Enroll them in Karate or some other martial art if they are interested,

I couldn't agree more. I don't even have any belts, but I did study some martial arts for a while (ninjitsu and karate) and the little I gained from it increased my confidence immeasurably. Not to mention the benefit of exercise. If you have never studied any martial arts then I can't even begin to describe it, but it changes your whole world view.

Quote from riazlongi(Anonymous User):

"Have you guys ever thought about as to why the western societies keep producing bullies whether it be in schools or at government level. Think about the reasons and the solution will automatically come to you"

Okay Genius, Mr. Einstein. Tell us then, why? Perhaps because America is the dominant society in world right and pretty much have been since the US Cival War or at least since WWI. Even though every time America 'bullies' some other country, it is because the other country cannot control Genocide like Rawanda or Darfur. Well, maybe not all like that, after all we do covet the Middle East's Oil.

For Draginol, how very true!.

For Jill. You hit it right on the spot.

For everyone else, also tell your son, after the kid doesn't bully him any more, if he sees him bulling someone, that he should step in and stand up for the other person being bullied. If more people did this, then the world would be a better place.

BTW, Saddam was a bully.

My son has already taken a Tai Kwon Do (sp?) class so we're with you guys there in terms of teaching him to be confident in his own physical abilities.

Bear in mind, he already has told the teacher about what is happening (and my son is not a tattle-tale, so if he went to the teacher it was serious). And the teacher did a lame "tell Alex you're sorry" to the bully.

My wife volunteers a lot for the school. It'll come up that our standing policy on bullies is for our son to defend himself. What's the worst they're going to do? Suspend him? He's in second-grade, not an issue. And at that point we would definitely have a..discussion with the principal and teacher.

I'm generally pretty disappointed with just how lame the school is. A few weeks ago, my son was sent to the principal's office for drawing a picture of a wrecking ball wrecking the school. He saw it on a cartoon (not that they asked) and thought it was funny. But as part of their "no tolerance" policy they sent my 2nd grader son to the principal's office for a lecture.  Yet, what is the school's response to a bully who's pushing my son down and kicking him in the head and stomach? To make him say "sorry".  Why not send the kid who's actually violent to the office?

BTW, Saddam was a bully.

No he was not...he was just misunderstood and needed a time out.

A few weeks ago, my son was sent to the principal's office for drawing a picture of a wrecking ball wrecking the school.

Yeah cause your son might steal a wrecking ball and use it on the school....Yet a bully who is attacking your son, and lord knows who else's child is allowed to roam free without any realistic sort of discipline. Gotta love the education system.

Consider the facts that thefirst americans were the convicts who came with columbus and they were bullies, then the non conformists of the old world flocked there to escape the normal people,cutthroats, brigands,convicts escaped to american shores to avoid punishment. heretics also went there to escape.
All in all the society became what the people were. various mafias emerged to bully people, they bullied the indians of their land. the southern half bullied the african slaves and the presentlot of the afro-americans has not changed.
the genes of these people are still there and cannot be changed.

bullies inherantly are cowards, brad as you stated, some common sense to have your child defend himself is a good thing, a strong thing, you give good advice to your child.

good parenting awards to you and mrs user.

I was a slight kid growing up and had my fair share of the bullies trying to thump on me. My father (A Marine who's footsteps I followed) told me "son you've been taking Karate and Tae Kwon Do for close to 7 years, what did they teach you in those classes?" I replied "they said that martial arts were to discipline the mind and body and to never use them for bad." he said to me "that's correct, they are to be used for discipline..... but not just yours. If someone refuses to let you live your life free from physical harm then it's your responsibility to make sure you discipline their body as well. Just make sure you discipline them enough that they don't get up till you've left the area." I heeded that advice and lo and behold I've been bully free since...... I even have the small claim to fame of kicking two horrible brother's asses at the same time and then their mother almost getting her's whooped by my mom. Enroll your son in a Karate class but make sure you get the message right, which from what I can tell you'll have no problem. "violence begets more violence, but if you're the second violence then you're justified"

Reply By: riazlongi(Anonymous User) Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2005
Consider the facts that thefirst americans were the convicts who came with columbus and they were bullies, then the non conformists of the old world flocked there to escape the normal people,cutthroats, brigands,convicts escaped to american shores to avoid punishment. heretics also went there to escape.
All in all the society became what the people were. various mafias emerged to bully people, they bullied the indians of their land. the southern half bullied the african slaves and the presentlot of the afro-americans has not changed.
the genes of these people are still there and cannot be changed.

