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I'm a culturalist
Published on February 12, 2006 By Draginol In Current Events

I have little patience for racists.  Most racists I encounter fall into two groups:

Group 1: People who are indoctrinated to be racists.  They grow up around racist people and become racist themselves. These are the people who will go to ridiculous lengths to "prove" that one race is "better" than another.

Group 2: People who confuse race with culture.  They'll say "Look at all those <insert racial group here> doing that? They're natural born <insert insult here>."  No. Not true. Not natural born. Perhaps a product of their culture but not of their genetic code.

To use an analogy, ones race is like the hardware of a person.  And while there are certainly minute differences between one race and another due to the pressures of natural selection over the past 100,000 years, those differences are not very significant.  Simply put, humans are remarkably similar genetically.

But culture is a whole different thing. Culture is like the operating system.  For example, if you take two identical personal computers and install two different operating systems on them, they will behave remarkably different. And on that point, I won't cower to political correctness and try to say all cultures are equal. They are not.

I don't even think it's a value judgment.  A culture's ability to produce happy, well adjusted people who live a long productive life has some subjectivity to it but not a lot.  If someone reading this wants to say "Well maybe misery and suffering is 'good' to some people? Who is to say that happiness, joy, physical health, and longevity are 'better'?"  To those people I say, go away and get a life. Let's be real.

Operating system debates are pretty common. MacOS vs Windows vs. AmigaOS vs. OS/2 vs. Linux and so forth.  And indeed, it gets hard to say that one is "better" in all ways than another. Few are.  But in the case of human culture, I don't think it's a MacOS vs. Windows XP type debate.  It's more like a MacOS vs. some machine whose running an OS that requires people to flip switches and put in punch cards.  The differences between some human cultures is so vast that it's pretty obvious that it's not geography or bad luck that caused the discrepancies. It's that their culture is holding them back.

Some cultures simply fail,  utterly, to produce happy, healthy, prosperous, productive people. 

When I see the behavior of the Islamic world, I don't think "Damn Arabs." I don't think there's any significant genetic difference. But I think at this point we can say that the Islamic culture, as a whole, has some serious problems.  It is not as good as other cultures. I mean that.  It's the Vic-20 of cultures. And I'm not just comparing them to the west.

There are several different major cultures on our planet:

  • American liberalism
  • European socialism
  • Japanese
  • Chinese
  • Indian
  • Russian Orthodox
  • Latin American
  • Islamic

These are just the largest ones that come to mind that have a specific identity. There are sub-cultures as well. African-Americanism, Latin American Socialism, Sub-Sahara African cultures, Eastern Europe Orthodoxy/Slavic which is quite different than European Socialism, Australian liberalism.  And even within these various groups, there are different modest differences.  I'm just pointing this out before someone jumps in with semantics and wants to list off the ones I mised.

Most of the major cultures have their pros and cons to them.  Just as we might debate whether MacOS is better than Windows XP, we can debate whether American liberalism, with its consumerism is better than European socialism with its economic stagnation.  Each has its problems.  So for the most part, debating the various major cultures is like trying to debate Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac and so forth.

But it seems to me that the Islamic culture stands out amongst them all as being the most problematic.  It has been this way for my entire life.  I can't remember a time in my 34 years of life where the Islamic World wasn't blowing up something, murdering innocencts, or lashing out at something.  And over what?  There are lots of theories as to why there are Muslim extremists who have a pattern of doing this kind of thing.  I can't think of any other cultures that so routinely and consistently use their people as ordinance. Muslims can't even claim to have suffered particularly harshly compared to other cultures.

My personal theory is that at some level, Muslims know that there is something wrong with their culture. That it fails to produce happy, healthy, prosperous people at anywhere near the rate of other cultures. And rather than trying to adapt (borrow features from) other cultures, it simply blames other cultures and lashes out.

