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The Energy Detective is a kit that you can purchase online that lets people monitor how much power their house is using in real-time.  While there are newer kits that work with your power meter, many advanced power meters (such as what I have) won’t work with them.

The way TED works is as follows:

The measuring “donuts” hook up inside your electrical panel. These donuts then are connected (and powered) by one of the breakers. The electrical line connected to the breaker is used to send a signal to a remote “gateway” that can then be connected to your router.

Hooking this up is, unfortunately, non-trivial if you’re non-technical, especially if you’re not familiar with electrical equipment or have an electrician at your beck and call.

My Installation

My house has 4 different panels so I used their highest end model that came with 4 sets of “donuts” that connect to their MTU (the gadget that records the data and sends it out to the gateway.

Now, the documentation for TED (and the help forums) assume that the people doing this sort of thing can, on the one hand, afford a $500 gadget to measure their power output but on the other hand assumes the user is going to be unable or unwilling to spend a relatively small amount to make it easy to hook up.  As a result, there are a lot of aggravated users on the TED forums.

The main reason: The power line communications choice that TED uses.  Basically, TED sends its signal from its MTU to its gateway over your power line. This makes it very vulnerable to electrical interference and weak signals.  Even if you overcome this, odds are, it by itself will interfere with other gadgets are that using the power lines to communicate as well (security systems and other smart home features).

I decided to bypass this pain by spending an additional $100 on two things:

1) An additional circuit breaker + power outlet dedicated just to this.

2) Netgear WNCE2001 Universal WiFi Internet Adapter

These two things bypassed many many pages of frustration you’d get under normal circumstances.

The first is so that you have a clean line from your donuts/MTUs directly to the Gateway.  The second is to make it easy to get the Gateway data to my wireless router.

photo 1

This is the Netgear Ethernet to Wireless adapter which I hooked up to the TED gateway.

photo 3

This is my crappy setup. I’ll clean it up later once I’m satisfied it’s working.  Basically, all 4 donuts/MTUs output to a single line that goes to the outlet that the gateway is plugged into. By doing this, I bypass all the line noise nonsense/interference with my security system that I’d get if I tried to have it use a regular outlet. I had an electrician come over and install the outlet I needed.

photo 2

This is my breaker box after I unscrewed the cover that hides the spaghetti. So those two donuts go around the black and red lines and are connected to the TED “MTU” (measuring gadget) that is then powered/connected to one of my breakers which is fed to a dedicated power outlet.

TED also has a decent real-time measuring system that you can see below.

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Now, I picked this up because I was trying to figure out why my house is using so much electricity.  The big yellow jump there is the geothermal turning on that heats our pool room.  The blue line is the total amount.  The light blue line are the lights, control 4 and home automation controls. The pink is something I’m still investigating but mostly has to do with our kitchen (my wife was making dinner in our electrical stove during this).  The green I’m still trying to figure out what’s using that.

Verdict

If you’re pretty technical and not afraid of of messing with your electrical system a bit, TED is a good choice. I will admit that my casual/careless nature (you saw the picture above) meant I experienced a few shocks. You need to be careful when doing this kind of thing – more careful than I am.

If you can use a system that works with your electrical meter outside your house, I’d recommend that.  But for the large % of people who, like me, cannot do that then TED is really your only option.


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on Jan 16, 2011

Keep your freezer and fridges as full as possible. Every time the door is opened all the cold air is lost. Blocks of ice for the freezer or even large block of Styrofoam for that empty shelf in the beer fridge.

The stove is a big power hog. Learn to cook with the small burner with the lids on the pots. I never see lids used anymore, rather full blast element so they can watch water boil. Toaster Ovens or microwaves can actually save a lot of power.

Throw away all hair dryers. Big waste there.

Home theater equiptment all use power even when off. Connect the outlets to a power switch (light switch) accept your recorder (PVR VCR). I have 2 outlets, one on a switch and one is not.

In Canada we have cheaper power at non-peak times. If that is the case where you live get your family in the habit of doing high power usage in the evening. Laundry after 6 is the easiest way to start. Charge all battery devices in the evening.

There are motion switches for lights, these are great for hallways and closets for those forgetful people. Bathroom as well as long as you don't mind waving your hand beyond the shower curtain if you shower to long. Good way to say get the hell out of the shower, how dirty are you anyway.

Timed thermostat can be set for 60 during the day and warms up before you get home. Can also be turned down while sleeping and set to warm up just before you get up. Loads of savings there.

Electric stove and electric dryers are the worst. Give them to goodwill and invest in gas.

The thicker the cord, the worse the offender.

Edit: Oh ya, wrap your hot water heater. Make sure your furnace/air is set to run less times for longer periods, believe me it works. A bad thermostat (or bad therostat placement) will have your furnace kicking on every 10 mins for a min or 2. Optimal might be once an hour for 10 mins.

