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Recently I was involved in a discussion regarding the two Boston Marathon bombers.  It started off with someone expressing concern about the amount of anger and hatred being directed towards the bombers.

I am dismayed and afraid about the amount of hate and vengeance for the two who planted the bombs. It is spreading the attitude of vengeance in our country. I saw a quote from Ghandi this morning which I have not verified, but it struck me as true. "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind". What is the difference between those two and us wanting to kill them?

This comment launched a discussion that had one side advocating that we should try to understand – show “empathy” towards how people could become so “disenfranchised” that they would commit such violent acts?  They also argued that it was unhealthy for us, as a society, to feel so much anger, hate and a desire for vengeance against the perpetrators.

I disagree.

We have the ability to indulge ourselves in this discussion precisely because we live in a civilization that instinctively and actively removes the monsters from society. We should be thankful that the instinctive emotion by our society is anger, disdain and hate towards these monsters and not empathy or compassion.

A civilization that frets too much on whether it's acceptable to dehumanize monsters has little expectation to survive in the long-run. It only took two monsters to shut down Boston. And I think we all know that there are many many edge cases out there that could become such monsters.  Our civilization could be severely disrupted by a handful of individuals like the Boston Marathon bombers.  We should show no tolerance whatsoever for individuals that act in this way.

Therefore, as a society that seeks to survive, we should absolutely show the maximum amount of disdain, disgust and contempt for human beings to engage in such behavior. We should absolutely make it clear that people who engage in this act are so loathed that we no longer even think of them as human but rather as animals, vermin, and monsters. We so reject their actions that we figuratively have kicked them out of our species.

I think it's intellectually facile to argue that it's somehow "wrong" to dehumanize human beings like this. At best, it's the result of not thinking through the consequences of what would happen if a significant plurality of our society showed an ounce of compassion or empathy towards these kinds of monsters. And at worst, it's simply indulging in feel-good sanctimonious back patting (i.e. "Look at me, I'm an intellectual because I imagine that intellectuals are above feeling 'negative' human emotions).

If we want to keep our society, we better hope that people continue to think of human beings that would seek to destroy them as monsters, vermin, animals and worse.  “What is evil?” someone asked. Pointlessly and indiscriminately murdering innocents who were there to support loved ones participating in an event that celebrated excellence. That’s evil.

Just my 2 cents.


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on Apr 26, 2013

There was a discussion??

on Apr 26, 2013

Therefore, as a society that seeks to survive, we should absolutely show the maximum amount of disdain, disgust and contempt for human beings to engage in such behavior. We should absolutely make it clear that people who engage in this act are so loathed that we no longer even think of them as human but rather as animals, vermin, and monsters. We so reject their actions that we figuratively have kicked them out of our species.

To many times the so called monsters are created right under your nose and I always wondered why nobody ever looks at the possible causes. Mental illness is not what I am talking about, I mean normal kids driven to do horrific acts at mass shootings, young people that could be your neighbor driven to do horrific acts during war. I am definitely not a psychology or sociology student but I like to read some and watch documentaries (cats flushing toilets just don't cut it for me) and I found this one quite a while ago. WARNING: Some graphic images of torture and death at Abu Grabe. This is for the purposes of discussion, not to place blame.

Philip Zimbardo: The psychology of evil youtube.com/watch?v=OsFEV35tWsg

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OregonCoastGhost 
He managed to fit a semester's worth of material in to 23 minutes. Crazy. Loved his passion. He touched on so many good points. Excellent speech!

on Apr 26, 2013

Zimbardo is a great Psychologist, I teach a lot of his studies here at the hospital.  

on Apr 26, 2013


Tangents.

It's all about tangents.

Everyone here appears to be going off on one...or another.

#143 has exactly ZERO relevance to the OP.

And #144...being pro-NRA bears no relevance either.

 

For what it's worth I 100% agree with you.

 

Tolerance of the intolerable is the sign of the decline of a civilization in fact it is this weakness that spurs these extremists as they see Western Civilization as on the wane and they have a mind to be replacing it with their ideology. 

on Apr 26, 2013

Scoutdog

Nothing. But we are on the Internet...

 

(Actually, it's strange. Six pages of volatility, and not a single allusion to Nazis, fascism, or Hitler.)

BOING!

Scoutdog, by noting that, you did it.  

on Apr 26, 2013

I figure with me, the idea is in marginally safer hands.

on Apr 30, 2013

It should be simple--people who cold bloodily, with malice and forethought and through means intended to inflict great personal suffering and death on innocent people should get a death penalty.

You can weep and mourn for them, pray for their souls and have empathy and compassion but that should be the consequence.

Our problem is wanting a society where no consequences are imposed but we just "imagine the best".

How's that working so far for ya'll?

on Apr 30, 2013

If we want to keep our society, we better hope that people continue to think of human beings that would seek to destroy them as monsters, vermin, animals and worse.

instead of....heartthrobs....   link...   

on Apr 30, 2013

Ya weird stuff 

 

on Apr 30, 2013

sydneysiders
instead of....heartthrobs....   link...   

Ya weird stuff 


on Apr 30, 2013

myfist0

Ya weird stuff 

 

I guess the world takes all kinds.

on Apr 30, 2013

I can accept that, but why do they all have to come here?

on Apr 30, 2013

Just replying to get rid of that 'subscribe to this post' nonsense...

Carry on

on Apr 30, 2013

Scoutdog
I can accept that, but why do they all have to come here?

 

 "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

....

on Apr 30, 2013



Quoting Scoutdog, reply 163I can accept that, but why do they all have to come here?

 

 "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

....

Actually, if I get the meaning of the question correct, is has more to do with making headlines than yearning to breathe free.

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