The Muslim riots over the pictures of their prophet being in a Danish newspaper come across as more than just violent. They come across as infantile. A big temper tantrum from a culture that routinely cuts the heads off people, sets fire to the religious and national symbols of other cultures and nations, and intentionally murders women and children whose crime is that they are from a different culture.  If the Muslim world were an individual person, it would be a slow-witted spoiled brat child with psychotic tendancies.

I personally think the world would be better off if Islamic culture were to disappear -- entirely.  I definitely think that the human beings who inhabit the places that are dominated by that culture would be better off (the women definitely would be).  I can't think of a single contribution to the world that the Islamic world has provided in the past 500 years.  You have to go all the way back to the middle ages to find anything and how much of that was due to geography -- the Islamic world is centered around the fertile crescent where much of Indoeuropean civilization started from.

But as a practical matter, people won't stand up and say the obvious: Some cultures are not as good as others. They won't say it because you'll have unscrupulous politicians and opportunists tag those who say it as "Racist" even though race and culture are unrelated.  And because people won't say the obvious, they cannot move people to action.  A worldwide movement to put pressure on the Islamic world to knock it off and grow up would probably do some good.

While the other cultures continue to evolve and improve themselves, the Islamic culture stagnates and revels in hatred and violence.   So yea, you could say I'm a culturalist.  I think some cultures are more worthy than others.  I define "Better" in terms that I think are pretty universal for human kind. Happiness. Health. Longevity. Prosperity. Productivity. 


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on Feb 12, 2006
got corrupted from table. Sorry. [editor]
on Feb 12, 2006
Again, you are handicapping Islam by decades and centuries in order to make it seem equal to Western problems. The point here is that in Islamic culture the problems are mandates from God unless they are allowed to adjust what they think God wants for them.

Try offering that as an option in Saudi Arabia.
on Feb 12, 2006
Some bug happened here so I registered and now I got a better editor .

BakerStreet.
I only now saw that you are from USA. I thought you were British and was about to mention what some Irish friends thought about British culture .

About the protesters. No. No Danes have killed any Muslims but so far no Danes have been injured either. It could happen but it would still
be fanatic brainwashed people behind it.

But you are saying "There's no violence from the Extreme right"? Then you should brush up on your contemporary history because we've had lots of
such violence targetted at not just muslims but immigrants in general by those elements. There was even an article in some US magazine which warned about
tourism in Europe when it was really bad.

And yes. The extreme left are also capable of doing damage. If you remember the scenes from Gothenburg (EU meeting) a few years ago. Or Genoa etc.
Mass hysteria and violence is after all something which is possible in all Cultures, given the right circumstances.

Note also that none of the protests in Sweden or Denmark called for any deaths (well at least none that Media cared to show).

I fully understand the sentiments behind defending free press and I personally would have felt much better about it
if American press released those pictures first. I even wonder if the muslim World wouldn't have reacted differently, had it been US press. USA does
not carry the heavy baggage of facism that Europe does. History as you put it.

Why? Because it's inevitable that everytime these conflicts arise in Europe. There's this brown stain that goes with it(due to our wonderful culture). So those of you
who applaud a potential conflict with Islam. Beware that wiping muslims from the map is only part of the agenda for these groups. In the end, everyone will
be a loser. The extreme right is already on the march in Denmark (18% latest poll).

Fight Islamic facism? Yes. But please try to fight ALL facism thank you.

Since you mentioned Saudi Arabia. Isn't that exactly what the problem is about? Dictatorship. A democratic islamic country is probably just as capable of developing a "nice" culture
as any other. Like in Bosnia for instance. A country on it's way back and still fully democratic.

We could also discuss why it was that countries like Saudi Arabia came to be in the first place, since you are not English I wont blame you .

marcus



on Feb 12, 2006
Unbelievable.

To disrepect an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is one thing.

To ignore the entire situation surrounding that society is another.

