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Are you out there?
Published on March 8, 2004 By Draginol In Philosophy

Whether you’re talking to a right-wing nut or a left-wing zealot, they will insist that their opinions are in the mainstream. No one ever thinks that they are somehow out of touch with everyone. They’re not extreme. Everyone else is – particularly those who disagree with them.

 

Who, exactly, is the arbiter of far left or far right? The answer is: Everyone else. By definition, you’re a right-wing or left-wing extremist if your positions on various issues are in conflict with the views of the majority nearly all the time.

 

Occasionally I’ll get some email from someone insisting I’m a right wing extremist (and sometimes I get accused of being a liberal nut).  But statistically, I’m pretty much in the middle. A little right of center overall. What makes people react to what I write is because I tend to intentionally make use of terms and words to incite a reaction out of readers – if everything I wrote was mild and politically sensitive my articles would get pretty dull.

 

But how do you judge whether you’re out of the mainstream? Depends on where you are.  In the United States there are a few stats I can think of the top of my head (stats from various national polls). Score yourself:

 

1)      Are you religious?

a.       Yes (90% of people are)

b.      No, I’m an atheist or agnostic (10%) (L:5)

 

2)      Are you in favor of capital punishment?

a.       Yes in certain cases (70%)* (C:2)

b.      No, it’s always wrong (30%) (L:4)

*Watch for statistic manipulation on this issue, you can find stats where it’s nearly 50/50 but it depends on where the poll was taken and how it is phrased. Most Americans support capital punishment in at least certain circumstances.

 

3)      Do you support the right for women to choose to have an abortion?

a.       Yes in all cases (20%)* (L:5)

b.      In some cases (60%)

c.       No, it’s always wrong (20%) (C:5)

*Watch for statistic manipulation on this issue, you can find stats where it goes the other way but it depends on where the poll was taken and how it is phrased. Most Americans support capital punishment in at least certain circumstances.

 

4)      Do you think the US should have gone to war in Iraq even now?

a.       Yes (65%) (C:1)

b.      No (35%) (L:2)

 

5)      Do you support the US “War on Terror”?

a.       Yes (80%) (C:1)

b.      No (20%) (L:3)

 

6)      Do you think Bill Clinton should have been impeached?

a.       Yes (40%) (C:2)

b.      No (60%)(L:1)

 

7)      Do you think the US should drop out of the UN?

a.       Yes (10%) (C:5)

b.      No (90%)

 

8)      Do you feel about US social policies?

a.       We should cut all federal social programs (5%) (C:6)

b.      We should cut most federal social programs (10%) (C:4)

c.       We should keep it about the same

d.      We should provide universal healthcare (20%)  (L:3)

e.       Agree with D. and We should put cap on how much income one can make with additional income taxed at greater than 70%) (L:6)

 

9)      Do you think there should be prayer in school?

a.       Yes (25%) (C:5)

b.      No (75%)

 

10)  Do you support tax cuts that are equal for all income brackets as a percentage?

a.       Yes (55%) (C:1)

b.      No (45%) (L:2)

 

 

This isn’t scientific and the polls are not exact percentages (as you can find polls to back up whatever finding you want to have). Take it for what it is.

 

So here’s the table:

The range is 28 on the liberal side to 28 on the conservative side.

 

My score came out to be Conservative 6 points. That's because I'm conservative on fiscal issues and somewhat liberal on social issues. As we work on The Political Machine, we'll have a much better handle on people's views on these issues and I'll try to put something together that's a bit more useful.

 

This is just something I whipped up for fun in a few minutes. It’s not conclusive and it’s possible to be a radical and have a low score since some people are radical in just certain issues.


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on Mar 08, 2004

Just a couple other points:


To find out whether you're really far out you can add these bonus questions:


1) Do think Bush or (his friends) had anything to do with 9/11?
a) Yes (L:10)
No


2) Do you think that the government is using money to secretly identify us?
a) Yes (C:10)
No


3) Do you think the government is planning to make all citizens register their fire arms?
a) Yes (C:5)
No


4) Do you think that the invasion of Afghanistan was related to getting an oil pipeline built for "Bush's oil buddies"?
a) Yes (L:5)
No


5) Do you believe that wealthy Americans get out of having to pay their fair share of taxes due to "tax shelters"?
a) Yes (L:4)
No (C:1)


6) Do you believe that "The jews" control everything?
a) Yes (C:8)
No


Probably could keep adding to this indefinitely. Eventually people woudl get a pattern on which side of the coin they are on and how far they go down that path.

on Mar 08, 2004
3) Do you support the right for women to choose to have an abortion?

a. Yes in all cases (20%)* (L:5)

b. In some cases (60%)

c. No, it’s always wrong (20%) (C:5)

*Watch for statistic manipulation on this issue, you can find stats where it goes the other way but it depends on where the poll was taken and how it is phrased. Most Americans support capital punishment in at least certain circumstances.

I'm assuming this last line was a mistake and not a political statement? Other than that, I think you are dead on when you say that everyone wants to be seen as center.
on Mar 08, 2004
That's how I feel about people and politics. I think it's one of the main reasons why the two major parties are very similar (with some differences), and are supported by the majority of Americans, while the others are much more extreme with a smaller demographic.
on Mar 08, 2004
The government WAS using money to identify us, under the Total INformation Awareness Act (who's motto was "Knowledge is Power").  But that was beat down with some parts of it remaining in less obvious places.
on Mar 08, 2004
I found the wording of some of the questions to be biased such as " Do you support the right for women to choose to have an abortion?" The way this question is worded suggests that you are "wrong" if you believe that the unborn are people too who have the right to live.
on Mar 08, 2004
Tech Cat, it is exactly the same as saying "are you pro-choice?" That is what is always asked. I don't see a bias.

