Brad Wardell's views about technology, politics, religion, world affairs, and all sorts of politically incorrect topics.
Published on December 23, 2009 By Draginol In Personal Computing

image

I have to say, I really like what Microsoft has done with Office 2010 so far.  Better across the table.

The Outlook update is much welcome (and much needed).


Comments (Page 2)
2 Pages1 2 
on Dec 24, 2009

GW Swicord
Keep in mind that these are random grumbles and not a methodical critique--

Top keyboard grudge in ribbon-land is that the UI no longer helps you learn keyboard paths. Until this change, you could tell any Office app to put underscores on menu commands so you know how to hit them with the keyboard. Some unknown but large chunk of my former speed was not that I remembered exactly how to get to some less-used feature or even how to do a complicated thing regularly without looking at the screen.

Right close behind that is the loss of customization. I don't have the volume of same-type documents pass through my hands that I did back when Office XP was in beta, but I still get piles of things with repetitive task requirements that I could push through more quickly if I could just build a little toolbar and give it the keyboard commands I wanted.

Being able to customize 'properly' would also be a big help for me in the general process of copy editing, which often includes cleaning up great piles of paste-dung left behind by folks who have no idea what the Paste Options button is for. Previously, I could use the Standard toolbar to keep an eye on the style and font info without having to mouse around for that ghostly minitoolbar. When I started stepping through tracks or comments, I could float the Reviewing toolbar and leave it where I wanted to have it, minimizing my need to move the pointer around.

Heh. Touch typing can get out of hand quickly. But you asked...

It's useful feedback, so don't feel bad for writing walls of text Some things about your post:

- About the keyboard paths, I don't have Office 2007 right now, but in 2010 that exists too (you press Alt and you get all the keys for the shortcuts).

- And about the customization and toolbars, there are tools for that too: http://word.mvps.org/FAQS/Customization/CustomizeRibbon.htm

Hope it helps!

on Dec 25, 2009

I agree that Excel might be useful for certain tasks, though in my experience I only used it for Physics experiments.

But as for Word and Powerpoint, the only other Office programs I have ever properly used (ignoring Outlook), I can see why normal users use them, but don't see the reasons for fairly frequent occurrence in non-scientific technical documents, where it competes with LaTeX.

Although I am a CompSci, I am very much the kind of person who appreciates Windows-like GUI and who doesn't like the standard "get your collection of random flags" UNIX way of controlling a machine. And still, I find LaTeX by far the easiest thing to use after some investment of time, especially as, in conjunction with templates, I need to remember roughly 3 commands in order to get superbly formatted documents while writing just what I mean.

on Dec 26, 2009

Re: Loss of customization with the ribbon:  You can customize the ribbon in Office 2010, just check the Options dialog

on Dec 26, 2009

PurrBall
Re: Loss of customization with the ribbon:  You can customize the ribbon in Office 2010, just check the Options dialog

True true

on Dec 26, 2009

PurrBall
Re: Loss of customization with the ribbon:  You can customize the ribbon in Office 2010, just check the Options dialog

Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like you're confusing the Quick Access clutter on the title bar with the ribbon; it's a handy workaround for a few basic things (you can 9 or ten ALT+A_Number hotkeys that way), but not what I really need. And I guess I should admit I know about and have puttered with the Developer ribbon, but the problem is that the 'customization' options I can find are simply more of the same too-helpful ribbon worldview and not a way to properly take control of a specialized doc-work context.

on Dec 27, 2009

No, the ribbon is now customizable in addition to the quick access area.

on Dec 27, 2009

First preview of Brad's new book.

on Dec 27, 2009

I have 2007 and am testing 2010 on another machine, I have never been a big fan of the ribbon. I have an after market Item that give me the old memu bar it works in 2007 and 2010. I like the new outlook. it sends the mail to the different users. Each user has his or her own in box and that alone is woth the change to me to at lest have OUTLOOK 2010

on Dec 28, 2009

PurrBall
No, the ribbon is now customizable in addition to the quick access area.

That sounds encouraging in plain English. Can you float ribbons and dock them on the sides and bottom of windows in 2010.

Edit: After a much-needed-scrap-of-a-day being able to bill for time spend in Word, I might have learned how to decently describe the heart of my frustration over the radical ribbon revolution, and it might not be entirely about the ribbon after all. To me, it seems like the Word UI has basically given up on a text-centered approach to writing and editing (tragically illogical as that might sound). I understand that some chunks of text might be intended for final delivery via a PC-related rig that's far better than what I have to work with. But why the fuck did Normal view have to go away? I understand that most of the audience for the products my patrons commission are using really new rigs with nice big landscape/letterbox displays. But why eliminate Word's former ability to let production folks focus exclusively on content and structure at the raw text and outline level?

on Dec 28, 2009

GW Swicord
That sounds encouraging in plain English. Can you float ribbons and dock them on the sides and bottom of windows in 2010.

You can't right now (and I personally doubt it will be added).

GW Swicord
Edit: After a much-needed-scrap-of-a-day being able to bill for time spend in Word, I might have learned how to decently describe the heart of my frustration over the radical ribbon revolution, and it might not be entirely about the ribbon after all. To me, it seems like the Word UI has basically given up on a text-centered approach to writing and editing (tragically illogical as that might sound). I understand that some chunks of text might be intended for final delivery via a PC-related rig that's far better than what I have to work with. But why the fuck did Normal view have to go away? I understand that most of the audience for the products my patrons commission are using really new rigs with nice big landscape/letterbox displays. But why eliminate Word's former ability to let production folks focus exclusively on content and structure at the raw text and outline level?

I'm not a poweruser, so maybe I say a nonsense, but there seem to be several views in Word (print, reading, web, outline and draft), aren't those the ones you are referring to?

on Jan 19, 2010

For the people having problems to learn the Office UI, Office Labs have released "Ribbon Hero", a game to learn how to use the Ribbon UI:

http://lostgarden.com/2010/01/ribbon-hero-turns-learning-office-into.html

Very interesting post for people who work on UI and usability

on Jan 19, 2010

... I'm not a poweruser, so maybe I say a nonsense, but there seem to be several views in Word (print, reading, web, outline and draft), aren't those the ones you are referring to?

Nope, Normal view is gone. It was the default view for 11 versions of Word, but now the default is Print Layout. The new Draft view is almost as good as Normal was, but it's odd-feeling and I have to do so much twiddling of headers and footers these days that I hardly ever use it.

...Very interesting post for people who work on UI and usability

It's encouraging to see a UI designer scoff the "Don't make me think" line, and a training toy might be a good idea for many folks.

2 Pages1 2