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Your ideology is not superior
Published on November 19, 2004 By Draginol In Republican

I'm a conservative. I make no bones about it. I have plenty of liberal friends. Most of my "good" political discussions are with my friends who are liberal. I have a friend in New York who I talk to a few times a week and I respect his opinions immensely. He's also very liberal.

There is a basic problem in our country right now, however. I look at the positions my liberal friends take, listen to them, and ultimately decide I don't agree with them. But I respect their right to an opinion.  But all too often, liberals do not have that same respect for conservatives and their opinions. Supporting Bush's policies is not a sign of ignorance, greed, selfishness, or warmongering. In my case, I support Bush's policies because of careful consideration.

I do not agree with Bush on every issue. The deficit being a real issue for me. But overall, I consider him to be on the right side of many issues. I don't expect liberals to agree with me. But I do expect them to show some basic respect for my right to my opinion and not to assume that my opinions are inferior to theirs.

Some of my friends have tried to argue that "Well, both sides have their share of kooks that don't have any respect for the other side." Sure. Both sides have their kooks. But I am not going to accept that there's something even remotely approaching a balance.  The American left's most vocal advocates right now are much more militant than any other group. They have been for the past 4 years. They're hateful, nasty, and intolerant of other points of view.

Look at this website for instance: http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/3/ 

There's 500 pages of pretentious left wingers "apologizing" to the world that we elected Bush.  How arrogant.  There's the whole "Jesus Land" map floating around the net - implying that Kerry lost only because conservatives are a bunch of religious zealots. More arrogance.

Some would argue that since the liberals are the minority right now, that it makes sense for them to be more militant and vocal.  But you'd be hard pressed, even during the Clinton administration, to find evidence vast amounts of hateful, condescending arrogance from the right.

I never assume people who voted for Kerry were "stupid" or "moronic" or "selfish".  I simply feel that they supported Kerry because he was closer in line to their positions on a host of issues.

I think that liberals, by nature, are more arrogant than conservatives. And I'll tell you why: Because through their actions over the past few decades, liberals have demonstrated that they do not trust the democratic process.

Why do I say that? Two reasons:

First - they repeatedly have shown that they think elections are rigged and that's the only reason why they "lose". It's a good thing Kerry did lose Ohio. You know why? Because the monkey business in Wisconsin on election day would have been a bigger deal.  You see, Bush only lost Wisconsin by 11,000 votes. If Bush had won Wisconsin, Ohio wouldn't have mattered. But here's the thing, Democrats slashed all the tires on the Bush campaign's vehicles on election day.  In fact, the Republican HQs in Wisconsin were subject to repeated quasi-terrorist attacks during the final days.  You think that might have affected the Bush "get out the vote" efforts? You bet they did. In a major metro area, get out the vote drives, on election eve and election day generate tens of thousands of votes.  While Kerry supporters try to argue that Ohio was "Barely" for Bush (Bush won by 140,000 votes), the difference in Wisconsin really hits home. If you want to talk about dirty tricks, it was the Democrats who played the dirtiest.  Go ahead and Google it, try to find cases of Democratic operatives being attacked or kept from running their HQs in various states. They are few and far between. 

Here in Livonia Michigan, the big old giant Kerry signs shown proudly on Farmington Rd all the way up to election.  The big Bush signs? About a week before election someone painted "Nazi" on the Bush signs (which caused them to be taken down).  Sure, it's an "isolated" incident but it all adds up.

Second - The other reason I think it's clear that liberals don't trust the electorate has to do with their tactics.  Liberals use the courts to get their way rather than trying to get their way through the democratic process.  I've talked to liberals on-line, in email, and in person over the years and the same thing comes up "You can't count on the average person to do the right thing, that's why you need judges."  No. That's bullshit.  I happen to trust the average person to "do the right thing".

If the people of Hicksville USA want to allow a moment of silence in their classroom, that's fine with me.  If they want to put up a 10 commandments plaque in their class room, that's fine too. Only if something violates the constitution in a way that's unbeatable should judges get in.  The constitution, if you read the whole thing, is pretty clear on the matter - if it's not obviously covered by the constitution, it's left to the people to decide.  In fact, so insistent on that point were the founders that they added the 10th amendment lest there be any confusion. If it's not spelled out in the constitution, then the people have the right to make the law on a local level.

As an agnostic, I don't care about religion. But I do know that having a plaque showing the 10 commandments is not the same as establishing a state religion. At Christmas I put up a Christmas tree. Does that make me a pagan? I also put up a Nativity scene. Oh gosh, I'm so conflicted.

