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Frivolous beliefs need the sanction of the makers
Published on September 23, 2009 By Draginol In Politics

My father in law is the most easy going guy you’d ever meet. He’s gentle. Kind. Thoughtful. But don’t mistake those attributes as weakness. He simply picks his battles because in the apocalypse, this is one guy you’d want to have your back. Politics sometimes is like this. People will rail against "the rich" or corporations and assume wrongly think they have leverage when they don't.

This is typically seen with the American left who gleefully hope for higher taxes on corporations and "the rich". The problem is, those two groups tend to be the people who "do stuff". And people who do stuff are the ones in control. This isn't about what's fair or how things should be. I am talking about how things actually are.

I recently got deluged with hate mail because I commented on Facebook that it annoyed me that UPS was boycotting all of Fox News.  I'm not a Fox fan (I get my news online) but as a libertarian/conservative type, I get pretty sick of the "faux news" stuff. Don't like it? Don't watch it. So I said on my FB page that I'd just have us use FedEx instead. Costs the same.  Naturally, people freaked out and started to loudly pronounce their intention to boycott anything we make. 

Their argument is that people should be held accountable for their beliefs.  Okay. I agree with that.

But as they insist that people should be held accountable for their beliefs financially they absolutely rely that I’ll be the bigger man and not hold that attitude when it comes to hiring and firing. 

The same is true on taxes. People love to tax "the rich" and the corporations and yet assume those people and companies won't alter their behavior.  It's like the person who shops on price but thinks "the rich" and the corporations won't move or find ways to avoid punitive taxation.  

At the end of the day, the people who do stuff are the ones who move history forward -- for good or ill. Action always beats belief.

People who do stuff don't tend to sweat what someone believes. They tend to care about their actions and how those actions will actually affect them. 

Like my father-in-law, they have a thick skin. They don’t react easily. But something tells me that people are going to down the path that will ultimately serve as a stark reminder of just how much of the real world is run by "the rich" and corporations.

My advice: Pick your battles. Consider the unintended consequences when taking action.


Comments
on Sep 23, 2009

I hope I'm as lucky as you...

on Sep 24, 2009

Even as they insist that people should be held accountable for their beliefs financially, they absolutely rely that I’ll be the bigger man and not hold that attitude when it comes to hiring and firing.

That's the focal point.

If a liberal refuses to give you money and buy your products, it's civil action and decent and idealistic.

If you refuse to give him money and buy his product (for example by not hiring him), it's an abuse of power and evil and should be illegal.

 

on Sep 24, 2009

In Rand’s book, Atlas Shrugged, Hank Reardon, the objectivist protagonist, finally realizes that moochers and looters ultimately need his sanction to exist because at the end of the day, the people who do stuff and make stuff are the ones who really are in control.

true. Tha's why the current administration wants only the unions to make and do the stuff.

on Sep 24, 2009

Good article Brad, and I for the most part agree. But their seems to be a tipping point in all this. You can only poke a hornets nest for so long until they do get angry. IMO we are starting to see it now. Many conservatives were fine standing on the sidelines as Bush was beat up daily (unfairly at times and well deserved at other times). Perhaps conservatives are less vocal by nature, maybe that's part of what a conservative is. Sure there are some here on JU, but I wouldn't classify that as activism, maybe just blowing off steam.

on Sep 24, 2009

Tha's why the current administration wants only the unions to make and do the stuff.

But unions make nothing but money for there officers (and agendas). Workers make things. I think you might of meant "control" who makes things, Lula.

on Sep 24, 2009

Perhaps conservatives are less vocal by nature

The Tea Party "conservatives" are quite vocal. Perhaps the word we are looking for here is "normal productive people".

The reason Obama has problems passing his healthcare bill is not because "conservatives" are against it but because a majority are against it. That majority is not conservative, they are simply normal productive people.

I keep finding myself on the side of conservatives and Republicans here on JU. But in fact I am not what an American would call a "conservative". I support public healthcare (I am strictly opposed to advertising it as "altruism" though). I am a great fan of certain socialist ideas. I even wrote comments and articles against the very concept of land ownership and happily admit that I admire the (socialist) kibbutz movement in Israel. All these things make me _not a conservative_.

But I do find myself among the group which perhaps are not the conservatives but simply the normal people.

If I were an American citizen I would vote Republican or Democrat depending on the candidate. I liked both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush and admire several right-wing and several left-wing politicians in America and elsewhere. And I dislike radicals of either party. Again, this is (or should be) normal. I am neither a trufer ("911 was an inside job!") nor a nirther ("Obama is not a citizen!").

Normal productive people are less vocal. They do not go to protests, they do not shout. They work. They don't have time to go to protests. And in their free time they do more useful things than go to demonstrations. Normal productive people have families or hobbies to attend to. And very little of their life requires other people to change what they do.

But Normal productive people vote. And this is why election results are so often totally different from what the extremists want. That is why you get protests.

