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Don't shoot the messenger
Published on December 23, 2003 By Draginol In Politics

In my earlier article on misjudging the American character, I argued that the world needs to give up this notion of demanding that we become introspective about 9/11. They need to stop trying to get us to ask "Why do they hate us?".  It ain't gonna happen.  Americans, as history has shown, will do whatever it takes to overcome an enemy. Whatever it takes. I pointed out that in 1945 the majority of Americans, according to polls at the time, supported the elimination of the Japanese as a people.  I wasn't arguing that this was a good thing. I merely pointed this out. My argument focused on trying to get people to start looking at things realistically. The Middle East needs to worry more about the "American Street". It needs to stop expecting that the west and the United States in particular, live to a standard of behavior that they themselves seem unable or incapable of living up to. It is the Islamic world that needs to stop its terrorists. Not to help us. But to help themselves. Because if push comes to shove and it's a choice between us and them, we'll choose us in a nanosecond.

The response to my article was predictable. It boiled down to two basic responses: Either the standard "shoot the messenger" response in which I was the bad guy for pointing out these facts or that my article was "proof" of how blood thirsty Americans are.

Both responses show a certain...naiveté about the world and about its history.  Perhaps I should have renamed my article to this: "Americans are humans".  About 60 years ago the Europeans exterminated about 12 million of its own citizens. Of course, ask a European and they'll blame the Germans. Ask a German and they'll blame the Nazi's. Ask a former Nazi and they'll blame the SS. And so on.  But any student of history of World War II will tell you that it was a team effort by many different people across many different European countries.

Meanwhile Russia, China, Japan have also exterminated millions of other people. Not in battle. Just good old fashion mass murder.  Rwanda saw the same thing not that long ago.  In other words, no matter where you go, people have amply demonstrated that large segments of a given population, for reasons we don't understand, can commit genocide of various levels.

But apparently, this fact is lost on some people. You can almost imagine them with their hands over their ears, eyes closed, yelling "La la la! I can't hear you! La la la!". And for these people, they pretend that Americans are somehow magically different. At the same time they say we're a bunch of blood thirsty war mongers, they also fully expect that these same ignorant, blood thirsty, simplistic, gun toting, death penalty loving, CO2 producing Saurons will always show amazing restraint no matter the cause.  Sure, good chunks of the European countries might exterminate huge swaths of their own population based on some racial theory and certainly the Japanese can't help but to think of Koreans as sub-human and those who aren't Islamic really don't deserve to live in the first place, but the Americans must take whatever is dished out to them. Because they deserve it.

But Americans are human. Simply because, thus far, the US has shown a great deal of restraint in its response to 9/11 (and if you don't think it has, you're kidding yourself) doesn't mean that restraint is infinite.  That was what I was trying to get across in my previous article.

It is futile to try to argue that Americans somehow deserved 9/11. It does more harm than good to shrilly yell "Ask yourselves why they hate you!". No matter where in the world you go, people are people. And when one group of humans feels threatened by another group, the response has always been the same - eliminate or subjugate the other group.

The American people are a remarkably tolerant people who are slow to anger. And like other democracies, its system is designed to blunt the rash passions of the majority. But at the end of the day, the Americans are just as human as anyone else.  I suggest those who see the United States as the villain take a fresher perspective.  There are great masses of the Arab Islamic world that are filled with murderous rage against the west and the United States in particular. And some of those people endeavor to get weapons that could do the American people great harm believing that they can somehow win. They can't. Their best case scenario is peaceful co-existence with the west and the United States.  Their worst case scenario is their complete annihilation. Don't pretend it couldn't happen because it's happened before thousands upon thousands of times in history and it'll probably continue to happen thousands of times in the future at various scales.

It is time for those who oppose American policies to become a little more even handed in their thinking. They need to stop treating Islamic Arabs as children and make those countries and those cultures live by the same civilized standard that one expects of the United States and its friends.  And they need to pressure these countries to stop inciting violence against westerners. Because if they don't, at some point they may prove that Americans are just as human as anyone else and do what humans have always done throughout history when they feel threatened.

Don't shoot the messenger.


Comments (Page 3)
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on Jan 11, 2004
Brad, you argue well, but the justification of retalitating 9/11 by attacking Afghanistan is not the same as invading Iraq, which between the lines you really mean.
on Jan 11, 2004

steven - I was answering the other guy who said "you responded to 9/11 by blowing of Afghanistan" which was simply put, an assanine statement for the guy to have made.

