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Published on February 13, 2010 By Draginol In Politics

During my daily journey to Digg to see what’s cool and new I usually fail the temptation test of reading the comments on some of the political  articles.

For example:

http://m.digg.com/political_opinion/George_Will_Progressives_and_the_growing_dependency_agenda

The most dugg comment (indicating that the Digg community found this comment to be insightful):

Thanks for that myopic right wing rant-o-rama, George. Just because you have the money to afford private schools for your kids, doesn't mean you don't have to help support public schools. Yes, I read the article, he's misrepresenting the nature of the DC program. The same with health care. Nobody is stopping you from paying for a private room and your own personal doctor if you have the money, but you still have to help provide care to everyone else. Just because we have social services doesn't make us socialist. Most of you don't run your own electric company, water or sewer company, but most of you don't have a choice where you get those services, either. You take what the electric company offers at the price they set. Sometimes as a society we find it's easier to band together for collective services. Water, electric, education, health care, police protection, courts, fire services. And, yes, the list keeps growing because our society keeps changing. Most of you depend on collective water and electric but you have the option of turning it off and going solar if you find it impinges that much on your freedom. After 9/11 we decided to make airport security a collective service, maybe that wasn't such a winner but we know the alternative doesn't work. If you have the money to fly private, you can avoid all that inconvenience. All this teabagger blather is just nonsense.

The world Socialist or Socialism isn’t an insult. It is a specific concept with a specific meaning: The believe that society’s resources should be distributed by the government.

Let’s take a look at this genius’s comment in detail now:

“Just because you have the money to afford private schools for your kids, doesn't mean you don't have to help support public schools”

Don’t have to? In a completely free society, you would not be forced to pay for services that you do not use.  Now, I don’t happen to support a completely free society. I support a certain level of socialism because I do believe that individuals do owe an inherent debt to society. But I’m not going to say that something has to be a certain way.  There’s no particular reason why the government must pay for schools – particularly the federal government.

“The same with health care. Nobody is stopping you from paying for a private room and your own personal doctor if you have the money, but you still have to help provide care to everyone else. Just because we have social services doesn't make us socialist

Um, yea it does actually. By definition. If you are forcing other people to “help provide care to everyone else” you are executing a socialist policy.

That is the core part of socialism – forcing people to pay for other people.

He doesn’t even recognize the distinction himself when he writes:

“Most of you depend on collective water and electric but you have the option of turning it off and going solar if you find it impinges that much on your freedom”

Yes, and we don’t “still have to help provide” electricity and water to other people. They pay for what they use. If a citizen goes solar then they don’t have to pay for electricity.

By contrast, as the guy originally grasps but then forgets later in his own comment, if you send your child to private school or buy private health care you still are stuck having to pay for other people’s healthcare.  That’s socialism.

When tax time hits, I’m always pained to know that guys like this will be mindlessly voting for policies they clearly don’t understand.


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on Feb 16, 2010

The exact individuals targeted for government dependency change, the malicious sabotage of children does not

Tal it's all about the endgame not who gets caught in the middle. The lack of media coverage just serves to aid and abet. Before it is all said and done there will be plenty more sabotage to go around, not just the kid's of DC. There are the small businesses and even the middle class. Remember this BO statement, "If you make under $250,000.00 you taxes won't go up one dime". It seems that is now on the table.

on Feb 16, 2010

That's the same people who then excuse barbaric rituals and violence against women as parts of a "culture" that we have to respect because all cultures are equal.

Point... I guess it is about race... Are you a white male who condones violence against women? RACIST! Are you an "ethnic" male who condones violence against women? well I guess we have to accept your cultural differences.

on Feb 16, 2010

well I guess we have to accept your cultural differences.

