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imageAugust 24th…HURRY UP!

First off, we’re so ready to not be dealing with the beta content. If I have to deal with “You got Gildar!” one more time I’m going to scream. If I go into a tactical battle able to cast a half dozen spells per turn with a single unit I think I’ll curl up. Dealing with the UI as it is in beta 4 makes me cringe.

But it’s more than that. A lot more than that.

What is Elemental? What can you expect? How can you explain it to other people?

I’ve been bedeviled with this issue for months when marketing wants me to explain what Elemental is.

Consider this, my friends: How often do you see new AAA franchises begun? It’s pretty rare. And for good reason. Those of you in the beta understand.  When you are building on a sequel, if there’s something not done, you can just point to the previous  version’s code. In Elemental, we had nothing.

Moreover, when was the last time a new strategy game was made from scratch using the computing resources of 2010 versus  being tied to decade old design decisions? I remember in GalCiv, every time I wanted to eliminate its awful painful economic system (5 sliders!) I’d get screamed at by the community.

So again: What is Elemental?

The released version of Elemental is 3 things:

1. It’s a strategic RPG game (The Campaign = Book 1: Relias).

2. It’s a stand-alone strategy game (The sand box, which is where the beta has been about).

3. It’s a platform (The modding tools). The campaign is made with the mod tools.

The Campaigns for Elemental: War of Magic are broken into at least 3 books. The first book comes with the game. Relias. It’s had its own development team dedicated to just it and you guys haven’t seen it.  Here’s some hints: There is NO technology tree in it. It’s where all the cut scenes and Random House work has been going into and it rocks. Future books will be released in the future.

The stand alone game changes dramatically from week to week based on your feedback. And that’s the way we like it. I’ll be sad when the beta ends only because I really like hearing your ideas and criticisms. We get so inspired by some of the great ideas that the community has come up with.

We will really need to sit back and take an inventory on just how much of a massive impact for good that the beta has had.  Consider just the economic and research systems and how much better they are from our original concept.

Now, I do regret that those of you playing beta 4 will not easily recognize the final game. I mean that literally. The final game will look quite a bit different in terms of UI and gameplay. There are good reasons to hold back on this stuff until as late as possible.

Then there’s the platform.  Originally, we were going to make it all Python driven. But then we realized just how much we could do with XML. Eventually, we’ll expose in-game APIs as Python so people can do even more. But I have to say, the XML data driving has been a real game changer (did I mention that the campaign was done purely in XML?) As an old C programmer, I find this stuff amazing. Seriously, look at some of the spell books. How did they do randomization in XML? I don’t know. But they did it. I take back all the mean things I’ve said about Web developers and XML developers.

Stardock: We’re an indie

It’s not readily known but Stardock is one of the oldest game companies in the industry. Our first released game came out in 1994.  We were an OS/2 developer until 2000 so it’s only been in the past 10 years that most people have heard of our games.  But because we’re an indie with our own platform (Impulse) we can do as many updates as we want as often as we want. 

Let’s talk about the post-release updates:

1. The reviews and sales do not affect this. Even if people hate it, we love it. And we’ll keep working on it long after release because we love Elemental. We’re dedicated to it. And Stardock’s existence isn’t predicated on Elemental’s success.

2. Our updates are OPTIONAL. If you buy the retail DVD, you don’t have to update (at least not initially, we may get to a point with the modding tools this Fall where we’ll need people to update so that they can partake but we’ll see).

3. The point about optional updates matters. Because we will continue to make substantial updates to the game as time goes on. If you like the game as-is, you don’t have to update (unless you play MP).  But the beta community and us are constantly coming up with new ideas and I’m sure release players will have their own ideas.  I’d still like to see dungeon crawls in.  If you’ve played with the map editor, you’ll see we already support making Dungeons. I.e. we’ve already spent a lot of $$$ making art assets so you can make your own dungeons. But the game itself doesn’t have them. Yet.

4. We’re here.  When you’re on the forums, you’re not talking to just some support people (they’re here too! Hi guys!). You get to talk to us directly. We’ll agree, disagree, or give feedback.

Where will the game be available?

Okay, so here’s the deal on that:

In North America, you’re set.  Walmart, Best Buy, Gamestop have all been in the beta (yes, their buyers do play the games before they pick them up). And they all plan to carry it.  Pretty much everyone who carries PC games in North America will be carrying it.

Australia. They’re all set too. It’ll be at retail in Australia.

Russia. Yep. They’re set up too believe it or not.

Europe…Well, not so much. There are currently no plans to have a retail presence in Europe. I don’t want to talk too much about this lest I get into trouble but let’s just say, our previous games have been available in retail in western Europe and as much as we like making a nickel per copy sold, we think we’ll pass this time. The retail situation in Europe is just insane and in the age of digital distribution, we’re just not willing to put up with it anymore. One world. One price.  If there’s anything that would make the lives of Europeans easier in terms of getting the game via Impulse, let us know. I know people.

