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Recently I was involved in a discussion regarding the two Boston Marathon bombers.  It started off with someone expressing concern about the amount of anger and hatred being directed towards the bombers.

I am dismayed and afraid about the amount of hate and vengeance for the two who planted the bombs. It is spreading the attitude of vengeance in our country. I saw a quote from Ghandi this morning which I have not verified, but it struck me as true. "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind". What is the difference between those two and us wanting to kill them?

This comment launched a discussion that had one side advocating that we should try to understand – show “empathy” towards how people could become so “disenfranchised” that they would commit such violent acts?  They also argued that it was unhealthy for us, as a society, to feel so much anger, hate and a desire for vengeance against the perpetrators.

I disagree.

We have the ability to indulge ourselves in this discussion precisely because we live in a civilization that instinctively and actively removes the monsters from society. We should be thankful that the instinctive emotion by our society is anger, disdain and hate towards these monsters and not empathy or compassion.

A civilization that frets too much on whether it's acceptable to dehumanize monsters has little expectation to survive in the long-run. It only took two monsters to shut down Boston. And I think we all know that there are many many edge cases out there that could become such monsters.  Our civilization could be severely disrupted by a handful of individuals like the Boston Marathon bombers.  We should show no tolerance whatsoever for individuals that act in this way.

Therefore, as a society that seeks to survive, we should absolutely show the maximum amount of disdain, disgust and contempt for human beings to engage in such behavior. We should absolutely make it clear that people who engage in this act are so loathed that we no longer even think of them as human but rather as animals, vermin, and monsters. We so reject their actions that we figuratively have kicked them out of our species.

I think it's intellectually facile to argue that it's somehow "wrong" to dehumanize human beings like this. At best, it's the result of not thinking through the consequences of what would happen if a significant plurality of our society showed an ounce of compassion or empathy towards these kinds of monsters. And at worst, it's simply indulging in feel-good sanctimonious back patting (i.e. "Look at me, I'm an intellectual because I imagine that intellectuals are above feeling 'negative' human emotions).

If we want to keep our society, we better hope that people continue to think of human beings that would seek to destroy them as monsters, vermin, animals and worse.  “What is evil?” someone asked. Pointlessly and indiscriminately murdering innocents who were there to support loved ones participating in an event that celebrated excellence. That’s evil.

Just my 2 cents.


Comments (Page 2)
on Apr 22, 2013

TechNoWeb
A needle in the arm is the appropriate punishment. That's an easier death than their victims had. If it were up to to me I would go old school and hang them. Let them strangle to death even that is to easy for them

myfist0
and personally, I believe in due process and not summary execution by cop or mob.

Maybe, but neither rage, hateful comments on the internet nor their punishment is going to repair any of the damage they did. Simply because their crime has captured the headlines and emotions of the country does not mean they should be treated any differently. As myfist says, the remaining suspect is in custody, it is time for the criminal justice system to take care of it and for everyone else to rebuild and move on. That more than anything deny terrorism any victory.

on Apr 22, 2013

myfist0

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These guys were everywhere, and nobody bats an eye?

and personally, I believe in due process and not summary execution by cop or mob.

 

Even I keep track of the conspiracy crowd.... 

on Apr 22, 2013

G_Bison
Even I keep track of the conspiracy crowd.... 

I didn't get info from there and I would hazard a guess that info is wrong. I would say this info is a little more believable but maybe just as much guessing as anyone else is doing.

Images of the scene prior to the bombs going off show a team of individuals that are dressed in a uniform typical of Craft International employees.  Craft International is a private military contractor, similar to Blackwater.  Craft specializes in sniper, protection detail, covert ops and close-quarter-combat training.  They are a training organization, not a security organization.  That means they were not at this event  providing security. They must have been there conducting some kind of a drill or training exercise.  Craft does not offer security guard services.  Even if they did, they are way too elite for general security at a marathon.

I have a hard time believing that a private commando team would just randomly happen to be at the site of a terrorist bombing, in their uniforms no less. Further, one of the team members can be seen using an electronic device that appears to be a radiation detector.  I suppose he just randomly happened to have one of those on him as well. They also appear to have ear piece communication devices on them.
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/04/18/private-military-contractors-belie-the-official-boston-marathon-story/ 


Isn't it typical that all these terrorist events have training operations going on. If I were to guess and put bullshit information out there like every corporate media source does, I would say these patsies were under FBI control and Craft was there in case the patsies were busted and they could say were part of the drill. Craft may not of even known this was going to happen, probably setup just like the brothers.
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The FBI Fosters, Funds and Equips American Terrorists




on Apr 22, 2013

OK...let's get some REAL perspective here...simply because it's....er...timely.

The other day a bomber who killed and maimed innocent people was shot dead...and another was shot and injured and 'will die'.

They are 'monsters' exactly as Brad said.

Today, a woman died.  The most 'evil' thing she ever even SAID in her 94 years was 'bugger' ....and 'bloody'.

SHE was a good person.  SHE deserves compassion.  These animals do not, not in any shape or form.  They can rightfully rot in hell.

Oh, BTW....

The woman was my mum.

on Apr 22, 2013

So sorry for your loss Jafo

on Apr 22, 2013

My condolences JAFO...