I consider Iraq a battle in the war on terror. I have never felt, nor do I think that Iraq was involved in 9/11. I simply think that for the safety of the United States that that entire region needs an overhaul and Iraq place to start going truly on the offensive. Afghanistan had to be done to disrupt Al Queda. Iraq was the first step to trying to enact region wide changes.

Whether it'll be successful or not I don't know. But I do think it was needed and Americans overwhelmingly support what we are doing and that is, ultimately, all that matters.

At the end of the day, the United States is a democracy and its government will carry out the will of the people.

on Jan 11, 2004
DAMN RIGHT, for the imformation of the people here im english so im less involved. Its the Duty of the free west to defend the disadvantaged people of the world Diplomaticly, Economicly, Socaly and if push comes to shove Military intervention we should defend what we call basic freedoms of all peoples around the world look at the US constitution if you want to know what they are which is an item my nation is lacking (and if we get one it WILL never be what it should) so i say Hear Hear to the author of this
on Jan 14, 2004
To all:

Does anyone really know why this country was created in the first place? We are here primarily beause of religious fredom, not freedom from religion, but freedom from the government requiring people to adhere to and support through taxes a state sponsored religion The Anglican Church of England. The people on the Mayflower cam ehere to worship freely as they saw fit. The earliest settlers including many of our founding fathers felt their move to the Americas was no different than the Jews move form Egypt into the Promised Land. The men who came here and created this country from scratch and their vision for it have become disorted by our simplistic views of what and who this nation really is.

We have allowed poeple of all beliefs to come and live here and persue their God given freedoms and rights. Yet it is these people along with many who were born here who complain that we expect people to follow certain rules and ideals. Well I for one believe this to be fact. T
on Jan 14, 2004

Well not just religious freedom. But rather we wanted to create a country in which the people were in charge. Where we were free to live our lives however we wished without the government having the power to "Rule" us.  We would invest what powers we felt the government needed to funtion and nothing more.

The federal government ultimately does what the people of the United States want it to. The war on terror is something that the people of the United States not just want but demand. It's easy to lose sight of that fact when you have people on the left constantly making George W. Bush into some boogeyman. But poll after poll shows overwhelming support for what the US is doing. So don't blame Bush if you're against what is happening in Iraq, blame the American people.

 

on Jan 14, 2004
To all:

Does anyone really know why this country was created in the first place? We are here primarily beause of religious fredom, not freedom from religion, but freedom from the government requiring people to adhere to and support through taxes a state sponsored religion The Anglican Church of England. The people on the Mayflower cam ehere to worship freely as they saw fit. The earliest settlers including many of our founding fathers felt their move to the Americas was no different than the Jews move form Egypt into the Promised Land. The men who came here and created this country from scratch and their vision for it have become disorted by our simplistic views of what and who this nation really is.

We have allowed poeple of all beliefs to come and live here and persue their God given freedoms and rights. Yet it is these people along with many who were born here who complain that we expect people to follow certain rules and ideals. Well I for one believe this to be fact. THIS COUNTRY WAS DEVELOPED AND CREATED USING GODLY PRINCIPLES BY GOD FEARING MEN WHO SAID WE AS A NATION BELIEVE THIS TYPE OF RELIGION TO TRUE, HOWEVER ANYONE CAN WORCHIP ANY WAY THEY PLEASE. They chose this because of their belief which follows biblically that no person can force a religion on you. God himself doens't tell you what you have to beleive He gives you the free will to choose for yourself. God states there are consequences for the wrong choice. The government says there are none.

We as a nation have set unrealistic goals and expectations on our leaders to meet the needs of every single person and their individual ideals in every decision they make. How can that be possible. Raise the taxes on the rich, since they currently pay close to 50%of all the taxes already because i who don't have much am jealous. The government should give health care o me because that is right...where is that in the constitution. And every other insane complaint from the ungrateful people who have been blessed beyond belief to live here. How about that poor Iraqi who lives on $500 a year. And there are plenty more examples of that around the world. Yet there is no one here who lives like that anywhere in this nation.

We worry about unemployment and only 5.6% of us don't have jobs. And most because they won;t take the job they could get they want the job the feel they deserve and don't have to work for. You are all spoiled as I. I complain because ther is nothing on my 150 channels of cable tonight. Others else where are wondering where they might get a meal this month.

We live in the richest most blessed country the earth has ever known, and still there are those out there that complain. It is pretty simple...you want health care like Canada...go live there. Want Socialism and healthcare for all and taxes above 50%... go move to England. Whatever ltype of government and lifestyle you would like to have go find it and move there. The USA is so terrible that there are millions of our citizens leaving to go and find peace and safety in other countries...NOT.

