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Experiences with Citalopram
Published on October 12, 2007 By Draginol In Medical Technology

Most people I've noticed don't do reviews on the prescription drugs they take.  Which is a shame because most adults at some point are on some sort of prescription drug and sharing their experiences with others could be very helpful.  This is particularly true with regards to drugs that are used to treat the myriad of mental disorders out there.

Before I was 21, I had never had any substance more heavy duty than an antibiotic.  I hadn't even consumed alcohol.  I have never tried smoking.  Throughout my 20s, the most experimental I got was drinking the occasional margarita while dining out.

But now I'm in my 30s and as an American, it is my God given right to feel perfect all the time in all ways. As any doctor will tell you, Americans tend to start to discover prescription drugs in their mid 30s. And by the time they're in their early 40s, they have either come to terms with whatever changes are occuring in them or they develop life-long dependencies on them that can lead to death.  Sometimes it is sooner (many famous men overdose on various types of drugs starting in their early 30s to early 40s). 

Many people start to really feel the bite of physical depression. That is, depression that has no known rational cause. It's not just about being in a bad mood. Depression is not the same as "I feel depressed".  It is different for different people.

Depression is often slow to be recognized. Denial is powerful. Usually, there is some triggering event that makes the person realize that they are feeling utter despair.

In my family, the trigger is usually the recognization of "is this all there is?".  This can lead to a sense of hopelessness and eventually utter despair in which nothing is enjoyable anymore.  A good way to tell if you have depression is if you sit down and itemize the things you generally find enjoyable and discover that none of them "taste" fun. 

In my case, it was that feeling of "taste" (this probably won't make sense to most of you) that was the key. I would list the things that brought me joy or fulfillment and none of them "tasted" fun anymore. This led me to discover the role of serotonin in regulating mood.

My situation is complicated that the feelings of despair were not constant. They were cyclical in which parts of the month I'd have what is called hypomania. The unique combination of temporary despair and hypomania in my peculiar circumstances were beneficial for most of my adult life.  Let me explain that below:

During the times of despair, I fully believed that if I simply accomplished a set of objectives that I would find the joy I was looking for.  Hypomania, by contrast, made me feel that I could accomplish anything I set my mind out to do.  Hypomania, in moderation, can be the catalyst for great success. And in my case, despair motivated me to make full use of the capabilities I had when I was in hypomania mode.

And so throughout my 20s and early 30s, I simply assumed that my moods had a rational origin. I felt despair simply because I had not yet accomplished my goals yet and simply needed to work harder. I didn't really understand how much of our behavior is controlled by brain chemistry. I believed my depression would go away once I had rational justification to be satisfied with my life.

So it is important to stress that physical depression is not rational.  If you lose your job or your wife leaves you or your dog dies and you feel depressed, that's rational and you will either get over it in time or you can seek counseling or therapy to work through the problems.  By contrast, physical depression is caused by something in your brain. It won't go away unless the chemicals in your brain change.

As someone who is happily married with 3 beautiful, healthy children. A wonderful and lovely wife; lots of friends; the ultimate dream job (I make computer games and desktop experience software); all the material comforts I could possibly want and a low stress lifestyle; etc., I knew if I wasn't in the land of joy, there had to be something else going on.  At some point, even a dullard such as myself could see that there was no rational origin to feeling despair.

And that made me take a hard look at my life: "I don't want to miss out on appreciating and enjoying my wife, family, friends and life that I have. It is time to do something."  And after a visit with my doctor led me to Celexa.

Now understand, I owe my material success to my pecular brain chemistry.  The certain belief that joy was around the corner if I simply accomplished more(tm) motivated me to work extremely hard and constantly work to improve myself.  And coupled with the magical hypomania with strong personal discipline gave me the capability to accomplish these improvements and objectives. 

Since college, self improvement has been a major goal. Self improvement would give me the skills necessary to accomplish the life objectives that I believed were the rational cause of my occasional feelings of utter despair.

