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The pain that is JoeUser sometimes
Published on February 27, 2004 By Draginol In Blogging

Sometimes running a blog site is almost not worth the effort. I can see why so many blog sites are moving to charging money to use them. The amount of technical support I'm starting to receive in email from users is becoming problematic.

What's worse, is that an increasing number of people are demanding technical support responses that are simply not realistic in something that we are providing for free.

Let me give you an example.  Someone named "Andrew" emailed me a couple of days ago:

I searched for my name (Name withheld) using Google and there were exactly 203 results (narrowed down to just JoeUser.com, 194 results). I would like to have my name removed from those pages immediately! This means that JoeUser has personal information about me (name) and I would like to have that deleted, or at the very least, not openly available to the public.
 

I couldn't figure out what exactly the issue was. How did we get personal information on him? Why would we be listing personal information on him? Remember, at this point he hasn't told me he has a blog. He's just some guy who emailed me telling me that we're giving away his personal information. Perhaps someone on the site was talking about him. So I started looking and eventually asked back "Do you have a blog here?"

To which I get:

Yes, I did create a blog on JoeUser because of a recommendation from a friend, and I have to admit I now regret that decision. What I did not expect was that my name would appear 194 times on JoeUser.com. When I requested to have my account terminated, I assumed the problem would be fixed, but I was wrong. I respectfully suggest you contact Google and find a solution to this mess.

So he created a blog here using his name. When he created the blog, his name got put into the index and other top user lists and that sort of thing (since he used his name for his blog and his user name). So every person's page here would have his name cached at some point even for a day or two. He terminated his blog so his blog is gone. But of course, Google and other search engines will keep that information around a long while. That is the nature of the Internet.

So I wrote him back explaining as much. I also pointed out that I didn't really appreciate his tone on this. We're providing a free site. We don't charge him a thing. He's not some sort of "Customer". We can try to help him within reason but there's no way we're going to get in touch with Google and demand that they somehow do something special to clean out a particular person's name. For crying out loud, we're talking about just his name. No contact information. No email address. Just his name.

So I got this back today:

The reason my name appears on JoeUser is because I created a blog with my name as part of the blog? Then my name should appear on the blog itself only, nowhere else. The blog has been deleted, but my name still remains on several JoeUser pages. Why do you think Google would return invalid search results or link to URLs that no longer exist? All I'm asking you to do is remove my name from every page on JoeUser.com and remove it from a search engine, nothing else. That is not "a considerable amount of work". If someone took your name, put it on the Web 194 times without your permission and refused to take it off when requested, would you be mad? Without compensation? I have a good reason to be angry with you and JoeUser, you don't need nor deserve compensation of any kind. Have you actually removed my name from your pages and just have Google to deal with or are you not doing anything about it? I respectfully suggest you find a solution to this mess.

Talk about incredible. It's as if someone just woke up, got out of their cave and jumped on the Internet one day without having even the most basic understanding of it and created a blog. His blog is gone. It's not on our pages. But he doesn't seem to understand how search engines work. They make a copy of everything that's on the net and search that. Once you're on the Internet in some way, your name is going to be somewhere.  If I write the words "Altarian Cream Boogers", sure enough, in a few days, Google will find this page if you type in Altarian Cream Boogers in quotes. And it'll likely be there for a long time, possibly forever, even if I remove the page.  Type in "Brad Wardell" into Google and you'll get pages and pages of websites that I'm mentioned on without having given them permission necessarily. That is the nature of the Internet.

But I don't mind explaining that to someone. What I do mind is the attitude. Look at what that guy wrote. He demands that I go and do a bunch of work for him at the same time saying how he has every right to be angry with me. For what? What did I do? Because I let stupid kooks on the site? We don't have a stupid kook filter unfortunately.

And how I don't need or deserve compensation? He's asking me to do him a favor. I'm not saying that he should have to pay for that, but that there's only so much free time I have available to help him. If he was a "Customer" (i.e. someone paying for a service) then he would have more of a point. But he doesn't. He's just some guy who came on to use our blog not understanding how the Internet works and now wants to be a royal pain.