We critcize the government and our president for creating an unbalanced budget yet we as a society borrow in our own personal lives way beyond what we can afford. You are hypocrites.

We worry that the bus isn't running on time and we might be late to the bar to meet our friends and play some pool...meanwhile some child is mourning the loss of his family who was just killed by some terrorist bomber on the bus ride home form work.

People it is time for us as a nation to stand up and stop all this pandering.

Yes you can believe anything you want but don't tell us the faith we as a country was founded on is wrong.

No you don't deserve to be given anything from the government except...the protection for anyone, anywhere that may seek to harn us or any of our neighbors or allies.

Yes most of us agree on 99% of what our government does...so stop whinning about the 1% that will only benefit some small group.

If the politicains that feel bad for all the poor people why don;t they start doling out ther millions to help all the disadvantaged that they claim need the help.

Yes be happy and thankful we have the ability to pay taxes to support a government that is better than anyting else out there...or move to Rawanda and fight for a loaf of bread to feed your family once a month.

Don't threaten us with any harm...we did nothing to hurt any of your people...I challenge anyne to name an instance...other than the indians(we really screwed up there...we are only human) thatwe as a nation prevented a people from expanding or wiped outa group only to further our government.

I could go on and on but enough....I am proud of where I live and am thankful to live where I do. And for those who think everything here is terrible...well there is a company out there that is beggin to help you...DELTA IS READY WHEN YOU ARE!
Take them up on it I'm sure you'll be back.
on Jan 14, 2004
I am an American. I was born in the US., and have traveled all over the world (including the middle east) and have experienced anti-American bias first-hand. When I could actually engage these people in conversation, they could rarely give rational arguments for the way they feel about Americans.
One thought that has popped in several responses here is that 'if America weren't such a big, powerful, wealthy country, nobody would hate them'. (I am condensing and paraphrasing several statements here)
Just because a nation is powerful, or wealthy is not justification to attack them or even to hate them.
Regardless of political and economic issues, there is no justification for the outright attack of civilians.
Any nation who is attacked in such a way has every right to defend or retaliate against attack. Any country, not just the ones you like.
Afghanistan was mentioned several times, but there was no mention that Afghanistan was harboring the people responsible for the 9/11 attack, or that they were given the opportunity to turn over these people for trial. Afghanistan's government made the choice to refuse, even though they were warned that by doing so an attack would be launched. Also, no mention is made of the fact that the majority of the Afghan people were being oppressed by their government. Only 'the poor defenseless Afghan nation'.
As to WWII, remember, the United States remained neutral until directly attacked. That should have been a message to those thinking of attacking again. Any nation will fight back when attacked. The US is viewed as the bad guys because they have the means to do so.
While the arguments against invasion of Iraq will likely go on for years, the bottom line is that after 9/11 American has publicly declared war on any nation which harbors, aids, trains, or supplies terrorists with an agenda of more attacks against American civilians. Iraq had the largest army in the middle east and was, from a military standpoint, the most sensible target because it sends a strong message to other countries who aid terrorists.
I am certainly no advocate of war. I am former military, and lost my own father to war. Nevertheless, wars are sometimes a necessary evil when diplomatic means fail.
Yes, this is the first time America has gone to war in this manner. Yes, there are always going to be those who speak out against it. I, for one, am very thankful that I can speak my mind without fear of being thrown into prison or executed for doing so. Is it right? No, it isn't right that anyone has to be at war with anyone. Is it justified? I believe it is.
My opinion, for what it's worth.
on Jan 14, 2004

Well said Mason.  And that's what I've seen here.  Almost everyone who writes anti-American dribble is hard pressed to actually articulate a good reason for their rants.

You end up with "America invaded Iraq for its oil" and other such nonsense. I suspect that most of these people are unaware that the United States is the world's largest oil producer. Oil, while vital, is simply not valuable enough to actually conquer a country for it.

