Harvard Law, US Senate, wife and children, urban community involvement...those are basic enough.
Are you implying that Barack Obama is an unaccomplished citizen in some respect?

Sounds like a product of that good, old-fashioned American Dream.  Get to the top quick and if you have the means.

Yes, but that's kind of the point. What has Obama produced or brought to the the country? He has accomplished quite a bit in the sense that he has climbed very high up the political job ladder but what Brad is asking is what Obama has actually done utilizing the positions he has reached.

I don't know or else I'd try. I don't think writing an autobiography (neither of which I have read) or doing well in school can really qualify as being an actual contribution. I'm sort of running to get as familiar with the major issues and players for this election as I can. I'm curious to see some of the responses to this.

Getting hired isn't an accomplishment. It's what you do after you're hired that matters.

I may be voting for neither McCain nor Obama come election time.

You've made it clear that you aren't particularly fond of either candidates Brad, but why is it nearly all of your posts are critical of Obama?

And will there be any Demigod updates in the future   I'm missing me some Demigod status updates with all these political posts.

Since when?  I understand your perspective regarding a personal record of achievement after a person obtains a position, but one should also not rank a life of achievements based only on political agenda and progress.  He has been a senator for only a couple of years.  I definitely believe he has had the means to do more in that time period...but let's face it, all of our senators get stuck around the mundain and unimportant all too often.  Perhaps he would post a better record of service in an executive office?  We can only speculate until he gets elected.  Until then, maybe think that on a personal level he has been striving to reach this position believing/knowing that he could and would make his largest impact in the office of President.  Based on the way he speaks and debates his beliefs, that doesn't seem too much of a stretch to think that this is where he has seen himself heading in his life, imo.

It never was.

A position is just a tool to accomplish something. Getting hired means that somebody thinks that you will accomplish something.

From the point of view of someone who is solely after money or titles, getting hired is an "accomplishment" because that was the career goal (for him).

But what Brad is talking about is actual accomplishments, not doing well in the system but doing well WITH the system.

Getting hired is not the goal, it's part of the way.

So back to the question: what has Obama done?

Since almost everyone has been at least once in their life.  So is obama 149,999,990 on that list?

Lets say Obama worked his way up at Microsoft or Google... no board of Directors would put him in charge of either of those Companies when referencing his past record as a basis.

I think the point Brad was trying to make is that we're going to put this man as the CEO of the world's largest corporation... produces the most, spends the most, donates the most, has the largest workforce... IN THE WORLD.

Could Obama run a McDonalds?  Sure.
Could Obama run a Sears?  Quite Probable.
Could Obama run a Fortune 500 Company?  Wouldn't count highly on it.
Could Obama run the worlds LARGEST Company?  I don't think so.

His Experience just does not speak highly.  And since he's gotten into the nasty habit of pointing a finger and saying "poo poo head" at anybody who disagrees, I don't think he's capable of much at all.

Need to throw that turkey back in the oven abit longer.

PS: Getting hired isn't an accomplishment to anybody but yourself.  I know a guy who's been through 3 jobs this year already... that means he got hired 3 times.  Does that make him more accomplished then Obama?

I disagree with McCain's political agenda in too many key areas to support.

Obama, by contrast, has no business being a candidate at all.  I'm more qualified to be President than Obama. Heck, a middle manager is more qualified than Obama.

For a guy who's nearly 50 years old, it's amazing how little he's actually done.

Look again at Kurtin, a defender of Obama's wrote:

So a quarter century ago, he got a law degree. Getting a college degree is not exactly a difficult thing these days.

He's been in the US senate for about 135 work days. What has he done while there? Nothing of note.

He bred. Big deal.

"urban community involvement". What exactly does that mean? He had a job as a community organizer. So what? That's a job. What did he do while there? What accomplishment does he have?

Obama makes Dan Quayle look qualified which is really sad considering how pathetic Quayle was.

As many have pointed out, getting a job is only an accomplishment for those looking for the job. The trick is to do something with the job. And I don't mean simply do the job, but do it the best you can and maybe even exceed expectations. Here's an example:

I currently work in the A/P department (USA Division) for the largest cement company in the US and one of the largest in the world. I have no college degree or any previous accounts payable experience. I didn't get this job because I am Hispanic or because I had connections. I got this job because I convinced my boss that I was capable of handling the work and I provide it to him. But I worked my way up to get here, I didn't start at the top and I am not currntly aiming at the top either because I know I need to be able to prove I can do the job. It took me a year to move up from my mailroom job to here and it will take me even longer to move up from this position. But I am working my but off to prove I can handle a higher position, not because I am Hispanic, not because I have a friend who can get me the job anyways and not because I am desperately cryig and lying to get it. I have taken my current job and exceeded expectations. I did not only do 100% as expected, I took it to the next level and gave 125%. I even believe I am well beyond many of those who were here before me. But I don't look down at them. I look forward to making it to the top position someday (obviously a college education will need to be part of my plan) and I plan on working my way up to it, not tricking people into thinking I should be there.

This is a very interesting response. Let me ask you, would you like to have you work judged based on how your other co-workers do their work? This doesn't sound like a good argument, 2 wrongs don't make a right and those other senators (besides McCain) are not running for President.

Dude, most people work hard to get into higher positions by showing " a better record of service" in the current position they hold. Are you saying that Obama is no accomplishing much because he's waiting to get on the big chair to truly show just how good he "could be"? Wake up buddy, the position of President of the US is not a training program for a higher position.

No, no, no, no. I don't want someone in a position such as "President of the US" where I will be "hoping" he does a good job. Are you crazy? Is this what the mentallity of some people have come to? We don't need someone who we "hope" can get the job done, we need someone who we can "depend on" getting the job done.

I am sorry my friend, but if people wait to have higher positions to truly show what they can do, they will never reach those high positions without some kind of connection or some kind of affirmative action law helping them and that, to me, does not show they are willing to work to earn their positions.

It is my belief that Obama is out to prove something. He will either become the first Black President, the first President with a Muslim name during a time when we have issues with the Muslim world and the first Minority to hold such a high position in the Gov't, or he will prove the US still has major issues with racism against Black, Muslim and Minority people. This is what Obama will truly be known for whether he wins or loses because the Media will see to it that these issues will be embeded in peoples minds after the November elections.

Come on Draginol, even Bart Simpson can point out what Obama has accomplished as a Senator:

Ah gotcha.  I have too many disagreements with both of their stances on certain issues to fullheartedly vote for either at the moment.  Maybe that'll change...but I doubt it.

By the way, is e-mail just a horrible way to get in contact with you Brad?

Yes.

I get thousands of email a day.

The US govt. is not the Worlds largest corporation and when it is run like one we are in big trouble.....Well actually maybe that is part of the reason why it looks like we are in big trouble.

I wouldn't want either McCain or Obama running my company.

The point stands, though. Especially given the deficit in America, there are many difficulties in running the U.S. which aren't shared by running a relatively healthy company (especially smaller ones).