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Chicken or egg question
Published on December 12, 2004 By Draginol In Philosophy

When I get into a political debate with friends or family that are liberal in their political views, at some point one of them will say "Well yea, you're conservative because you're one of the ones benefiting most from Bush's tax cuts."

I'm 33. So for most of my life I wasn't well off. Yet for as long as I've even contemplated what the role of government should be in our lives as well as what people should do for themselves versus what the "community" should do for them I've had conservative views.

In other words, I was a conservative long before I was making enough income to benefit from any sort of tax cut. 

Liberals tend to sneer as they talk about "tax cuts for the rich" and impugning those who are conservatives. There is always the temptation to turn it around and say that they're liberal because they want other people to have to pay for their half-baked life choices of failures.

The call-word of conservatism is "be your own man".  The call-word of liberalism is "we're in this together". Both are noble sentiments. But which one leads to greater success in the real world?  Most successful people I deal with are conservative. It's not even a close thing.  The people who have achieved the greatest levels of personal and professional happiness and are able to materially provide for themselves and families to the level they wish to are nearly always conservative in their philosophies. 

So which came first? Are we to believe that these successful people were once dreamy, warm fuzzy thinking liberals who, upon becoming successful suddenly changed into cold greedy conservatives who want to keep more of their money? I don't think so.  Instead, the conservative values of self-reliance ultimately lead to success more often than the values of liberalism.  And a result, most people who are successful are conservative.


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on Dec 15, 2004
Brad, from what I can see you've defined success (as you say, your view of success) as being something that is more easily gained by people who have conservative values - those who put themselves and their close families first ahead of "everyone". I hardly think it's a surprise that the objectives of someone with conservative ideals are more easily met by people with those ideals, because that is what you're aiming for in the first place! As you say, it's a chicken or egg question - which comes first, the definition of success or the people who aim for that definition of it?

I would not be impressed if the more "successful" people in your view happen to be conservative. I would expect that to be the case. I would argue that it is whether people are successful in their own eyes that is more important - because they have defined what success is for themselves, and therefore success becomes a question of "did you fulfil your goals in life, or not?"
on Dec 15, 2004

GR - please discuss/debate definition of success in the definition of success thread. And you can offer your own definition.

I feel comfident than when people aren't sitting around some philosophy forum trying to think of what success means that when used in daily conversation they mean something pretty similar to what I wrote about - a successful person is someone who is happy with their life and able to obtain the material things they desire.  I don't think that is very controversal. But if you want to come up with alternative views, pelase, by all means, put them forth in that thread,.

on Dec 15, 2004
Independent1 - liberal and conservative in US politics bears little resemblance to their dictionary definitions

Of course they don't but my point is conservativism in US politics today has no more to do with "being your own man" than liberalism.
Maybe the growing population of Independents are actually the the ones who carry the value of "being their own man"?
on Jul 31, 2006
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