on Jan 20, 2004
If you look at history, the US most probably approximates Rome around the first or second century CE, or Great Britain in the 19th century, at least in terms of relative power and prestige. A very powerful nation that is both loved and vilified. Yes, we do use our overwhelming power, but not always, and not in every situation. We use it and will continue to use it for the forseeable future to protect what we see as OUR interests whether or not some other nations disagree with us. Every nation, including the US, has always needed to secure some support; but any leader who deferred critical decision making to the accord of other nations or international councils would be derelict in their duties. Those decisions are subject to the scrutiny of the world and many may cry out against their injustice; but it is our right and our duty to defend ourselves in whatever manner WE feel is appropriate. As with all great nations, the power of the US is bound to wane over time. We may reap what we have sown. We cannot see the future. We can only act now as we think necessary. I believe many outside the US don't realize how much debate this issue has caused within the US. Before the Iraq war began, months of political wrangling took place. Congress even acquiesced in the timid manner of the Roman Senate and gave the President the power to conduct a war without carrying out its responsibility of actually declaring a war. Only the hands of time will be the judge of our actions (other than God), and contemporary pundits be damned.
on Jan 20, 2004
Just to correct a few small inaccuracies,

Iraq is not the first war the US entered in this manner. American history is littered with examples of it flexing it's might despite international opposition and condemnation. Everything from Mexico, to Panama, to Grenada. And for the record (before someone looks foolish trying to shoot me down on this), I did support the American invasion of Iraq. I was just not stupid/gullible enough to believe it was about WMD.

Second point: Oil revenues ARE a good enough reason for war. Look at Japan in WW2 for an example. Resources are KEY to an industrialised nation and they will do anything to keep those resouces flowing. America may be the worlds largest oil producer, but have you done the reserves versus usage numbers. America is in big trouble with estimates of it's reserves running out in 15-30 years times. Some oil reserve and production facts ("Decline in world crude reserves is first since '92", by Alan Petzet, Oil and Gas Journal, December 20, 1999.)

Worldwide Reserves and Production by Region:

Asia Pacific:
Reserves - 43,985,239 b/cd
Producing wells - 89,386

Western Europe:
Reserves - 18,610,584 b/cd
Producing wells - 6,448

Eastern Europe:
Reserves - 59,024,435 b/cd
Producing wells - 6,448

Middle East:
Reserves - 675,635,910 b/cd
Producing wells - 11,516

Africa:
Reserves - 74,889,547 b/cd
Producing wells - 8,239

Americas:
Reserves - 143,895,506 b/cd
Producing wells - 664,857

Total World
Reserves - 1,016,041,221 b/cd
Producing wells - 917,815

Less than 15% of the world's oil reserves are in the America's (including south america). American government would be failing it's people if it wasn't looking for ways to control a larger share of the reserves. They're not stupid. They can also do the Math. Oil is a very good reason for war.

Paul.
on Jan 22, 2004
Interesting Article Brad, not very accurate to the argument at hand though and just goes to show the general attitude of the american right.
You say that Americans are not blood thirsty, and in the main I agree completely, however the truth is while the general populace is not the US adminisration is, and far worse than any other so called first world nation today, as for includions of other countries, whether you are correct or not in your assesment, this does not dispute the argument, rather it is meant to justify it. This is not a good thing as it makes the US as bad as the others, and right up there with the so called baddies. I find in most of your arguments Brad , a theme of everyone else is doing so are we so what. Interesting why raise the bar and be the so called leaders of the free world when you can be just another grubby imperialist with little regard for the rhetoric espoused by yur administration. Agorance is always the downfall of many great nations.
on Jan 22, 2004
Oh by the way Brad the rest of us are humans as well.
on Jan 22, 2004
I think what Brad's pointing out is that those who are criticizing America as if it is the only country guilty of such actions are acting like hypocrites. Sure, America does worse than any other country in the world, but it also does better. It might be better if we were a country that did nothing for the world like Switzerland, but maybe we're a double-edged sword that countries take for granted.
on Feb 18, 2004
Islam is not the enemy, nor is America. We are all human, of the same species, and we must get along now before it's too late. Uniting the planet is the only logical way to survive at this point. But before we unite, we must all accept that we are equal, of common fate, and that God was invented by humans. Anybody without the capacity to understand must not be killed, but only enlightened by peaceful means. It is the fault of those before us that we have religious beliefs that shroud our eyes from the truth. Now we must make sense of the errors of the past and move on. The meaning of life is to be alive. We all know that our purpose is existence, survival and reproduction. As humans commonly do, we are making things more complicated than they need to be. If we actually feel "threatened" by our own species, it is definitely time we have a look inside ourselves. I don't think it's humanity that is threatened, but religion. Think about it. There does not need to be talk about killing, or talk about Islam giving in to the west. It is not only Islam that honours a higher power. The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God. God is another man's opinion about the universal question "What is this place, who am I, and why?" If you were educated in America, or Canada, you know that science might not have the answer right now, but it's getting close. Even if there is a God, science could probably figure it out. RPL
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