Anyone who visits my home will probably notice almost immediately our "library".  I read a lot.  A book or two each week. History. Business. Anthropology. Biology. Physics. Self-Improvement (particularly in building empathy skills) and of course lots of Fiction.  It has not always endeared me to my extended family as some of them think I'm a know it all (not that they've said it but empathy is the closest thing I've found to a magical power -- if you build up your empathy skills and combine it with a reasonably objective mind you can practically read minds as long as you can see their face and body language but that's for a different discussion).

But like I said, at 35 having accomplished the major objectives I had set out to do and feeling only worse and worse, I knew that the feelings of despair weren't ratonal.

It is with this background I review the prescription drug Celexa. Celexa is one of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors that have come out in the past decade or so. They work by allowing your brain to keep more of the serotonin that is floating around your system. It is commonly believed that depression is largely caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain.

Celexa is a pill you take once a day. You have to take it every day.  If you don't, the effects will start to wear off.  You should not take it if you are bipolar as it can greatly affect your "manic" phases. 

Since I am somewhat bipolar (the hypomania part), I am not the ideal candidate for this.  But as individual adults, we have to decide for ourselves whether we can excercise the awareness and self-discipline to control manic aspects of our personalities.  My interest was in taking care of the despair. I would do my best to control the hypomania side. More specifically, what I have is called Cyclothymia (for those of you into this kind of thing). That is my self-diagnosis anyway.

My doctor has kept close tabs on this as I made him aware of this situation. When I first informed him that I have hypomania (after being on Celexa for 2 months), he asked me if I had done anything reckless? I responded "Well, not today. I just dropped off my mistress on the way here. Then I'm going back to the casino in the car I stole. I'm feeling lucky."  Suffice to say, you shouldn't joke about this because it is a serious issue -- if you are bipolar, SSRIs are not for you in general. Only you can judge if your manic phases are something you can control.

The Effects of Celexa

In the 5 months since I have been on Celexa I have noticed significant changes in my personality. Whether they are good or bad is very subjective.  Below are the changes I've seen:

  1. I am happier.  I am significantly more satisfied with life in general.
  2. I appreciate my kids and my wife significantly more.
  3. I have poorer impulse control than before (i.e. I will tend to do and say what I want, when I want).
  4. I have become significantly more materialistic. This is a change I don't particularly like. It's worth noting that in the 5 months I've been on Celexa I've purchased a Porsche 911 Turbo, got HDTV service, an iPod Touch, a very high end digital camera, a new 24-foot boat, a high end cell phone, and numerous other things.  These kinds of purchases would have been unthinkable a year ago even though I could easily have afforded them.  My friends would look on with amusement for years as I cheaped out on getting HDTV service and didn't even get a decent TV until my ancient 35 inch TV finally died.  Instead, I simply invested and invested and invested my earnings (literally saving the vast majority of my yearly income in various mutual funds, stocks, bonds, and other assets).
  5. My productivity is significantly lowered. Much of my success in life can be put towards my ability to do "un fun" things in a timely manner. Now, I'm much more like normals where I simply avoid doing things that aren't fun.
  6. I have to actually put effort into doing things that aren't fun. Whereas before, everything was equally fun or not fun so I had no problem doing the things that needed to be done because I didn't find those things "not fun".
  7. I have started listening to music more.
  8. My stress level is somewhat lower and more consistent.
  9. I'm a lot nicer to people.
  10. I'm a lot more candid to people - the hypomania is controlled but more present: I come across more conceited and smug (whereas before I might have come across more as an arrogant jerk instead).
  11. I'm more patient.
  12. I sleep a lot better.
  13. I have a harder time staying up and working, even when I need to.
  14. I'm less energetic overall.
  15. I'm a lot more social.

As you can see from those 15 things, there's some good and some not so good results.  The bottom line question is - is it better to be happy or capable?  Because that's the net result when you get right down to it.  My capability to do things is significantly less than it was but I'm a lot happier with life. If I had been on Celexa 10 years ago, there'd be no company, no big house, no vast investment portfolios, no summer lake cottage, etc.  But I probably would have been a better dad and husband.

Your mileage will vary.

 

 


Comments
on Oct 12, 2007
Interesting article, Brad. You're the closest thing to my mirror in personalities that I've found online, and while my issues with depression aren't identical to yours, they seem similar.

