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I read a news announcement about a new freeware program that does some cool stuff. I check it out and it is vastly superior to an existing freeware program. Yet when I read the comments, the new, superior freeware program is being flamed. Why? Because the guy making it also offers a for-pay version that has more features.

I check out the forums of a game I enjoy playing. Normally people are singing the praises of this game. Now, the forum is full of flaming and angst. Why? Because the developer started offering optional premium content for players if they want.

Let me tell those complainers a truth about life: Money is exchanged for goods and services.

Before the current generation of l33t-speaking complainers became the norm on the net, we had a concept called shareware. Someone would make something cool and offer a version of it to try. This version might time out or it might have fewer features or it might just work on the honor system. If users liked it, they bought it. End of story.

Nowadays, we have it better. People make free stuff and release it. No nags. No missing features when compared to other "free" competitors. No time outs. But the developers will also release an even better version. And the complainers get vocal.

What annoys me is that the whiners are attempting to bully people from making stuff that many people like me want.  I don't live with my mom in her basement. I don't begrudge paying a few dollars to someone who made something I want.  I recognize that I already pay $80 a month for my cell phone and $60 a month for cable so bitching about paying $9 to $20 for something I want is pretty ridiculous. 

And I certainly recognize that the mere existence of premium stuff doesn't hurt me. If I want it, I'll pay for it. If I don't, I won't.

Let me give you two examples:

The program ObjectDock is the best dock out there. We make it so I'm biased but it has far more features than any dock out there. It's also free. You want a cool dock on Windows, this is what you get. But there is also ObjectDock Plus. It's $20 but adds a ton of features like tabbed docks. And so what do people say? They'll say that ObjectDock is "payware" or "crippleware".  Why? Because a non-free improved version exists.

Similarly, I love Team Fortress 2. It is a great game. And you know what? If Valve created a new character I could play as for say $10 I'd buy it in an instant. I want more characters in TF2 to play as. But you know the reaction they'd get. They'd probably get flamed because the parasite-class would argue that they should get that for free because buying something once to them means that the developers are perpetual slaves to them after.

I understand that we all want to keep from getting nickled and dimed but one assumes that we can make our own judgments as to whether something is worth it or not and allow others to make the same judgment.


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on May 05, 2008
How many of the whiners have WoW accounts?
on May 06, 2008
That said, I WANT to be able to keep working on games I like working on without losing money on it.


Like I said; have a go at it. If people kick and scream, they kick and scream. I mean, the applications you describe in your initial post weren't destroyed by online criticism. I'd bet they're even making a decent bit of money off of them.

Though this is true regardless, it counts double online: just because you get hate mail doesn't mean you're doing something wrong. You're doing something wrong when you put out a product and only like 10% of the customers you know would be interested buy it.

WHEN the sky is falling.....is the perfect time to yell "the sky is falling"...


Actually, no; that's probably the least useful time to yell it. Back far enough when it was even remotely preventable, is when it's time to yell it. Once the sky starts to fall, there's not much to be done about it.

The purpose in yelling and screaming is to ensure that it doesn't happen, not to alert people of something that is already in progress and far more difficult to rectify.

How many of the whiners have WoW accounts?


I have an unopened copy of WoW that I bought, then decided that I don't need an addiction (though given my record with MMOs, it'd only last 2-4 months). Does that count?
on May 06, 2008
We talking about for-pay software or global warming now?
on May 06, 2008
Then don't buy it and play or use something else.


If it stops me from having fun with a paid game, wouldnt you call it "hurting me"?


"Unfair"?
Users knew what they were getting when they bought it. Fair and competitive are two different things dependign on your needs.


No they did not if the for pay stuff was added afterwards or noone was telling them about it.
That way one is cheated to pay more or stop playing. a lose-lose situation for the customer.

How many of the whiners have WoW accounts?


Are you trying to be offensive?
on May 06, 2008
If it stops me from having fun with a paid game, wouldnt you call it "hurting me"?


If your relationship with a game is 'hurting' you or not, perhaps it's time to go to the computer game addiction rehab clinic.

It's just a game, people. It's completely unimportant, ephemeral fun. Remember that.
on May 06, 2008

Actually, no; that's probably the least useful time to yell it. Back far enough when it was even remotely preventable, is when it's time to yell it. Once the sky starts to fall, there's not much to be done about it.

Oh, so you mean people should run around screaming "the sky might fall.....or maybe not".

That'll work well...and shows the real value of all of this, doesn't it?

There IS only one time to state "the sky IS falling"...and that is when it actualy IS doing so.  All else is conjecture guesswork and [as used in other similar threads] FUD.

Nostrodamus gets it wrong with monotonous regularity too...premonitions are nothing more than spin-doctored coincidences laced with embellishment and interpretation.

Past performance [good conduct/reputation] is how to prejudge, if you MUST prejudge.  Assuming people will be evil because the option exists for them to be evil is more than cynicism, it's condemnation.

There exists the potential for ALL sorts of crap to happen in ALL walks of life.  If you must pre-empt it all simply because the potential exists then you're in for a pretty neurotic life.  Maybe that's what happened to the dinosaurs....it wasn't a meteor at all....they just woke up one day and thought "shit...there might be a meteor....we're all going to die" ...so they did...

on May 06, 2008
If your relationship with a game is 'hurting' you or not, perhaps it's time to go to the computer game addiction rehab clinic.