The Collector’s Edition

The response from retailers on the Collector’s Edition has been unexpectedly strong.  Having lots of in-box stuff (the Elemental CE box is going to be fat) seems to have hit a note with retailers and so many of them are picking it up.  We plan to only do one manufacturing run because well, frankly, the profit margins on the collector’s edition isn’t as good as the standard edition but even still, if you can afford it, get it. Holy cow is it awesome. If you miss the golden age of PC games (included 150+ of reading material, figurines, cloth maps, posters, etc.) get the collector’s edition.  As someone who has gone to bed reading various Civilization manuals over the years (and who can forget Ultima IV!?) the CE version really does make the case IMO as to why it’s good to give customers more than merely a piece of digital media.

What’s going to be better than Beta 4? What isn’t changing?

I think it’s pretty well known I don’t like Beta 4. I’m not a troll. I’m the designer. I’ll bullet point my gripes:

  • Casters should not get to cast spells more than 1 per turn.
  • The UI makes me cry. Clickity click click click. What’s going on?
  • Goodie huts are boooring.
  • The spells are booooring.
  • Tactical combat is boooring.
  • The spell books are confusing and make me feel violated and I’ve already consulted my attorneys about the issue. (Sorry Stardock, it’s too late already)
  • The spells are all the same and boring.

These are the kinds of things people can expect to change by release.  Technical people can tell you that this stuff is pretty trivial. Making a game is a lot like writing a term player expect that we have to program the word processor prior to actually writing the term paper. After programming the word processor, writing the term paper doesn’t seem so bad.

So we’re all here. Ready to make gaming history! Only 24 days remaining! Of course, bear in mind that Beta 4 and Beta 3C were only 7 days apart. So what I’m saying is that Elemental 1.0 on August 24th is going to be a first person shooter. Enjoy.


Comments (Page 11)
on Aug 02, 2010

I'm from Singapore in Asia.

Can i buy the digital download??? 

 

on Aug 02, 2010

Are there any plans to make the game (especially the CE) at least available in euro online stores such as amazon? No Impulse.eu yet? I would buy at your impulse store but 15€ for shipping alone plus customs puts the CE over the price of two games. I would really like other options besides overpriced CE or download for boxed price.

on Aug 02, 2010

I'm from Singapore in Asia.

Can i buy the digital download???

So long as you have a valid payment method, you can buy it anywhere.

on Aug 02, 2010

I have a man crush on Stardock ever since GalCiv.  I've been coding for nearly 2 decades and still can appreciate how hard thees guys work and how much they love what the do.

 

I got in on this beta late, but want to thank the Team for as always hearing the community voices.  That is why your games are sooooooo great.

on Aug 02, 2010

Nymeros
Are there any plans to make the game (especially the CE) at least available in euro online stores such as amazon? No Impulse.eu yet? I would buy at your impulse store but 15€ for shipping alone plus customs puts the CE over the price of two games. I would really like other options besides overpriced CE or download for boxed price.

You should be able to buy the boxed version in Europe online.  It's the stores (retail stores) in Europe that are the issue.

 

on Aug 02, 2010

I have pre-ordered the CE and Destiny's Embers.
I've taken a weeks vacation from work to co-inside with the release (risky I know).
The fridge is well stocked with snacks, and I have several pairs of clean underwear. 

I think I'm ready to go.....wait in order to be truly "collectors" I should buy another one right?
(original packaging and all that); going to the store brb!!

on Aug 02, 2010

The retail situation in Europe is just insane and in the age of digital distribution, we’re just not willing to put up with it anymore. One world. One price. If there’s anything that would make the lives of Europeans easier in terms of getting the game via Impulse, let us know. I know people.

You can say that, I really hope you'll make more effort in pushing other publisher to do so because this is also affecting your Impulse platform (that I wish to use at the fullest) with regional price or regional release. I like the way you think.

The Collector’s EditionThe response from retailers on the Collector’s Edition has been unexpectedly strong. Having lots of in-box stuff (the Elemental CE box is going to be fat) seems to have hit a note with retailers and so many of them are picking it up. We plan to only do one manufacturing run because well, frankly, the profit margins on the collector’s edition isn’t as good as the standard edition but even still, if you can afford it, get it. Holy cow is it awesome. If you miss the golden age of PC games (included 150+ of reading material, figurines, cloth maps, posters, etc.) get the collector’s edition.