I agree that noone ever admits to being an extremist. I just find it weird how many people look at politics like they were born into a party. I was born catholic. My parents have always been Republican so I guess I am too. A lot of people just except those things and don't question them. I find that disturbing.
on Mar 09, 2004
Interesting few topics and answers.

How do you determine the conservative or Liberal values?

Also, in some of those questions more answers with lower scores could be interesting. For example, your bonus extreme question of 'do you believe 'The Jews' control everything' could easily have various levels of answers allowing expressions such as that the Jews have a large amount of influence for their polpulation size.

This reminds me of a classic 'Yes Prime Minister' episode where the exact same person can be made to support or oppose the same topic....

Sir Humphrey: "You know what happens: nice young lady comes up to you. Obviously you want to create a good impression, you don't want to look a fool, do you? So she starts asking you some questions: Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the number of young people without jobs?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Do you think there is a lack of discipline in our Comprehensive schools?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Do you think young people welcome some authority and leadership in their lives?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Do you think they respond to a challenge?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Would you be in favour of reintroducing National Service?"

Bernard Woolley: "Oh...well, I suppose I might be."

Sir Humphrey: "Yes or no?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Of course you would, Bernard. After all you told you can't say no to that. So they don't mention the first five questions and they publish the last one."

Bernard Woolley: "Is that really what they do?"

Sir Humphrey: "Well, not the reputable ones no, but there aren't many of those. So alternatively the young lady can get the opposite result."

Bernard Woolley: "How?"

Sir Humphrey: "Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Are you worried about the growth of armaments?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Do you think there is a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Do you think it is wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "Would you oppose the reintroduction of National Service?"

Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

Sir Humphrey: "There you are, you see Bernard. The perfect balanced sample."


paul.
on Mar 09, 2004
I think question 9 is poorly worded. I'd rephrase it thus:

Do you think prayer should be allowed in schools?

As the question stands ("do you think there should be prayer in schools") my answer is no, because you shouldn't be forced to pray.
With the other format, my answer is yes; you should be allowed to pray if you want to. Especially right before finals.
on Mar 09, 2004
If Conversatives were A and Liberals were Z on the scale...I'd be 42.

-Vive Le Lunaticus
Join the Chaotic Neutral Political Party!
on Mar 10, 2004
Are there "some people" out there plotting to take over the world?

The response is: yes, definitely… the only question that has ever truly mattered is not when… but HOW!

I sincerely wish I could refute this answer and join the rank of those thinking that it just is another wacky conspiracy theory. Human competitiveness will always depend on the IQ and thinking otherwise is like not willing to admit there are people smarter than you/us - out there. Is it okay to see a madman dreaming of world power in movies only? So, yes, it all comes down to naiveté or brainwashing, sorry no insult here but this has to be said and/or acknowledged once and for all. But in the same time, I would say that the human nature essentially is very peaceful and charitable, and it is its inherent tendencies that have been criminally, mortally betrayed.


UNDERSTANDING THE MADNESS OF INTERVENTIONISM
on Mar 10, 2004
It's possible to believe in God (and therefore not be an "atheist" or an "agnostic") but not consider yourself religious, so I consider the first question poorly worded.

I'm also not sure what it means to support or not support the "War on Terror." I support many facets of it but hate others.
on Mar 10, 2004
Bulboushead, you don't consider yourself religious therefore you would answer no. Either you are religious or not. It isn't poorly worded because there are a lot more religions than believing in God.
on Mar 10, 2004
Bulboushead, you don't consider yourself religious therefore you would answer no.


No, the question considers "I am religious" and "I am an atheist" to be opposites. "I am religious" is the opposite of "I am not religious," and "I am an atheist" is the opposite of "I believe in a God or gods." It is possible to believe in God and not consider yourself religious.
on Mar 11, 2004
Two can play at semantics.

religious - (adj) 1: relating to or concerned with religion or spiritual things; especially dedicated to service in a religion.

If you believe in deities or soul migration or an afterlife of any sort, you're religious. End of story.

I think the question is pointless anyway. Being an atheist does not make me 5 points less conservative. The fact that I don't believe in souls or gods doesn't say anything about my political beliefs (except that I most certainly don't support theocracy).

The left-right spectrum is pointless anyway. If you have to say things like 'fiscally conservative but socially liberal', then your terms need readjustment. There is absolutely no correlation between welfare-state advocacy and civil rights advocacy - a person can both vocally support gay marriage and vehemently oppose progressive taxation and wealth redistribution.

The only categorization that makes sense works on two axes (the political compass, among others) - collectivist/individualist and libertarian/authoritarian. If north is authoritarian and east is individualist, then a 'fiscal conservative and social liberal' falls in the southeast quadrant. John Lennon would be somewhere in the southwest corner. Hitler would also be left of the middle, although he'd be as far north as the scale will go. Stray from the center too much in any direction, and you can be considered a loon.

Personally, I must be a loon, because i'm one point away from the end on the individualist side.
on Mar 11, 2004
End of story.


Because you said so? [www.m-w.com] gives: religious: (adj.) "relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity." You can acknowledge the existence of a God or gods or goddesses while not manifesting a faithful devotion to him or her or them.
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