If you can discuss the Arab culture, and Arab acts, without bringing America into the discussion, and without bringing Israel into the discusssion, then you have really not discussed anything. You've given your very un-objective opinion. There is a war going on, but it's quite clearly not the war the US would have you believe is going on. The war is ages old, and it's Arab-Israeli in nature. The fact that the United States has injected themselves into this war, fighting on the Israeli side is the issue.

It is much more to me like the past Irish conflicts with their mother country. One people is pushed so far down that they have no legitimate means to fight back, so they fight back in any way they can. At some point you do that, or you just give in.

And before you accuse me of being a racist, or heaven-forbid, an Arab sympathizer, I am an American (a very ashamed american), who is Irish by descent.

I find your opinions to be typical of blogs however... Personal Opines gussied up to sound like facts. Very Sad, I must say
on Feb 12, 2006
Unbelievable.

To disrepect an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is one thing.

To ignore the entire situation surrounding that society is another.

If you can discuss the Arab culture, and Arab acts, without bringing America into the discussion, and without bringing Israel into the discusssion, then you have really not discussed anything. You've given your very un-objective opinion. There is a war going on, but it's quite clearly not the war the US would have you believe is going on. The war is ages old, and it's Arab-Israeli in nature. The fact that the United States has injected themselves into this war, fighting on the Israeli side is the issue.

It is much more to me like the past Irish conflicts with their mother country. One people is pushed so far down that they have no legitimate means to fight back, so they fight back in any way they can. At some point you do that, or you just give in.

And before you accuse me of being a racist, or heaven-forbid, an Arab sympathizer, I am an American (a very ashamed american), who is Irish by descent.

I find your opinions to be typical of blogs however... Personal Opines gussied up to sound like facts. Very Sad, I must say
on Feb 12, 2006
(Sorry, was trying to fix the messed up quotes from one of marcus's posts so someone won't get their post deleted. Isn't working. As an aside, if we could get the quoting feature done with CSS instead of tables, I don't think this would happen. I think it is #31 if an admin wats go go in and fix it.)
on Feb 13, 2006

Wow David, nice job on the reading comprehension.

I wasn't aware that a culture had feelings to be hurt.  This isn't about nationalist politics.  It's about cultures and what they produce.  Please read articles before jumping into "Wah" mode.

on Feb 13, 2006
what is the basis (other than adherence to religious dogma) for grouping into a single culture peoples living on islands in southern asia with desert dwellers in the middle east? do malaysians and indonesians have anything in common with saudis or kuwaitis except islam?
on Feb 13, 2006
" what is the basis (other than adherence to religious dogma) for grouping into a single culture peoples living on islands in southern asia with desert dwellers in the middle east? do malaysians and indonesians have anything in common with saudis or kuwaitis except islam?"


I'm thinkin that Brad is referring to those aspects of Islam that they do have in common.
on Feb 13, 2006
I'm thinkin that Brad is referring to those aspects of Islam that they do have in common.


It's not very much if so, and certainly the most tenuous linkage of any on his list. Whilst there are some Muslim organisations in Indonesia that could be considered similar to those in the Middle East, they're not numerically significant. SEA is a very secular region of the Muslim world, and the political Islam movements are extremely weak in nearly every country. Aceh is the only part I can think of that practises Sharia, and it's most notorious for being seperatist.

There are of course numerous terrorist groups operating in the region, but then again if that's the link SEA may as well be combined with Latin American culture. I think the region deserves its own cultural label, but it's not really significant anyway, unless Draginol wanted to make some backhanded point about the inferiority of Islam as a group of 1.3 billion humans.
on Feb 13, 2006
I don't think he'd claim it is any more inferior than those parts of Christianity that stolidly refuse to question or update the doctrine that becomes blatantly outdated and detrimental. For instance, Christians who still believe that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church, or that witches should be burned.

I respect the amish, but if Christianity as a whole functioned as such, where would we be? Granted, there are those within Islamic culture who have rationalized the change necessary to exist in a modern world. You have to admit, though, that while sects like the Amish are the smallest fraction of Christianity, entire nations are ruled by dark-ages Islamic law.
on Feb 13, 2006

I only now saw that you are from USA. I thought you were British and was about to mention what some Irish friends thought about British culture .