About the comment above, I'm really torn about what to do about the CE. I'm an european customers, in beta from when it started I think. For me CE is really attractive but I'll going to pay pratically double the price. 20$ more for CE (fair), 20$ more for shipping cost. And 20% of tax when it is delivered to me at home (roughly another 20$). I have to make a final decision yet, but I'll probably skip that one. Stardock, hurry to build a base in europe

 

(how can I do multiple quote?)

on Aug 02, 2010

I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm curious if Impulse will be required for Elemental In North America (Arizona), even if I purchase a retail boxed copy?  I had Impulse once upon a time when I played Sins of a Solar Empire, but since then I've gotten a new machine, and I don't play Sins anymore, and dont really care to re-install it, nor do I really want to re-install Impulse... Not a big fan of DD, and would much rather do without it if it doesn't hamper my ability to play, to mod, and receive updates...

on Aug 02, 2010

Wizaerd
I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm curious if Impulse will be required for Elemental In North America (Arizona), even if I purchase a retail boxed copy?  I had Impulse once upon a time when I played Sins of a Solar Empire, but since then I've gotten a new machine, and I don't play Sins anymore, and dont really care to re-install it, nor do I really want to re-install Impulse... Not a big fan of DD, and would much rather do without it if it doesn't hamper my ability to play, to mod, and receive updates...

If you get the box, no Impulse won't be required. If you want to get patches and such however, you will need Impulse installed.

on Aug 02, 2010

Consider a few factors, the damage and actual utility of the spells cast.

That being able to cast more than 1 spell per turn could be a rare or special trait.

Spell damage should be quite high with a higher minimum threshold vs DR, i.e. Spells should have a higher minimum damage to get past certain damage resistances (like almost all of them).

I agree with the one spell per turn for the most part, but also like the idea of it being possible to cast multiple spells in a turn eventually.  As your caster becomes more experienced the spells would likely become easier to cast.  What about letting high level casters start being able to cast multiple low level spells eventually.  This could be through special abilities as the OP suggests or stats or just based on level.  If your level is (spell_level + 1) * 2 + 1 (or whatever) then those spells only take up half your movement instead of all of it.  The main difference is that you won't be able to cast 2 of any spell, just 2 of some low level spells that have become trivial for you.  There is a big difference between casting 2 fire darts that do 5 damage each and casting 2 area effect spells that each kill 5 units straight out.

In addition it would be nice if spells got stronger over time as well.  You have this to a degree with some spells being based off int but I would like to see this for almost all spells.  If a spell has a duration then it should vary with level or stats or being able to put more mana into it.  If it's a summoning spell than the creature that you summon should be stronger if you build your character properly.

I think these two ideas (or something along those lines anyway) would add a lot to the spell system.  Low level spells will not necessarily become useless and not all spell casters spells will be exactly the same.

on Aug 02, 2010

kyogre12

Quoting Wizaerd, reply 158I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm curious if Impulse will be required for Elemental In North America (Arizona), even if I purchase a retail boxed copy?  I had Impulse once upon a time when I played Sins of a Solar Empire, but since then I've gotten a new machine, and I don't play Sins anymore, and dont really care to re-install it, nor do I really want to re-install Impulse... Not a big fan of DD, and would much rather do without it if it doesn't hamper my ability to play, to mod, and receive updates...

If you get the box, no Impulse won't be required. If you want to get patches and such however, you will need Impulse installed.

And since the disc copy is being made from a version later this week, the day 0 release patch will be pretty substantial. You WILL want that patch.

For that much, you're stuck.

on Aug 02, 2010

And since the disc copy is being made from a version later this week, the day 0 release patch will be pretty substantial. You WILL want that patch.

For that much, you're stuck.

Yeah, I would gander that the gold -> 1.0 patch will have a number of 'great but not absolutely needed to play' items.  Those things they wish they could have gotten into the gold master, but didn't quite have time for.

on Aug 02, 2010


I'm from Singapore in Asia.

Can i buy the digital download???

So long as you have a valid payment method, you can buy it anywhere.

 

Okay let me rephrase. I can buy it anywhere, but can I use it? This impulse thing works anywhere also?

on Aug 02, 2010


the standard price in europe which is usually about £25
At the low end. Newer PC games in mainland Europe range anywhere from €30 to €50. Starcraft 2 is €60.

The simple fact of the matter is that the UK is enjoying price ranges right now that were set a couple of years ago when the pound was stronger. It's devalued considerably against most western currencies since 2008 so I wouldn't expect those cheap prices to last a lot longer.

 

In Sweden, StarCraft II goes for 41.5€

on Aug 02, 2010

Wizaerd
I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm curious if Impulse will be required for Elemental In North America (Arizona), even if I purchase a retail boxed copy?  I had Impulse once upon a time when I played Sins of a Solar Empire, but since then I've gotten a new machine, and I don't play Sins anymore, and dont really care to re-install it, nor do I really want to re-install Impulse... Not a big fan of DD, and would much rather do without it if it doesn't hamper my ability to play, to mod, and receive updates...

 

I don't like having a lot of excess programs either, i.e. Steam, on my PC. But Impulse is pretty minimalistic, and doesn't bother you when you don't want it to. It's not DRM like Steam, either. Just log in and you're good to go. The way Steam should be, IMO. You choose when you want your updates, and you don't need some "offline mode" either.