Another device you can install in your home to save power is the Power Save 1200. The Power Save 1200 will lower electric bill amounts by reducing the amount of power that is wasted by some of the appliances in your home. Many appliances, such as air conditioners, freezers, washer, vacuums, and fans, use inductive motors. These motors ask for electricity from the transformer every time they need to run. This process creates heat in the motors and the wiring. This heat is actually wasted energy, because it is created by electricity. The Power Save 1200 will store electricity in the home and release it to these motors when they are ready to run. This eliminates the heat in the motors and the wires, which can reduce electric bill totals as much as 25%. Only recently heard of this and not tested.

on Jan 17, 2011

Daiwa
Look at the bright side: $600, a few hours of your time and several 110v shocks later, you still don't have a clue what's going on.

Perfect.

Several? I am a slow learner - so it would be quite a few!

on Jan 17, 2011

Brad....the best way to use less power is to design for it BEFORE construction.

There is a simple issue that overrides all others, however - size.

And 'size' is not squarage [only] it is volume... so ceiling heights are a significant issue.

Mine's an old Victorian....so 11 foot ceilings .... requires the equivalent heating/cooling of a typical 70's house twice it's size [squares].

Heating and cooling rteally need to be 'passive' ...as they're the biggest user, whereas siting/orientation/layout can help reduce the need for artificial lighting..... and THAT shouldn't be indiscriminate splatterings of 'downlights' all over the place, but specific lighting in specific places for specific function.

 

All the best-laid plans re stuff like solar heating for water, etc all goes mostly to nothing when the scale of an installation requires miles of plumbing reticulation....all of which adds to thermal loss....

 

Only fool-proof solution to energy use is to tap in [secretly] to someone else's .... without them knowing....and let THEM pay...

on Jan 17, 2011


Only fool-proof solution to energy use is to tap in [secretly] to someone else's .... without them knowing....and let THEM pay...

He must have posted this while piggy-backing on the neighbor's wireless!

 

Great post - I'm going to look into installing one of these, especially now that I'm planning to add room-mates, and could then present them with graphs of the energy usage in the house.

 

 

on Jan 17, 2011

@MyFist - Thanks for all the info there.

For the most part, in my house I'm doing most of those things already. Lots of motion sensored based lights and lights that time out on their own.

The entire lighting system is Lutron based and that is connected to my Control4 based home automation system. So I can control the lights and run programs via my iPhone and such.  

@Jafo - I agree.  The house has been designed from scratch to be energy efficient. It got a gold LEED certification in green home building (bronze, silver, gold, emerald).  That's why I was surprised that the electrician had hooked up one of the geothermal units to the main electrical meter -- half my electricity was coming from that.

Mostly, what I'm dealing with are "Bugs" in the system. You can design the greenest of houses but a few on the spot decisions by a given contractor can undo a lot.  

For instance, the house has recirculated water heating.  Well, first off, the pipes are not insulated -- they were supposed to be but it'll be something I'll have to deal with.  Secondly, the recirculation is set to be on 24/7 and go to every faucet in the house.  So I've put the recirculation on a timer and the plumber is going to hook it up so that it only goes to a few faucets that happen to be far away from the boiler.

The heating and cooling is all done via geothermal so other than domestic hot water, the house uses no gas (with the exception of the dryer).

The other problem I've run into are simply issues of scale. The house is very efficient -- for a house of its size.  But that doesn't solve the scale issue.  The house has 8 refrigerators/freezers scattered about it.  Like MyFist mentioned, I try to keep them filled so that they're not running and they're the latest/greatest in energy efficiency but they're still refrigerators.

The thermostats don't currently come into play because the geothermal sets the radiant to a particular temperature. It isn't so much about running or not running, they're just that temperature. The geothermal computer is pretty slick in the way it works to ensure it's not coming on or off.  However, I'm not convinced that the air conditioner (which uses geothermal but uses forced air and thus is connected to a thermostat) is particularly efficient.

So far, I've gotten the house down to 100 KW/h per day -- which is still terrible. But it was at 296 KW/h per day because the pool room's geothermal was running almost all the time (and this is going to be an going issue in teh Winter because I'm supposed to keep that room at the same temperature as the pool).  Right now, I've just bit the bullet and let the room be colder than the pool and rely on the thermal cover on the pool to do its job -- which it has so far.

The other big issue still is the pool pumps. When they run, they use almost 5KW. They're supposed to run 8 hours a day. That would be 40KW/h PER DAY.  Right now, since it's an indoor pool and we don't swim a lot during the week, I've lowered this to only running 8 hours 3 days a week instead.  

As a practical matter, my best case scenario is to get the house down to 70 KW/h per day and then have that powered via the solar array I'm planning to put in this Spring/Summer for a net 0 usage for the house.

on Jan 18, 2011

Ah....now the US Nuclear-powered Aircraft Carriers and Subs only need to refuel every 20 years or so...instead of every couple of days.....