But liberals have shown that they don't trust the will of the people. They use the courts.  You want gay marriage? Fine. Make your case to the people. Don't go judge shopping.

But they don't make their case to the people because liberals, far more so than conservatives, have little (ahem) faith in the wisdom of the common man. Hence, when someone like George W. Bush gets elected, it doesn't occur to most of them that perhaps their views are out of touch with the mainstream. No, they instead argue that the people were somehow tricked. Or that they're just plain "stupid" or that they need to be "enlightened".

Many conservatives, such as myself, are outraged when our views are trivialized like that.  We look at the lives we lead, the accomplishments we've made, the contributions we provide to society and can't help but wonder where the liberal arrogance comes from.  For instance, red counties on average have a much lower crime rate than blue counties. Even counties that have similar populations. Why is that? Republicans tend to make more money. That's not a surprise. But are they Republicans because they're wealthy or are they wealthy because their life philosophy is more conducive to financial success? I believe it's the latter. Who gives more to charity? Which kind of people grow most of the food? Which kind of people create most of the jobs? Which kind of people are the ones to volunteer first to defend their country? Which ones are more likely to stay married? Which ones are more likely to have children in wedlock?

In other words, conservatives have plenty of room to be snobby - if they chose. But there seems to be a greater level of. well decency with the right.  If you're liberal and reading this you're probably outraged at that claim. But I can't conclude anything else. Even the right wing kooks I see on-line rarely get into venomous name calling nearly as easy as left wingers do.  The left still talks about McCarthyism as if it was yesterday. But I probably get called a "Nazi" once a week by some left winger.  I'm sorry but if you think my political beliefs are somehow extreme, you need to re-evaluate your positions. My positions on most issues are, at most, slightly right of center by any sort of objective measurement.

If the American left wants to have any influence in society, they need to get over themselves. They need to recognize that there are other view points that are equally valid to theirs. They need to recognize that diversity isn't just about skin pigment. They need to recognize that tolerance isn't just a catch-phrase. 


Comments (Page 3)
on Nov 20, 2004
Hey, is there a web-site full of people who voted for Bush holding signs saying "Feck off, you Kerry Voters, we're in control now, nyah nyah nyah nyah"... ?
on Nov 20, 2004
Do your homework
An arrogant argument that generally translates to "I am the ultimate judge of sources to trust." I hear the phrase a lot around here.
Point and game.
Pure arrogance

You are welcome to feel that you know who "started" the problems with the 2000 election. (As I remember it, both candidates simultaneously sent armies of lawyers to the Florida, so I'd be skeptical of either side on this one, but that is just me.) However, anyone who feels that
Gore started that NOT Bush! And BTW Gore is a liberal dem.
is such an overwhelming argument as to justify a "point and game" comment really ought to blush, given that the thread is about the need for the other to "get over themselves."

on Nov 20, 2004

Reply #32 By: Don Bemont - 11/20/2004 2:22:36 PM
Do your homework
An arrogant argument that generally translates to "I am the ultimate judge of sources to trust." I hear the phrase a lot around here.
Point and game.
Pure arrogance

You are welcome to feel that you know who "started" the problems with the 2000 election. (As I remember it, both candidates simultaneously sent armies of lawyers to the Florida, so I'd be skeptical of either side on this one, but that is just me.) However, anyone who feels that Gore started that NOT Bush! And BTW Gore is a liberal dem.
is such an overwhelming argument as to justify a "point and game" comment really ought to blush, given that the thread is about the need for the other to "get over themselves."


Okay, I'm arrogant. But do you deny that *Al Gore* started the legal wrangling that went on over Florida in the 2000 election ? BTW the post was not directed at you so why are you getting in the middle? Also I've noticed that you like to throw the word "arrogant" around a lot. Why is that?
on Nov 20, 2004
Hey, is there a web-site full of people who voted for Bush holding signs saying "Feck off, you Kerry Voters, we're in control now, nyah nyah nyah nyah"... ?


Lol...Helix....why would we....we are not as petty or childish like the left.....but if there were a site...I'd be on it....


One further bit of comedy resulting from the 2004 election's......the rise among therapists with a new clinical term for the overwhelming depression the left is feeling because they picked a piss-poor candidate and cant handle that he lost....Post Election Selection Trama....or P.E.S.T. for short....we just cant make shit up like this.... in 92' and 96' elections...I didnt become depressed because I got stuck having clinton as president over Bush sr. and Dole.....I moved on...funny how the left cant deal with a fair vote that they lost....go figure....