@ myfist0, Dang, you conspiracy site is worst then mine. That classic line from "The Matrix", "Let's see how far the Rabbit hole goes..."

on Apr 22, 2013

on Apr 22, 2013

Condolences Paul, may she rest in peace.

on Apr 22, 2013

Frogboy


and personally, I believe in due process and not summary execution by cop or mob.

Is anyone suggesting they not get a trial?

Lindsay Graham for one.  He pretty much says send them off to Gitmo

 

We have to maintain our standards, or we get blights like Gitmo, which is the biggest stain on America's honor since WWII, and with much weaker justification than what we did during WWII.  (I say this as a veteran and someone who for the most part supported the Iraq War)  You also get things like the maltreatment and torture of Bradley Manning.  (he's guilty, but he didn't deserve to be tortured)

 

Yes, we can hate the monsters, but we don't have to become the monsters.   Too many folks seem happy to become the monster.  

 

 

 

on Apr 22, 2013

myfist0




More info from guys with no name.   
My source has a source who has been told... Ya right!





 

Are you auditioning to be some sort of new era "Truther"?

on Apr 22, 2013

Frogboy
Is anyone suggesting they not get a trial?
That seems to be the implication:
doortech1
I live in a small town in the country and we had some scumbags come into our hillside and murder two neighbors just three day ago. Frewsburg Skinner Homicide,search ,you will find it. So, yes kill em all.DT1
TechNoWeb
A needle in the arm is the appropriate punishment. That's an easier death than their victims had. If it were up to to me I would go old school and hang them. Let them strangle to death even that is to easy for them
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I don't care what they thought. I care what they did. The acts speak for themselves and evidence careful planning and conscious intent. The acts define their insanity, but it was/is not of the temporary variety. No shrinking needed. And no mirrors. Our society or culture did not plant the seeds of this in their minds, except to the extent that it simply exists. I'm all for knowing as much as we can about how they were recruited or what influenced them to do what they did, but no amount of navel-gazing will stop such people - you'll just be looking down when they hit you and never see it coming.

Then again, Bill Ayers started his academic career this way. Maybe we can patch Djokar up and get him a job teaching our kids, too.

on Apr 22, 2013

I am dismayed and afraid about the amount of hate and vengeance for the two who planted the bombs. It is spreading the attitude of vengeance in our country. I saw a quote from Ghandi this morning which I have not verified, but it struck me as true. "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind". What is the difference between those two and us wanting to kill them?

This comment launched a discussion that had one side advocating that we should try to understand – show “empathy” towards how people could become so “disenfranchised” that they would commit such violent acts? They also argued that it was unhealthy for us, as a society, to feel so much anger, hate and a desire for vengeance against the perpetrators.

We are a nation of laws and under those laws, citizens expect justice through the laws-courts to be served.  

The scales (of the evil deeds committed and the punishment for those) are balanced through justice.  

 

 

on Apr 22, 2013

We have the ability to indulge ourselves in this discussion precisely because we live in a civilization that instinctively and actively removes the monsters from society. We should be thankful that the instinctive emotion by our society is anger, disdain and hate towards these monsters and not empathy or compassion.

Really? Are you kidding?

Not to change the subject or belabor this point but please really think about it....

Where is the societal anger, disdain and hate towards the abortionist monster named Gosnell currently on trial for killing one woman and 7 infants born in his Philadelphia abortion mill?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/345483/dehumanizing-word-games-gosnell-andrew-c-mccarthy

 

   

 

on Apr 22, 2013

First off, I want to say in many ways I am a big pinko commie liberal, but a big problem I noticed during all this, is in America, how our political leanings bias us toward everything.  People on the left seemed sure this bombing was done by a white right-wing extremist.  I'm not saying it wasn't a possibility, but lets be perfectly honest, if there is an act of terror anywhere in the world, you have a 95% chance it was done by a Muslim.  And yet despite that fact, the Left refuses to believe that Islam is to blame.  And Liberals are often very quick to blame religion for many woes in our nation, but only in regards to Christianity practiced by White people. In fact, they were calling people racist for believing the bombings were done by Muslims.  I often post anti-religious stuff on my Facebook, and I posted one about how Muhammad had sex with his 9 year old wife and some Atheist douchebag commented how this was racist and we shouldn't be saying bad things about another person's culture.  How fucking hypocritical is that?  I don't care what your religion, culture or race is, if you are a terrorist or child fucker, you are scum. 

 

There are monsters in this world, and they exist in many forms.  Those that are willing to kill, rape, and steal without remorse are monsters.  And we have to point out the monsters when we see it, and we have to fight the monsters together without becoming the monster too. This terrorist deserves a fair and just trial.  Why?  Because that's who we should strive to be.  In the face of terror, in the face of hatred, we keep our ideals of justice and liberty and the best way to give these bastards a big "fuck you" is to continue being who we are.   

on Apr 22, 2013

The woman was my mum.

so sorry to hear this... Mum's are just such a huge part of you.. I still work hard to keep my Mum at 96 in her home.. but it gets harder...many challenges...

I dread the day... and don't even want to imagine what you are feeling today... but I feel for you nonetheless...