THERE's the solution....

 

....and a bit of 'leakage' and you won't even NEED lights.....things will just.....glow....

on Jan 18, 2011

Mine's an old Victorian....so 11 foot ceilings .... requires the equivalent heating/cooling of a typical 70's house twice it's size [squares].
Jafo put some celling fans in at top of the peek that saves some money to, reversible  one`s for summer & winter,and run on low fan.

on Jan 18, 2011
captinmoonlight....nudge..nudge...wink...wink.... I'm an Architect....have been now for the wrong side of thirty years.....almost before 'electricity'....
on Jan 18, 2011

on Jan 18, 2011

Wow, you cut your energy use from 300 to 100 kwh/day just from the pool?  My math from the chart was somehow very, very wrong -- is that chart logarithmic or something?  It seems like even if the pool were on 100% of the time you would only have saved 50% of your kwh by turning it off!

FWIW, I live in an efficiency apartment in Wisconsin and I used 17 kwh/day last month.  If you got that enormous house down to 100 kwh/day that is actually amazing -- your house is, let's see, 22000 square feet/273 = 80 times the size of my apartment and using only six times the electricity.  Gosh, I feel like an electricity pig now!  About 9 kwh/day of my bill was heat.

on Jan 18, 2011

Australia [mostly] has dumb meters....dials that go round and round and don't care where, what, why or when you're using juice...just how much so they can charge you for it.  We're in the throes of getting more 'intelligent' ones.... that can discriminate 'when' so as to charge overly MORE for peak usage so as to dissuade people from using as much at peak and thus put off bringing more stations online.

Of course.....the COST of the meter upgrades would cover the price of a new Power Station...but you know, Logic is never a Govt's best suit....

on Jan 18, 2011

When those meters came out in Canada there was a government rebate for while. Power cost go up like everything else does and it is an investment if you want to save in the long run.

Power hogs should pay for polluting the planet.

Our system is about to crash its so old, just wait to see the cost increases then along with blackouts like a few years ago that took out the east coast of canada and the u.s.. 3 days without power and watch your friendly neighbors turn into thugs.

Development of a National East-West Power Grid Plan

 

POLLUTION DEATHS FROM FOSSIL FUEL-BASED POWER PLANTS

3. Australian fossil fuel-based power pollution deaths.  The data in  #2 suggest that coal plants producing 77% of Australia's annual 255 TWh of electricity from 51 GW capacity (i.e. 0.77 x 255 = 196.4 TWh/year; see: http://www.uic.com.au/nip37.htm  might kill about 196.4 TWh x 668/27 TWh = 4,859 people annually in Australia (population 21 million); in Australia 255 bn kWh x $0.04/kWh = $10.2 bn; 0.77 (coal-based) x $10.2 bn = $7.85 billion; $7.85 bn /4,859 deaths means that Australian electricity consumers pay for electricity @ $1.6 million per fellow Australian killed by coal.

But WTH, my pool needs to be warm. 

on Jan 19, 2011

@NoNoun, you're extrapolating way way too much from a screenshot.

There were lots of things I did besides cut down the geothermal from the pool. I think I listed some of them in another post but for instance, Control4 has an "evening lighting" program that goes on after sunset that used a lot of power. I reduced the # of lights on when that program activates.  I turn off our theater room components completely when not in use which saves 24 KW/h a day.  I reduced the amount of hours a week the pool filter is on, and so on.

on Jan 19, 2011

I should also add that power usage doesn't scale with house size.

The biggest energy use in our house at this point comes from refrigerators. Everyone has at least 1 refrigerator.  Even in a much bigger house they probably still have the 1 refrigerator.  Unfortunately, in this house we have several.

We also have all LED lights which takes us from 60W per light down to 8W. 

The way I look at it is that our house has 5 people in it.  We shouldn't be using more than 5X as much energy as a single person.  So I'm focusing on right to reduce our energy consumption as much as possible.

on Jan 19, 2011

myfist0 ....we have tree-hugging hippie-crappers complaining about ecologically SOUND alternatives to fossil fuels....which can be pretty bloody frustrating for a country that has the world's biggest/cheapest coal resources [and thus dis-incentive to change].

There's some bloody perrot that is calculated MIGHT be a victim of a wind farm 'prop' maybe once in 100 years....so heck no..... VETO THAT.

Meanwhile....people [and animals] die from effects of coal usage.

Yes, it's all so sweet and logical.

But if a tree-hugger shows photos of something small and furry clubbed to death by technology all the bleeding hearts cry in unison.

Blue-bottles...seaweeds [surfers] get their board-shorts in a knot over desalination plants...in the [second] driest continent on the planet [current floods NOT withstanding].

As with the oil industry there are just too many 'interested' parties for logic to prevail.

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