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Anti-Bush national guard story may have been based on false documents
Published on September 9, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

(comparison in print out using MS Word and the alleged document from 1973)

CBS's 60 Minutes may have fallen for a hoax yesterday. After airing documents that claimed to show that pressure was put on officers to "sugar coat" Bush's national guard service, blog sites such as Little Green Footballs and this one seem to provide compelling evidence that this was a hoax.

Story developing.


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on Sep 11, 2004

Reply #90 By: sandy2 - 9/11/2004 8:49:34 AM
He declared war which he said he would do with or without the approval of congress. I am not saying the war would have been legal, but he would have done it anyways.


Yes you are correct in that. But you made the statement that he "went" to war "without" congerssional approval" which is false. There's a "world" of difference between would have and did.
on Sep 11, 2004
I'm sure you'll be shocked to learn that the Boston Globe, under the headline "Authenticity Backed on Bush Documents," published an article today parroting the CBC.com defense, offering no proof whatsoever that the documents are genuine, lamely saying only that the documents could have been created with an IBM Selectric Composer. We know that to be untrue from the documentation @ http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/, of course.

And I don't know for sure, but getting a job as a newspaper reporter must be pretty damn easy these days. Here's a quote from the Globe article:

"The controversy over the authenticity of the documents has all but blocked out discussion of their content."

Well, DUH! But even the content doesn't hold up. The intellectual bankruptcy at the Globe is breathtaking.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 11, 2004
Hilarious pic, Draginol. You might wanna contact CBS about that amazing find, as I'm sure it'd meet their criteria quite easily.

It reminds me of that episode of Futurama ("Luck of the Fryish"??) where there's a scene at the beginning of which the text "2000 A.D." is shown on the bottom of the screen. The scene dissolves to another scene with the text "Present Day (ie, The Future)" on the bottom.
on Sep 11, 2004

Thank goodness finger printing isn't as politicized as this. Because very few finger prints match as exactly as the MS Word vs. Memo document.

on Sep 12, 2004
former generals still have weight right?


Kingbee -

I just caught on to what you were getting at (missed it in the blizzard).

However, you are wrong. I can tell you from my personal experience in the Navy from 1978 through late 1980 that retirees are treated with respect and accorded every courtesy appropriate to their service. That's it. Once you're gone, you're gone, especially as regards day-to-day operational matters and personnel, even a general.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 12, 2004
Woah, this is a huge issue here... but I, for one, never watch CBS. Could someone please fill me in on what their episode was about, exactly? I've read what everyone's said, and it sounds pretty damning for CBS, but I'm not sure I entirely understand what they claimed. Could someone please fill me on on what happened? Thanks.
on Sep 12, 2004
MusiKitty, you haven't missed a thing.

Don't let this tweak your interest in watching CBS (Complete BullShit), either.

Follow the link in the article & you'll get a pretty good idea.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 15, 2004
This entire discussion and topic is amazing.

If anyone had read the comments from the secretary who worked for the TNG member in question this is solved all too quickly.

In comments readily avalable today the secretary stated that she found the memo itself questionable. However, she said that she didn't question the content of the memo at all. She actually said that the contents of the memo sounded exactly like things her boss had said.

Should the question really be about the authenticity of the document or the contents of that document?
on Sep 16, 2004
Who wants to bet that CBS's source is "Kitty Kelley"? Why else would they be holding out? The docs are false and more and more experts come out and say so. They don't want to say because they're afraid they'll come off looking like idiots.
on Sep 16, 2004
Should the question really be about the authenticity of the document or the contents of that document?


Well, if you really wanted to be conspiracy minded, creating easily identified forged documents about something that was true and then "leaking" them so your camp ends up with deniability about the content of such documents would seem to be a smart political play. Because if real documents surfaced confriming those facts, well, the credibility of those documents would probably also be in question now. IF such a thing was what happened, it is masterful... but that's probably not what happened. Interesting to contemplate nonetheless.
on Sep 30, 2004
That is likely. However, the documemnts released by DoD earlier ths month confirm Bush did not take required physical, he did not fly after April 1972 and an investigation into why was driected at the time (Sept 29, 1972). That report can not be found??? The other issue about him not attending drills from April to Oct 1972 was also confirmed by HIS RECORDS. Thus the truth of the Bush failure to obey Air Force Regulations is true. How did Bush secure an honorable discharge and an 8 month early release from the Guard given his failute to obey orders? The answer comes from George W. himself. He told his Harvard Prefessor his daddy had a friend fix it.

If you want to learn more about the Bush policies and the election read, "Four More For George W?" See the strong reader comments on www.amazon.com.
on Oct 01, 2004
COL Gene -

There is no eveidence that Bush "failed to obey orders" - that is a bit of wishful fiction that some won't allow to die. The reason he did not fly after April '72 is that he was not qualified in (trained to fly) the aircraft used by the Alabama unit, which is the reason he didn't complete his flight physical - he knew he would have no opportunity to fly again before he left the Guard. He was not AWOL. But enough already. What did or didn't happen 30 years ago is of little concern to most of us. Both candidates have political records over that past 2 decades that are tangible and can be evaluated fairly by the electorate.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 01, 2004
Well, if you really wanted to be conspiracy minded, creating easily identified forged documents about something that was true and then "leaking" them so your camp ends up with deniability about the content of such documents would seem to be a smart political play. Because if real documents surfaced confriming those facts, well, the credibility of those documents would probably also be in question now. IF such a thing was what happened, it is masterful... but that's probably not what happened. Interesting to contemplate nonetheless.


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on Oct 01, 2004
The Col. is just advertising at this point. I wouldn't play into it.
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