But you are aware of the similarities in the Bible, Quaran and Torah?


Marcus, I like you. But you are new here.

Those of us who have known each other for a while obviously know where we all come from and thus tend to assume that it is clear to everyone.

I, for example, was born in Berlin, Germany (the largest Turkish city outside Turkey) and now live in Dublin, Ireland.

And I would tend to think that I know a lot more about the similarities in Torah, Bible, and Qur'an than you seem to assume. I read the Torah, the Christian Bible, and the Qur'an in English, the Christian Bible in Luther's original German translation as well, and I understand some Hebrew. I also learned Latin in school. (Incidentally, I learned Latin together with my Turkish class mates.)

My name is Andrew Brehm, my Web site is www.netneurotic.net. Nice meeting you.
on Feb 13, 2006
Good heavens. Just logged on to this forum, and find this all quite surprising... Several people (i.e. Marcus, Kingbee) have tried to point out the obvious but seemingly people can't take it on board...

1. Islam is a religious faith, it comprises many different groups who are seperated by nationality, ethnicity, and sub-denominations (Shiaa, Sunii). It cannot and should not be regarded as a 'culture', to be compared with 'Western' culture (whatever that is).

2. If you describe a culture as good or bad, worthy or unworthy, advanced or primitive you are making a biased value judgement. Firstly because you are generalising and ascribing a set value to a culture which may include variations within that culture, and secondly because you can only make an observation regarding the culture from the vantage point of the observer i.e. from a perpsective which will be influenced by your observational standpoint, your opinions.

3. Culture will always include variations of attitudes, beliefs and behaviours which may be commented on as good or bad by members of that culture and those who do not identify themselves with that culture. Might it not be more useful to return to the values which are more highly thought of (this too is debatable) i.e Happiness. Health. Longevity. Prosperity. Productivity (and Social inclusion?) as something by which we should first examine our own cultures to ensure we meet those exacting standards, before we begin to look down our noses at something we perceive, over the fence, as 'less good'...

on Feb 13, 2006
Thanks for the welcome Leauki,

Had it been anyone else but Brad who posted this I probably wouldn't bother . But having read his posts
on Usenet and elsewhere for years I have allways seen him as a levelheaded debator (although somewhat different ideology than my own). I enjoy discussing with intelligent people, sometimes a luxury on the Net .

I fully understand that this article was meant to inspire a debate. My English grammar is somewhat handicapped but I'll do my best .

I'll just restate what I said before. It would have felt better if those toons were published in US press first. USA has a MUCH better way of dealing with minorities than Europe has. US learned it the hard way, Europe still has not.

So whenever these type of conflicts arise in Europe then I'm seriously frightened of the side effects. Which is my main point for replying.

I do NOT want to se some wholesale religious war. They are the nastiest type. And they allways spill onto those who arent even part of it.
You know the classic quote "First they came for the unionists etc".


marcus
on Feb 13, 2006
Avatar: religion is part of culture. There is an Islamic culture. The sub-groups within that culture are as diverse as the sub-groups within western culture.

Marcus:


I fully understand that this article was meant to inspire a debate. My English grammar is somewhat handicapped but I'll do my best .


So where are you from?



You know the classic quote "First they came for the unionists etc".


Yes, I know the quote. In fact I am again closer to the source than you think. Pastor Niemoeller's parish was Berlin-Dahlem, which is about three miles from where I grew up. I have been in (the current instance) of his church building.


First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


So when will we speak out?

They already came for the Jews. (They have tried.)

They came for the communists too, in Iraq and Syria and everywhere else where left-wing groups opposed the rise of Arab nationalism. But there were only few.

They are coming for European news papers now.

And we politely apologise.

When will we speak up?

Niemoeller's point was not that we must try and work with the aggressor. It was that we musn't.
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