I wrote him back saying that since he's going to be rude he can just go away. I've been through this over the years so many times that I know that the next email is going to have the legal threat. It'll go something like this: "If you don't do what I respectfully request I will have to get in touch with my attorney."  The legal threat. Which I promptly just forward on to the legal people. We have lots of lawyers. And we have insurance. So bring it on, buddy. Of course, he hasn't done that yet. But it's inevitable. People like this are pretty predictable.

But now you have a taste of why so many sites end up being pay sites. I'm thinking we may be able to prevent that by putting together a community support system where people who get stuck can write in a support forum and other people can help them out. We have something like that for Object Desktop and users helping users has helped keep what would otherwise be a $89.95 product (what we used to have to sell it for on OS/2) down to $49.95 instead.

In the meantime, people need to realize that this site is something we're basically doing for fun. It doesn't make money. The little google ad on the right pays something like $6 per day. That doesn't even pay for the bandwidth let alone the other stuff.  We can do it indefinitely as long as it doesn't become a financial burden. But when people start demanding unreasonable things, it sucks the fun out and creates a great deal of overhead.


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on Feb 28, 2004
I'm a low-down dirty bastard. I would have to wave bubye to Joeuser if it wasn't free. (I'm supercheap and have to pay for my wincustomize habit)

I wanna see how I rank without ever officially writing a blog, just commenting.
on Feb 28, 2004
I really enjoy this site, too! It's growing. But what can the person expect when they use their actual name? That's why they have aliases on the 'net. The nerve of people.
on Feb 28, 2004
Not very well, you don't even have a thousand points yet.

Brad, I'm in need of some instruction regarding blog groups. Could you direct me to a place where you give that information, or maybe write an article about it? Or even write me an e-mail... you know the address. Thanks.

~Dan
on Feb 28, 2004
Dear Brad,

You may recall that in my takeover bid I proposed that users would pay an annual fee. This is clearly the direction the site needs to move in. If users were charged you could afford to pay for peasants to carry out your demands while you simply give your orders. This is the way I operate my organisations and I find it leaves me with much time to relax and solve many of my corporations problems with my experienced business brain. I am like a General on the business battlefield. I would not mind paying for this site, and indeed perhaps a fee would give the designers the resources to get rid of the amateur look of the site. Roll on annual fee and roll on internet greed! Perhaps you will make a profit. In the mean time threaten this boy who is E-mailing you with swift legal action and if he continues after this; threaten to damage him physically. If you have money these things can be made to happen. I've lost count of the number of business rivals I have had assaulted over the years!

Sir Peter
on Feb 28, 2004
keep up the brilliant work
(PS : feature request : a button to list all articles that have unanswered comments)
on Feb 28, 2004
Here you go:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Altarian+Cream+Boogers%22
on Feb 28, 2004
Sir Peter, don't despond to Brad's blogs anymore. I like your stuff, but not that much.

Keep up the good work.

~Dan
on Feb 29, 2004
I have 992 points, dang it..that's sad enough, thank you
on Mar 01, 2004
Sir Peter Maxwell, you so craaaazy.
on Mar 01, 2004
I ain't paying, Brad's already milked me dry
Brad, hang in there mate, "we" have been through worse over the years, I wish I still had all the posts from the WB newsgroup when it went 1.0
on Mar 01, 2004
Altarian Cream Boogers. Listed in Google. Oh, that was too much. Thanks for the laugh Brad. And keep up the good work.
on Mar 01, 2004
...why isn't Brad posting anymore? I have seen anything from him in quite some time. Did I miss something?

~Dan
on Mar 02, 2004
Had a hard drive crash. Still recovering from it.
on Mar 02, 2004
Man, I'm sorry... that's rough.

~Dan
on Apr 12, 2004
My heart goes out to you, after reading how ungratful some people can be. But, don't let them get you down. When I was young, I learned a little poem that goes like this - Time heals all wounds, and wounds all heels!
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