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Debate #2
Published on October 5, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

Cheney appears to have decidedly beaten Edwards.  Edwards just appeared a little bit out of his depth. I think Edwards could have stood up well against Bush, but Cheney just looked like a seasoned pro.

I don't think this will have much affect on the polls though as the veeps just don't make that much of a difference.

I think the key sound bites were very much in Cheney's favor -- i.e. the sound bites that will get repeated will show Cheney hammering Edwards and that is where it could make a difference.


Comments (Page 1)
on Oct 05, 2004
Agreed. Cheney was much more precise in his answering and seemed to have a good working knowledge of the topics. Edwards stumbled and seemed to try and throw anything negative sounding he could at the veep. It didn't work.
on Oct 05, 2004
We must have been watching different debates. I doubt that either Edwards or Cheney won. It was far closer to a draw than the Presidential debate. One thing was clear, the Bush administration has not explained the failure in Iraq, how we got into debt or why all the tax cuts have not created jobs for our growing population.

If you want to learn the facts about the past 3 3/4 years under the Bush policies read, "Four More For George W?" Look at what readers are saying about this book by going to www.amazon.com
on Oct 05, 2004
I am totally impressed by Cheney, the guy can remain calm cool and collected, if Bush had just an ounce of what Cheney had, the first debate would have been different. Cheney soundly defeated Edwards no pussyfooting around it here.

- GX
on Oct 05, 2004
I was amazed at how Edwards got hammered on the casualty count thing. It illustrated what many people see as
a liberal fault. Edward's comments were demeaning to the Iraqis and our allies serving there.
on Oct 05, 2004
I agree with COL Gene: I would call this a draw, and honestly, I can't see how this could be seen as a decisive Cheney victory. As an overall feeling: I think this debate was fundamentally less interesting than the first presidential one. Everything tonight was by the numbers, and both candidates were way too on message. No surprises here.
on Oct 05, 2004
You know, my biggest problem was Edwards spending half his time addressing issues from previous questions while ignoring the current question. He did this several times. The moderator even commented once on the fact that Edwards talked about something other than the question at hand. I can't let partisanship get in the way of admitting Cheney easily was the winner here.
on Oct 05, 2004
If Edwards had beaten Cheney you two would be hammering home that fact but now that it turned the other way you are quick to say it was a draw what is the deal with that?

Edward's first debate excuse is bull, after all he did debate when they had all the Democrats debate during the Democratic Primary, or does that not count?

- GX
on Oct 05, 2004
If you want to learn the facts about the past 3 3/4 years under the Bush policies read, "Four More For George W?" Look at what readers are saying about this book by going to www.amazon.com


COL- first of all, quit advertising your book! And second of all, this is about the VP debates, not your biased opinions on the president.

Back to the topic at hand-

I thought that Cheney did amazingly well! I have never seen him debate before, and was pleasantly suprised. He was very calm and collected and his experience showed. He also made Edwards look juvenile and uncommitted (in the senate- never-there senator). The comments on Edwards record, or lack therof, really made me think about his qualifactions to be Vice President of the United States.
on Oct 05, 2004
Reading the consensus of other sites and analysts seem to be the same consensus - Cheney won.  Not as much as Kerry beat Bush but wait till the sound bites start floating.
on Oct 05, 2004
I agree.

You notice that after the first question Edwards didn't smile at the camera again until the final statements.

I also didn't see Chaney smile once, just a cool CEO doing his job.

I've always thought Chaney was the real President and Brush is nothing more then a puppet. But a puppet that is still getting his strings pulled by a smart Cookie is OK with me.

I also think the moderator did a good job on both side.

That's My Two Cents
on Oct 05, 2004
I have to agree Cheney was able to focus on the key points and through that he was able to trump the debate. Edwards was a good speaker he was smooth, but on several ocassions he stumbled. Cheney was able to keep his demenor throughout the debate.
on Oct 05, 2004

Reply #2 By: COL Gene - 10/5/2004 9:54:32 PM
We must have been watching different debates. I doubt that either Edwards or Cheney won. It was far closer to a draw than the Presidential debate. One thing was clear, the Bush administration has not explained the failure in Iraq, how we got into debt or why all the tax cuts have not created jobs for our growing population.

If you want to learn the facts about the past 3 3/4 years under the Bush policies read, "Four More For George W?" Look at what readers are saying about this book by going to www.amazon.com


I don't know what debate you were watching. But it obviously wasn't the same one the rest of the nation was watching! Start looking at the news channels. Every one I've looked at has Cheney winning soundly. And one of the senators(?) watching said the way Cheney beat Edwards reminding him of someone going out behind the woodshed!
on Oct 05, 2004
Draginol:

As of 11:25 EST CNN and MSNBC Polls had Edwards ahead of Cheney by over 70% on each site. Interestingly, I saw it as even because neither man answered one question asked which was very irritating. But still NO admission of any mistakes by the administration...... Guess it will get real cold in Hell before that happens.
on Oct 05, 2004
CrispE turns out the two extreme communities were screwing around with those polls (those two being FR and DU) so those polls are not accurate in the least.

- GX
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on Oct 05, 2004
What are you talking about? Currently after over 400,000 votes, msnbc.com has Edwards winning 69% to 31%. Unless that changes drastically (and I understand the sample may be biased, but it pretty closely matches what the same site said about Kerry v. Bush), most people think that Edwards defeated Cheney and I"d agree.