Brad Wardell's views about technology, politics, religion, world affairs, and all sorts of politically incorrect topics.
Published on March 22, 2010 By Draginol In Politics

People tend to project their hopes and dreams onto things based on their name.

They hear “health care reform” and they see their ideological allies supporting it and they assume it does all kinds of magical things.

For those of you glad that the bill passed, be aware that what was passed resembles nothing like what is in Europe or Canada. 

Here’s what it does (you can read the details at CBS News):

1. It “provides” insurance to 30 million Americans. How does it do this? They made it illegal not to buy insurance. Voila.  Seriously. That’s how they did it. If you don’t, you’re fined $695 annually.

2. They make it illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. So the person with basic math skills who figures out that $695 annually is a lot less than $6,000 annually ($500 X 12 months) can wait until they get pregnant, diagnosed with diabetes or gets into an accident and THEN buy insurance.  Thus the cost will go far up.

3. They provide subsidies to make insurance cheaper. In theory.  Since the insurance companies are barely regulated monopolies per state who now know they everyone has to buy insurance, they can raise rates (this is what happened with car insurance when it became mandatory).

The right-wingers are going crazy about it because it socializes health-care.  The left-wingers are currently happy because they don’t realize just how much they got screwed. If/when this program starts to get implemented, I think they’ll start to realize how badly they got screwed.

People on the Internet who are from overseas tend to have no real understanding of America’s healthcare system. They don’t realize that the poor already get medical coverage for free (Medicaid) and that the elderly already get medical coverage (Medicare). 

So in effect, all this bill really does is make it illegal to not have insurance. 

Maybe they should use the same system to eliminate poverty. Just make it illegal to be poor.


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on Apr 01, 2010

Mumblefratz

It's up to you on how you want to comport yourself but I can say that everytime I see someone use the term "teabagger" when they know the connotations of it, it makes me lose a little respect for the person using the term.Of that I have no doubt.
But when the equivalent is said in the other direction not a word gets spoke.
But then I'm sure you see no evidence of the double standard that exists in pretty much every thread on this site.
Well just because you won't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Still, by using derogatory terms to describe people who disagree with you, you close off rational discussion, add heat without adding light, and give ammunition to those opposite you who can point out that if you had a better argument to make you wouldn't resort to ad hominems. IMHO, people deserve respect and courtesy as human beings, regardless of how mistaken their opinions might be (or appear to be). I've read some of your postings in other threads here and you seem smart and well-informed to me. But you'll never cut through with arguments if you present them in a mixture with personal attacks, because the arguments will be ignored in favour of retaliating to the personal attacks with further personal attacks. Ultimately, politeness in discussion (or argument) is to your own benefit; regardless of whether your interlocutors choose to take advantage of it, you should.

on Apr 01, 2010


Calling people "Teabaggers" really makes you come across as pretty uncivil Mumble.  Is this the perception you want to express to others?

I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?

on Apr 01, 2010

I'd be interested to know what term 'said in the other direction' you consider to be the equivalent.
None that I've noticed specifically in this thread but I'm talking about the site not the specific thread.

Nor am I really interested in mining the multitude of threads on this forum whose sole intent is the denigration of the left for a suitable example. Not because no such example exists because there are countless such examples but because of the double standard there is no way I could possibly win any such argument because the judge, jury and gallery in this case are the very folks exhibiting the double standard in the first place.

I've seen it so many times. A comment from the left is obnoxious whereas the similar comment from the right is merely funny or if it really does go too far then it was just kidding and it's my own fault for being so thin skinned.

Given that you're convinced that you're the epitome of tolerance you simply can't see what's so obvious to the other side and that is that every single criticism that you apply to the left is something that you pretty much all exhibit on a regular basis.

You sit there pontificating about the other side where every word out of your mouth applies directly to yourself. It's the old syndrome that whenever you point a finger at someone else you have three fingers pointing back at you. And the funniest part is you can't even see it.

on Apr 01, 2010

I guess if you say so.

on Apr 02, 2010

I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?

The environmentalist Web site he was referring to and is participating on is called "Treehugger.com". The "Treehuggers" he referred to were the members of that site. (I assume that's why he used an upper-case "T".)

 

on Apr 02, 2010

Leauki




I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?





The environmentalist Web site he was referring to and is participating on is called "Treehugger.com". The "Treehuggers" he referred to were the members of that site. (I assume that's why he used an upper-case "T".)

 

Yeah many environmentalists call themselves "treehuggers", so I would believe that mitigates anything derogatory. Also, the name in and of itself does not mean what some may consider a "vulgar" act.

on Apr 02, 2010


But when the equivalent is said in the other direction not a word gets spoke.
I'd be interested to know what term 'said in the other direction' you consider to be the equivalent.

Ditto.

Mumblefratz
None that I've noticed specifically in this thread but I'm talking about the site not the specific thread.
Nor am I really interested in mining the multitude of threads on this forum whose sole intent is the denigration of the left for a suitable example. Not because no such example exists because there are countless such examples but because of the double standard there is no way I could possibly win any such argument because the judge, jury and gallery in this case are the very folks exhibiting the double standard in the first place.

OIC!  So you just made an assinine statement, without any hint of evidence, or proof, and then expect everyone to take you at your word.  because you would never lie, right?  regardless of the dozen lies you have told around the forums already, right?

So for the left, it is not the evidence that is important, just the charges.  Way to go MF!  Your level of incompetance is rapidly approaching your level of irrelevance.  This is not the MSM, so while I am sure you think you can get away with stupid statements not supported by facts, the reality is you just got busted.

on Apr 02, 2010




I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?

The environmentalist Web site he was referring to and is participating on is called "Treehugger.com". The "Treehuggers" he referred to were the members of that site. (I assume that's why he used an upper-case "T".)
 

 

Ah, good point. I withdraw my comment.

on Apr 02, 2010

Ah, good point. I withdraw my comment
You do realize that you have to lie down before you can be a doormat?

 

on Apr 02, 2010

regardless of the dozen lies you have told around the forums already, right?
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

on Apr 02, 2010

Mumblefratz

regardless of the dozen lies you have told around the forums already, right?Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Ah, the loaded question now!  So what other slanders and lies are you going to tell?  Backed up by only your worthless word no doubt.

But I have to ask, did a brain come with the deal you made to sell your ethics?

BTW:  You still have produced no evidence of your false and libelous allegations.  We are waiting for you to weasel some more.

on Apr 02, 2010

The superior are not required to justify themselves to the inferior, Dr. Guy.  Just ask the superior.

on Apr 02, 2010

Ah, the loaded question now!
Because that's the only question you ask me.

Look at your reply #142 and every word you said could easily apply to yourself.

The only difference between us is that my feelings of self worth are not all tied into a forum presence of the "great and all-powerful Oz" whereas that's *all* you are is a puffed up buffoon of a caricature of a person.

But I tire of you and since I know how insistent you are about having the last word feel free to rant on unopposed for as long as you wish. It is the only argument you can win (i.e. the unopposed argument), and we all know how important winning on the internet is to you.

on Apr 02, 2010

See what I mean?

on Apr 02, 2010

I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers".

As others pointed out, the site in question is called TreeHugger.com.  We (the community on that site) refer to ourselves as Treehuggers.

Getting back to Mumble, if you can refer me to posts on our forums where users are referring to other people as scrotum suckers (tea baggers) feel free to let me know.

 

 

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