There is a saying in Europe about France. When in France 95% vote for a policy and the government tried to implement it, 5% will protest and violently oppose the new policy and the government will cave in. This has been going on for decades in France. Maybe we'll find it more often in other countries too now.

And democracy will be replaced by shouting.

 

on Sep 24, 2009

Perhaps conservatives are less vocal by nature, maybe that's part of what a conservative is

I wouldn't say it's "by nature".  You don't normally see conservatives organizing huge protests because they are usually considered silly, such as the "anti-war" protests the moonbats put on.

Conservatives have jobs, they have families, and protesting is not a big priority.  The only reason you see it now is become Obama has awoken a sleeping beast.

on Sep 24, 2009

Sorry Draginol, but right wingers actually spend quite a lot of time complaining about the left wing media. To the point that even The Simpsons have done jokes about it. It was through JU that I became aware of just how upset the American Right is about the Left wing bias in the media. In Australia, we're constantly hearing complaints from our conservative party about bias in the media, and one Communications Minister in the last Government even filed a massive complaint against the ABC for its perceived bias. Lefties do get upset about Fox News etc. but I really don't think that either side is any more guilty of it than the other. I think you're seeing things through Right-coloured glasses.

Personally, I've always found left wingers to be much better at laughing at themselves than the Right are at laughing at the Right. I admire a lot of left wing comedians for their self-deprecatory nature, but right wingers just seem to watch left wing satire and make serious comment. Obviously you and I must know some very different Lefties and Tories.

on Sep 24, 2009

Personally, I've always found left wingers to be much better at laughing at themselves than the Right are at laughing at the Right. I admire a lot of left wing comedians for their self-deprecatory nature, but right wingers just seem to watch left wing satire and make serious comment. Obviously you and I must know some very different Lefties and Tories.

What happened when comedians made jokes at Obama's expense?

 

on Sep 24, 2009

But unions make nothing but money for there officers (and agendas). Workers make things. I think you might of meant "control" who makes things, Lula.

Bingo. ...Exactly....It's about power, the control to make the stuff, do the stuff and regulate the stuff.

If left alone, the current administration would unionize everything...literally everything would be under the power of unions...their leaders and workers.

But the sleeping masses are slowly awakening, as we have seen by the "tea parties".

 

 

on Sep 24, 2009

Personally, I've always found left wingers to be much better at laughing at themselves than the Right are at laughing at the Right. I admire a lot of left wing comedians for their self-deprecatory nature, but right wingers just seem to watch left wing satire and make serious comment. Obviously you and I must know some very different Lefties and Tories.

I am not sure if this can be considered a good thing for the Left to laugh at themselves. For a Conservative to laugh at what others say about them is one thing, to laugh about your screw ups is another. This would make me believe the Left does not take things serious and that it's better to joke about their mistakes than admit they were wrong.

on Sep 24, 2009

Sorry Draginol, but right wingers actually spend quite a lot of time complaining about the left wing media. To the point that even The Simpsons have done jokes about it. It was through JU that I became aware of just how upset the American Right is about the Left wing bias in the media. In Australia, we're constantly hearing complaints from our conservative party about bias in the media, and one Communications Minister in the last Government even filed a massive complaint against the ABC for its perceived bias. Lefties do get upset about Fox News etc. but I really don't think that either side is any more guilty of it than the other. I think you're seeing things through Right-coloured glasses.

Personally, I've always found left wingers to be much better at laughing at themselves than the Right are at laughing at the Right. I admire a lot of left wing comedians for their self-deprecatory nature, but right wingers just seem to watch left wing satire and make serious comment. Obviously you and I must know some very different Lefties and Tories.

I'm sorry but I just find this entire comment funny.

Yes, The Daily Show is just a laugh a minute for poking fun at lefties... That John Stewart is just so self deprecating as he spends yet another half hour toasting (wait for it) Fox News.

Seriously, compare the angst about Glenn Beck or Fox News compared to whatever you think the right is complaining about.

I can't go onto freaking video game discussion sites without someone freaking out about "Faux News".  If I go onto Digg I am constantly exposed anti-Fox propaganda.  It's a freaking cable TV station and the left spends an inordinate amount of time whining about it.

 

on Sep 24, 2009

The Tea Party "conservatives" are quite vocal. Perhaps the word we are looking for here is "normal productive people".

I see what your saying, but I believe many are just at the boiling point. A lot of folks are attending these tea parties that would never have done something like this in the past.

The reason Obama has problems passing his healthcare bill is not because "conservatives" are against it but because a majority are against it. That majority is not conservative, they are simply normal productive people.

Here we disagree.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/51551

on Sep 24, 2009

It's ironic, liberals claim to be the "open minded" and "caring" lot, but when conservatives use liberal methods we're told, "you're supposed to be better than that" or "don't lower yourself like that"... but I though the high road and the "better" way was that of liberalism? ;~D