It's just a game, people. It's completely unimportant, ephemeral fun. Remember that.


Maybe "hurt" is not the right word, but draginol used it in the topic. But having less fun with any hobby is not something which i like. Especially after having paid for it.

My point is, for pay content may lessen your fun with the original product. And thats why some people try to avoid, or sadly somethimes rant about, such things.

There were enough examples in this thread for this. I dont see any point in continuing any discussion, since I only wanted to give such examples.
on May 06, 2008
If I buy a car with an AM/FM radio in it . . and later the car is offered with AM/FM/8-track is that unfair to me?  I think not.
I got what I paid for at the time of purchase.

In regards to a game . . If I buy a game and it's fun . . and then an update is released I don't "lose" fun.  I may not gain fun if I don't buy it . . but I don't lose anything.
on May 06, 2008
If I buy a car with an AM/FM radio in it . . and later the car is offered with AM/FM/8-track is that unfair to me?


Zu.. WAKE UP.. the 70s are OVER!! thank GOD!

J/K BFF... if you want the 8-track, i think you can get one on ebay!
on May 06, 2008
Oh, I don't think StarDock has done so in the past. But past behavior is ultimately no guarantee of future behavior.


In the case of Stardock, anything that Frog says is the future . Being that they're not publicly traded, they're not slaves to people who want their money but probably never bought a Stardock product in their life, AKA Public Stock Holders.

Not angry. Just busy so fewer fluff words between statements.


I want that on a bumper sticker!

By the way, feel free to ignore us and keep working on the next great project .

Going a tad off topic here, but Frogboy seems to hang out here more than the WinCustomize forums: Could the system requirements detection be added to all of the software? I'm running a 64 bit OS, and some software, such as MyColors will detect it fine, but other software, such as IconPackager give me no warning that it's incompatible with 64 bit Vista.

Actually, maybe that system requirements detection stuff should be moved to Impulse and SDC? A central location may be easier to manage.

In any case, it seems hit and miss as to whether software will correctly recognize if it's compatible with my computer .

But I am glad I bought Object Desktop . I'm more than happy to contribute to a company that makes great products, and I love playing around with skinning and customization.
on May 06, 2008
Are you trying to be offensive?



People bitching about the pay-for-content model are hypoctriical if they subscribe to the pay-to-play model. If that makes me offensive , so be it. You'll still be a hypocrite if what I say is true.
on May 06, 2008
People bitching about the pay-for-content model are hypoctriical if they subscribe to the pay-to-play model.


Well, there is an obvious difference.

MMOs are expensive to run; this is obvious. Therefore, there is some explicit justification for them needing a continuous influx of money. You're not buying the game; you're renting time and space on a server.

Micro-expansions, however, are another matter altogether. You're paying for content directly; you're paying for a programmer/artist/designer's time. So the question of cost vs. content is very important.
on May 06, 2008

Going a tad off topic here, but Frogboy seems to hang out here more than the WinCustomize forums:

Several 'forum sections' cross-post to other SD sites.  In this case this thread is accessible on Wincustomize.com....

on May 06, 2008
I noticed a reference to Oblivion micro-transactions earlier, and how people would be more accepting of microtransactions if Oblivion had handled downloadable content better. Oblivion did have two expansion, Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles. They were good expansions. In the interest of fairness I will admit that I did not buy them myself, as my Oblivion disc had somehow become scratched to the point of unreadability, but I have tried them at a friend's house and read reviews. The expansions offered a better cost to price ratio, as they could actually have a significant amount of content. They were honest about their content, and they could be, because they had substance. The Nights of the Nine did not have a large amount, but it was, hey, here are some quest, it is not a new guild or anything, but this is a couple of hours of new content. The smaller one quest modules were fairly deceptive about their content, whether through the standard assumption that an "expansion" will have at least so much, something that the developers cannot really be faulted for, but still a disadvantage to the average customer, or through lack of advertising or awareness. Expansions are hyped, their features touted, while modules are placed on a menu with a well, you can buy it if you want, or not, mentality. Shivering Isles was advertised with screenshots of unique architecture and hands-on coverage of quests. The Orrery non-specifically promised new quests and abilities. It was one not very interesting ability and one new room which was intended to be in the game in the first place. The average customer does not know of this, and while it is reasonable to expect someone to read a review before purchasing a 40$ game, it is not reasonable to expect someone to do the same for a 5$ purchase, yet if the developer offers a crappy product in one case, they are fairly well protected from bad publicity or lost sales. People were annoyed over the idea of horse armor, but the poor quality of the Orrery is the more ominous business model. It enables shovelware, and even if shovelware does not result, it would be better if those dark gates were never opened.

Leaving your wallet unguarded is not a sign of trust, confidence, or individualism, it is a sign of a fool. A fool soon to become a poor fool.
on May 06, 2008
Maybe that's what happened to the dinosaurs....it wasn't a meteor at all....they just woke up one day and thought "shit...there might be a meteor....we're all going to die" ...so they did...


When you make the UP add-on, can you please make this the description for Xeno Mysticism?
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