Hey there retard (riazlongi)
If i'm not mistaken the "convicts' that were cruizing the open oceans with colombus were anything but. Most of them were traders and business types with family looking for ......gee I don't know the f*ckin West Idies maybe? hence we called the tonto's that we found (india)ns. I believe you're thinking of Australia when talking of brigands and cutthroats(it was a British penal colony after all) and while it's no doubt that a few bad apples may have made the journey here the founding fathers weren't running from the law but from mediocrity (nothing ventured nothing gained). We were founded under the principles that no man should suffer oppression(read bullying) from the royal crown and that we were a freen and soveriegn people.
Now these various mafias that emerged weren't contained to our shores. There is ample evidence and outright proof that mafias exist in all countries in all continents around the world(including antartica ask the penguins..... bastard killer whales) and these mafias did not originate here but were expanded from these "host" nations to our blessed shores.
We also recognize our faults and the hipocracy of the way "we" treated the native americans and the slaves while claiming equality for all men. We made some reparations to those groups for the crimes commited against them, maybe more are due but that is not for me to decide. For you to say that the "lot of the African Americans has not changed" is but further evidence that you are nothing more then an Emu with your heard burried in the sand and an IGNORANT unread Emu at that. The African and Native American communities would take great offense to your notion that they're nothing more than rock'em sock'em dolls for the "white man". The last time I read the news paper it wasn't Americans blowing up trains(Spain march 04) and killing school kids(Russia 04) to make known some grievances. We are a family here, and like family we can get into a bit of a fight with each other. But in the end we kiss and make up. Now it's when someone outside the family comes and tries to start some shit that our true love for one another shows. (quit startin shit, dick)
One thing that America has always been at the forefront of is recognizing and rectifying our own mistakes. We take pride in leading the world in the right direction and we've been pretty damn good at it. Again we've made mistakes and we readily admit to them when recognized but the last thing that should be uttered from your "I hate America" lips is our faults. We're one of the newest kids to arrive on the block and for all the attrocities commited around the world by all the different nations for any of them to criticize us seems like petty jealousy and nitpicky bullshit meant to take the shine off your own indescretions. oh and for us to be filled by bullies we sure do have an awful lot of people trying their damndest to get here to make a better life for them and there's. By the way I'm native so dont get all uppity about my use of tonto and I didn't mean to offend any mentally or physically handicapped people by lumping them in with this jackass. Please forgive me I was wrong...... heh heh i proved my point just now.
I'm no bully but......... I'll kick your ass

Personally, I think that bullies should be charged with assault and battery. If the school officials are too brainless and wimpy to handle the problem, take it out of their hands.

Last I checked, hitting another person isn't just an infraction of school policy, it's a felony.

I dont know why but schools seem to be like that...they look over the problems. Personally, what you told your son to do is the right thing. He needs to defend himself no matter what happens and as long as he doesnt start it...the better for him

~Live Life to the Fullest~
Ns38

wait... are you saying that he can hit the other kid as long as he is the same size??? Does e still go to the teacher after defending himself?

Consider the facts that thefirst americans were the convicts who came with columbus and they were bullies, then the non conformists of the old world flocked there to escape the normal people,cutthroats, brigands,convicts escaped to american shores to avoid punishment. heretics also went there to escape.All in all the society became what the people were. various mafias emerged to bully people, they bullied the indians of their land. the southern half bullied the african slaves and the presentlot of the afro-americans has not changed.the genes of these people are still there and cannot be changed.

Aside from the fact your entire argument is factually in error...big time....putting that aside...by what you wrote...are you saying bullies are born...as in a genetic trait? Give me a f'ing break. By the way....the idea behind the concept of the mafia is Chinese..not Italian...just a bit of fact. I hate morons like this.


Drag....you have set you child on the proper path.....thats the sign of a true parent....good for you...

I was a really skinny kid when I was growing up. Though that was because I had a very compact frame and muscle structure, so I was stronger than I looked. Because I looked so small people thought they could pick on me. It wasn't until middle school that I stood up for myself. In 7th grade I have 3 encounters with bullies. It was the last year anyone ever picked on my physically.

The first one was much larger than I was. He rode my bus and would constantly push me out of my seat, toss my bookbag around, punch me etc. Finally one day I had enough and went for him. He had continued to push me as we walked into the school. Now I've always been non-violent and took the "just ignore them" approach. I got sick of it, turned to him, literally threw him into the wall, walked over and held him by the throat against it. Held him there and told him to never touch me again. He didn't. He ran off crying.

The second one was interesting because it all happened in front of teachers. We had a TV in our homeroom and watched news and such in the morning. One kid was addicted to Gilligans Island and would literally throw a fit until we gave in and let him watch it. One day we decided to switch it on him, but he always stood blocking the TV controls so we couldn't do it. I distracted him by asking some question while someone else changed the channel. He shrieked and lunged for me, I side stepped him and he ran head first into a wall. He came at me again, I side-stepped and spun him around... he ran head first into the wall again. I told him to chill out and back off. He came at me again so I held him against the wall and sent my elbow to his forehead and once again said to chill out. The teacher was in the room the whole time and watched. Never said a word (it was obvious I was defending myself). Later in the day he walked up behind me and kidney punched me. I spun around and clocked him and went back to my work. Once again, teacher saw, did nothing as it was self defense and I wasn't pursuing it beyond getting him to leave me alone.

Third time was from a problem student the administration had been having issues with for a long time. He was walking and wasn't looking where he was going (I was standing still in a wide open space) and walked into me. Pulled out a foot long rubber hose and started whipping me across the face with it. I couldn't defend myself in this case as his cronies held me down. I went hom with my face smashed to hell. As soon as my mom got home, we went to the police station and filed an assault charge. The kid was evicted from the school district as a result and had to go live with his other parent in another state to be allowed back into a public school.

Don't take shit from bullies. If you can, fight back only until they stop attacking you. If you can't fight back, screw the teachers, the other parents (who will say you must be lying because their sweet perfect angel wouldn't do something like that) and all that and go straight to the police and file an assault charge. Doesn't matter how old the kid is, nail him!

who was the crackpot that ordered the only two atom bombs to be used on japan. i guess your media would be telling you that it was a third world country.
anyway it seems you have an appointment with your shrink thats what all you guys do.