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Recently I was involved in a discussion regarding the two Boston Marathon bombers.  It started off with someone expressing concern about the amount of anger and hatred being directed towards the bombers.

I am dismayed and afraid about the amount of hate and vengeance for the two who planted the bombs. It is spreading the attitude of vengeance in our country. I saw a quote from Ghandi this morning which I have not verified, but it struck me as true. "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind". What is the difference between those two and us wanting to kill them?

This comment launched a discussion that had one side advocating that we should try to understand – show “empathy” towards how people could become so “disenfranchised” that they would commit such violent acts?  They also argued that it was unhealthy for us, as a society, to feel so much anger, hate and a desire for vengeance against the perpetrators.

I disagree.

We have the ability to indulge ourselves in this discussion precisely because we live in a civilization that instinctively and actively removes the monsters from society. We should be thankful that the instinctive emotion by our society is anger, disdain and hate towards these monsters and not empathy or compassion.

A civilization that frets too much on whether it's acceptable to dehumanize monsters has little expectation to survive in the long-run. It only took two monsters to shut down Boston. And I think we all know that there are many many edge cases out there that could become such monsters.  Our civilization could be severely disrupted by a handful of individuals like the Boston Marathon bombers.  We should show no tolerance whatsoever for individuals that act in this way.

Therefore, as a society that seeks to survive, we should absolutely show the maximum amount of disdain, disgust and contempt for human beings to engage in such behavior. We should absolutely make it clear that people who engage in this act are so loathed that we no longer even think of them as human but rather as animals, vermin, and monsters. We so reject their actions that we figuratively have kicked them out of our species.

I think it's intellectually facile to argue that it's somehow "wrong" to dehumanize human beings like this. At best, it's the result of not thinking through the consequences of what would happen if a significant plurality of our society showed an ounce of compassion or empathy towards these kinds of monsters. And at worst, it's simply indulging in feel-good sanctimonious back patting (i.e. "Look at me, I'm an intellectual because I imagine that intellectuals are above feeling 'negative' human emotions).

If we want to keep our society, we better hope that people continue to think of human beings that would seek to destroy them as monsters, vermin, animals and worse.  “What is evil?” someone asked. Pointlessly and indiscriminately murdering innocents who were there to support loved ones participating in an event that celebrated excellence. That’s evil.

Just my 2 cents.


Comments (Page 8)
on Apr 24, 2013

Lord Xia

What?  We are America, we blow up two nations before we even begin to think! Maybe I am reading this wrong, but are you saying America is being too passive and needs to be more aggressive towards the extremist? I had no idea Europeans thought about us that way...
 

 

We don't normally confuse the industrial-military complex with the people of America*. You must be in charge I presume?  

 

 

* left-wing agitators excluded of course.

on Apr 24, 2013

There are actually people out there who still believe Bush engineered 911 and brought down the towers with "controlled implosions". So its not a stretch to see how people would deny the crimes these animal brothers committed, or sympathize with them. The sympathizer doesn't necessarily have to be a balls out sympathizer. They could instead be a soft sympathizer who suggests that we have judged the monsters to harshly and are in fact, monsters ourselves for wanting to see an actual monster executed asap. I'm not surprised these brothers were Chechen. Those animals have shown what they are about in Beslan and South Ossetia, we should have never granted such evil people asylum.

on Apr 24, 2013

I'm not surprised these brothers were Chechen.

According to Fox, the youngest bomber is 19 and came to America when he was 6 so it seems the radicalization happened here. Don't know how much we'll learn about that in the trial.

The older bomber, 26, was married and had a child. He went back to Chechnya  and spent 6 months there. Russia contacted the FBI and the CIA about the older bomber.

It's very safe to say there is a lot we still don't know (and may never know!).  

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/mukasey-boston-bombings-jihad/2013/04/21/id/500610

 

on Apr 24, 2013

I think I need to be blunt.

Next person who makes a discriminatory comment will be making his/her last comment on these forums.

It is enough that terrorists/monsters may seek to justify their motivations via a mis-construed understanding of a religion and/or idealism, but when an 'observer' declares such 'motivation' as a determination that all followers of such religion/idealism are tarred by the same brush then on THESE FORUMS you are in violation of our TOU and will be removed.

on Apr 24, 2013

Jafo, you Australians are so mean!

Oops...

 

on Apr 24, 2013

Cauldyth
Jafo, you Australians are so mean!

Oops...
Well, at least the thread ended on a high note...

on Apr 24, 2013

SpardaSon21
I don't even get what point he's trying to make.

I think what he was trying to say is that the US wants to be the world leader in terms of freedom and democracy. But since 9/11, what have we really done other than Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia and other countries are having similar problems with terrorists. 

There should be a unified front and the US is not taking point. As the situation is unfolding in Boston, more details emerge. And it looks like once again our intelligence community are not sharing info just like 9/11. In any case, what do we do? Try to bring them to the 21st century kicking and screaming or just leave them alone like some isolated tribes in South America who never seen a white man?

Basically, the Europeans want to know is the US gonna led them from this mess like in WWII...?

on Apr 24, 2013

on Apr 24, 2013

While I think there is a serious sickness in the heart of the Islamic religion, that is not the point of this topic. The religion of the perpeatrators -- for the purpose of this topic -- is irrelevant.

My general point is that if we want to keep the society we have, we should be thankful that most people's emotional instinct towards those who would seek to destroy them is anger and not compassion.

on Apr 24, 2013

Draginol
My general point is that if we want to keep the society we have, we should be thankful that most people's emotional instinct towards those who would seek to destroy them is anger and not compassion.

 

I couldn't disagree more, but then that is why I ended my rather long post on page 4 with that 'agree to disagree' remark.  To me, what I posted about 'societal stewardship' is something no society on earth can afford to ignore........at least not in the long term anyway.

on Apr 24, 2013

the_Monk




I couldn't disagree more, but then that is why I ended my rather long post on page 4 with that 'agree to disagree' remark.  To me, what I posted about 'societal stewardship' is something no society on earth can afford to ignore........at least not in the long term anyway.

Understood. I was trying to prevent my post from being hijacked by people wanting to turn it into a referendum on Islam.

on Apr 24, 2013

Draginol
Understood. I was trying to prevent my post from being hijacked by people wanting to turn it into a referendum on Islam.

 

I understand.  That's also why I posted what looks to be a 'confused face' smiley above.......

on Apr 24, 2013

Draginol
My general point is that if we want to keep the society we have, we should be thankful that most people's emotional instinct towards those who would seek to destroy them is anger and not compassion.
Yes and no. I couldn't care less about how people feel, but what matters is that we don't immediately rush to destroy people like the Boston Bombers without first learning all that we can from them to help prevent similar crimes in the future. Once they're no longer useful... it doesn't matter to me either way exactly how they are removed from society.

on Apr 24, 2013

Scoutdog

Maybe?

 

This thread is getting wierd(er).

It went over the edge when you, Daiwa and I agreed!  Now it is just twilight zonish.

on Apr 25, 2013

G_Bison

Basically, the Europeans want to know is the US gonna led them from this mess like in WWII...?

 

No, not really.

 

Specifically President Putin asked the US administration to stop supplying the terrorists with arms.