Talk about walking a fine line. In some cultures 12 to 15 is an acceptable age for girls to marry and the male does not necessarily have to be 12 to 15. Yet here in the US even an underage boy (or girl) can go to jail for having sex with anyone under 18. Some Muslim cultures deny women the same rights as men. The truth is we can not always expect everyone to have the same values or views as we do. how do we know with 100% certainty that our values and views are the right one? Now, you live in the US and your cultural views go out the window cause you going to jail if you marry or have sex with a minor. Too bad in my opinion.

on Feb 16, 2010

Yet here in the US even an underage boy (or girl) can go to jail for having sex with anyone under 18.

I think you got that mix up Chuck. Over 18 having sex with a minor, that's statutory rape, even if the junior partner consents. The laws are a bit different when both are under 18 (varies between states). Half the underage youth would be in jail if that were the case.

on Feb 16, 2010

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Uh, yes, that IS socialism

Thanks for the article.

Audiafox posts: [quote]Socialism is misunderstood as pointed out by Brad in the OP.

I agree. That goes to the need to discuss "Socialism" as the term has been applied to a wide range of political and economic doctrines over the past century. For example, just last night on Fox, Hannity said the word, "Socialism" and one of his guests, a Democrat strategist, (can't think of his name) quickly denied it.

Socialism is a movement ( a reconstruction of society) that has variants...secular, materialistic, and the atheist Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist development of Socialism called Communism.

Socialism first rose with people who disagreed first with the bourgeios and later with the capitalist way of thinking. In order to obtain social and economic equality, they advocated the widest possible spread of private property, and the means of production, capital, land, raw materials and factories, should be owned and controlled by society, either directly or through the government. They believed wealth could be distributed equally among all citizens.

Here Socialism is defined as the attempt to reconstruct society on the basis of the common ownership of the means of production. The argument was that if all had equal property and power, then nobody could exploit or oppress his neighbor.  John Locke (1600-1700s) taught this equilibrium would guarantee freedom, equality and social harmony.

This was before the Industrial Revolution when production was concentrated on large scale factories and the bourgeoise was split into 2 classes...the onwers and the workers.      

 

 

   

on Feb 16, 2010

Talk about walking a fine line. In some cultures 12 to 15 is an acceptable age for girls to marry and the male does not necessarily have to be 12 to 15. Yet here in the US even an underage boy (or girl) can go to jail for having sex with anyone under 18. Some Muslim cultures deny women the same rights as men. The truth is we can not always expect everyone to have the same values or views as we do. how do we know with 100% certainty that our values and views are the right one? Now, you live in the US and your cultural views go out the window cause you going to jail if you marry or have sex with a minor. Too bad in my opinion.

According to sharia law, if a man rapes a woman, her owner (father or husband) may execute her for "infidelity". Age of consent is not really the issue here.

I think you got that mix up Chuck. Over 18 having sex with a minor, that's statutory rape, even if the junior partner consents. The laws are a bit different when both are under 18 (varies between states). Half the underage youth would be in jail if that were the case.

Not true. there are tons of cases when underage individuals had sex and were put on trial and even convicted. The most extreme cast is two 12 year olds who had sex. Both are currently being tried for satutory rape. The judge had to write how one can be both the victim and the perpetuator of the same crime. He used dueling as an example, in a duel, two men walk 10 steps, turn, and shoot at each other. They are each both the victim and the perp of the crime. Likewise for the two 12 year olds.

Other examples are abound. I had a website that made a list of such cases, but I can't find it at the moment.

on Feb 17, 2010

Not true. there are tons of cases when underage individuals had sex and were put on trial and even convicted.

I guess I and most people I know are fugitives of justice then!

But seriously, here is what I found:

"The term "Age of Consent" is a term not found in many state statutes, but rather reflects an absence of prohibition. As used on this website, the "Age of Consent" reflects the age at which a person can no longer be a victim of statutory rape; or, the age at which a person may legally consent to most types of sexual activity with another person. This age varies from 14-18 in all states in the USA with over half the states adopting the age of “16” as the legal age of consent."

This site seems a good resource for concerned parents  http://www.sexlaws.org/ .

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