/8/2004 12:03:50 PM BR>Fantasy Ticket (What the hell since we are going fantasy.)
Angelina Jolie and Amy Smart in 2008, with me as an intern,

Yeah right.....But we all know that could never happen

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Gideon MacLeish

on Sep 08, 2004

shozan,

It would also be the first time in history that a concerted effort was made to assassinate the intern (to gain their position)

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ShoZan

on Sep 08, 2004

Yeah I know, I would never see the light of day in order to protect my hide.

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ShoZan

on Sep 08, 2004

Peace out you groovy chick.

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Daiwa

on Sep 08, 2004

Kerry is only following where the Bush supporters lead.

HAH! This stuff gets good sometimes. Just another example of how stupid the left thinks we are. Let 'em think.

Cheers,
Daiwa

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Deference

on Sep 08, 2004

HAH! This stuff gets good sometimes. Just another example of how stupid the left thinks we are. Let 'em think

Oooh. Dirty pool Daiwa! Calling me part of the left. That snowball had ice in it! I don't know if you've read my other messages in other forums, but one could hardly classify me as a leftist. Simply 'cause I'm part of the ABB crowd doesn't mean I'm no conservative. Back to the point, Kerry has not led an aggressive campaign until just recently, and it is pretty obvious he has lost a lot of ground because he has failed to be on the offensive. Do you not agree?

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Daiwa

on Sep 09, 2004

You're right, Def (pardon the pun) - my precision-detector failed me. Should have been: "...stupid the ABB crowd thinks we are."

But you gotta admit that's kinda funny, though, don't ya? Even coming from you? You really believe GW paved that path, huh?

Cheers,
Daiwa

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Daiwa

on Sep 09, 2004

Looking again at my last reply, I didn't really answer your question, Def.

I guess it depends what you mean by "being on the offensive." All the pundits are saying he was slow to react, yada yada, but what I was hearing out of him was pretty reactive. The perfect response, and probably the only one that had a real chance of salvaging his campaign in my view, would have been to join Bush in condemning all 527's and promptly changing the subject. That would have been a slick move. Now, his idea of going on the offensive appears to be to attack Bush's & Cheney's Viet Nam era service (or lack thereof, depending on your bias), and to repeatedly remind us how evil those attacking him are, just keeping the wound open & digging the hole deeper still. First rule when in a hole is to stop shoveling, but he can't let it go. And his "friends" keep tossing him bigger shovels.

I also think he was running a rather aggressive campaign before the SwiftBoat bruhaha, slamming Bush left & right as hard as he could ever since sewing up the nomination in March. His entire campaign up to the DNC was almost exclusively about how evil & wrong Bush has been (his opinion). I'd like to have a nickel for every time he's uttered the word "wrong."

Kind of ironic, really, that the ABB campaign has been AAB - All About Bush. I think many people find it hard to embrace someone who defines his reason for seeking office wholly in terms of his opponent. I know I do. His one attempt at making an affirmative case for himself was the completely transparent effort to magically transform himself into a military hero and make that the centerpiece of his convention triumph, to paint a picture of himself as the really smart & savvy CIC-in-waiting. Obviously, that hasn't worked out too well, and he seems to have little else to fall back on. I hate polls, but recent ones seem to be telling us that the undecideds are deciding, and starting to move into Bush's column (despite Zell Miller).

Cheers,
Daiwa