Maybe in the 2008 elections the left will try a legal ammendment that each dem vote is considered worth 2 votes to a conservatives one....wonder if they'd be able to win then...
on Nov 20, 2004
we are not as petty or childish like the left.....but if there were a site...I'd be on it....


Did you catch what you just said? You said you're not like that and so you're better, but if there were an opportunity for you to be like that, you'd jump on it . . . surely you didn't mean it that way?
on Nov 20, 2004
http://www.nahnahnabooboo.com





Ok. So its not real. Consider this : what if the person behind the 'im sorry' website is really just collecting a bunch o' pictures of those tools with signs, and is planning some insidious and nefarious action using them. Mwahahaha.
on Nov 20, 2004

Don - my point I thought was plain: That the left is in a glass house when it comes to claiming that they've got a monopoly on intelligence and wisdom.

We're not the ones running around calling Kerry voters "morons". Or making patronizing maps.  My point is that if it was in our nature to be as pompous and arrogant as the vocal left is, we would have a pretty firm factual basis to stand on.

on Nov 20, 2004
The liberal left is a sorry bunch. As I have said before, they had some major sour grapes. They lost, thank God. Just looking at the pictures and the comments is funny but also a stark reminder of why I am happy that side lost.

on Nov 21, 2004
Did you catch what you just said? You said you're not like that and so you're better, but if there were an opportunity for you to be like that, you'd jump on it . . . surely you didn't mean it that way?


lol....yeah...I did fall into that one...chalk it up to 4 years of hearing the left spout the most disrespectful and hate filled rhetoric bout my president...my country...my military....I've talked to quite a few sane Kerry supporters (is that possible) and they brought up that those who voted for Bush shouldnt gloat if we are to try and "mend" fences as it were across the country...I'll tell you the samething I told them...after 4 years of the left's BS with a dash of passe' cold war rhetoric, I'm gonna gloat now...I'm gonna gloat tomarrow...I'm gonna gloat for the next 4 years....so in that sense..maybe I am bit petty....hey I'm only human....OHH! The Humanity....
on Nov 21, 2004
I was just curious. With all this "left vs right" conversation going on I just wanted to see the "balance" of the right wingers to the left..which would lend credit and validity to the left's claim they're the same as the right in respect to zealots.. I'm not finding as much dirt pointing to that. Kinda crappy, really.

I don't care what your political viewpoints are. You could be a big fan of Korea nuking us and that's fine with me, however when you start "mourning" an event that takes place every four years, I will point, laugh, and question your sanity. Then again, people do riot when their basketball team loses a championship. Heh, people scare me.
on Nov 21, 2004
http://yourewelcomeverybody.com/

^Its a real site...
on Nov 21, 2004
Also I've noticed that you like to throw the word "arrogant" around a lot. Why is that?
Only because I saw it as one of Draginol's central points that the left is arrogant in their views, and it seems to be that the label would apply just as much to the right.

on Nov 21, 2004
If you were to look at what the majority of Americans want in social, economic and foreign policy it would not be at either the far right or far left. The problem we are faced with is that the policies that the moderate and left want are ignored by the GOP in power. Thus our nation is not seeing policies- economic, social or foreign -that meet what the majority want. Polls during the election showed that 60 % wanted major changes in the Bush policies in a second term. 80 % wanted some change. If Bush pushes the things he has started to talk about, we will be just as divided in four years as we are today. Passing policies that only meet the desires of about 1/3 of Americans is dead wrong from the right or the left. We need to move toward the center NOW!
on Nov 21, 2004

Reply #43 By: COL Gene - 11/21/2004 1:08:42 PM
If you were to look at what the majority of Americans want in social, economic and foreign policy it would not be at either the far right or far left. The problem we are faced with is that the policies that the moderate and left want are ignored by the GOP in power. Thus our nation is not seeing policies- economic, social or foreign -that meet what the majority want. Polls during the election showed that 60 % wanted major changes in the Bush policies in a second term. 80 % wanted some change. If Bush pushes the things he has started to talk about, we will be just as divided in four years as we are today. Passing policies that only meet the desires of about 1/3 of Americans is dead wrong from the right or the left. We need to move toward the center NOW!



Col you still don't seem to get it do you? Evidently 52% of America liked what they saw. At least well enough to re-elect GW. Cause that's what he ended up with.
on Nov 21, 2004
Here's my take:

The left and right are equally arrogant. But the right has the good sense not to advertise its arrogance.
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