As a writer and a songwriter, I've chosen to "ride the beast". Basically taking the opposite tack. Unfortunately, my swings of despair have historically sabotaged much of my successes; it's only within the last few years I've learned to manage these cycles (I've ridden through a few low points in the last couple of years and the results have confirmed this).

I'm aware I could probably effectively increase my lifespan by using pharmaceuticals like this, my only question is, would the quality be worth it? For all of the negatives I can cite, I can honestly say I've lived a helluva full life.
on Oct 12, 2007
Do you think you'll continue with Celexa, or discontinue usage? I take it as well, until Monday anyway...we'll see what the new doctor has to say.

I think it works fairly well for me--it stabilizes my moods and makes me much more "even-keeled." I don't have much of an energy level (that issue needs to be addressed at the doctor's office on Monday as well), so I guess I'm not sure what effect Celexa has on that.

I was on it when I was younger, and now I've been on it for quite some time. I think the dosage needs to be adjusted or something, but out of all the anti-depressants I've used (and I've tried most of them out there...), Celexa has been the most effective and has had the least amount of side effects.

Good luck!
on Oct 13, 2007
Wow Brad, apart from our huge differences in accomplishment, you could have very well been describing me there.

I find it interesting that bipolar / hypomania can affect all kinds of people in all walks of life, and that it affects people in different ways. While some people's bursts of creativity and work lead them to success, others can be driven to swirling mental confusion and ruin, while others manage to stay somewhere inbetween. Although feeling off-kilter just doesn't feel good at all, how fortunate you are to be among those who've succeeded professionally. I, on the other hand, often feel like I'm on the way to mental confusion and ruin.

I'm on Celexa too right now. And Wellbutrin. The Wellbutrin seems to be doing most of the magic though.

We've got a lot in common. But you're more able to quantify it and describe it all. I envy that.
on Oct 13, 2007
I'm not familiar with Wellbutrin, what does it do?
on Oct 13, 2007
The only official-sounding information I can give you on Wellbutrin is what's on Wikipedia, or anything else you already have at your fingertips on the net, because I tossed out the informational paper they gave me when I picked up the prescription. But basically the information I was given was that it creates "feelings of well-being" and has also been shown to be effective with smoking cessation.

I've often wondered why there are so many different types of antidepressants, but I suppose it's because each one has slightly different properties, so people can experiment to find out which works best for them.

I'm using the Celexa for social anxiety, and I don't really know if it's helping. There are good days & bad days. My doctor's giving me the mildest meds right now because I'm still nursing our baby. Otherwise he'd be prescribing me much more serious stuff!

A word about Celexa from one who knows: The first time I took it (for a few months in 2001) a friend & I were having a moment of dark humor and he said I was so grumpy that I ought to up my dosage of those pills. In fun I popped two in my mouth instead of one. A while later I was slammed with a wicked headache & an overpowering dizzy spell. I had to lay absolutely still in bed for a few hours until it passed. If I so much as moved my eyes left to right the whole room would seem to spin around me at a million miles per hour. Ugh. I don't recommend ever messing with a dose.

May you eventually find the balance you're looking for. Good luck.
on Oct 13, 2007
Welbutrin is an anti-depressant that was the drug of choice for quitting smoking. it can also be given along with SSRIs and or even anti-psychotics. Mild but helps take the edge off your stress when quitting nicotine.

I love the casino statement. That sounds like the side effects for the new restless leg syndrome drugs. (Watch for reckless gambling and or sexual behaviors, these may occur.)
on Oct 14, 2007

I am so glad that you wrote about this.   Somehow knowing that someone who is successful is also dealing with this same issue lessens the stigma.  I was very wary of taking anti-depressants.  I was worried that I would become a "zombie" or basically someone who just doesn't care about anything.  Unlike you I didn't just decide I had a problem, I had to have a very dramatic incident that forced me to the doctor.   I severely cut myself on my arm multiple times requiring stitches and therefore medical intervention.

I am 36 and this was the first regular (daily) medication, I have ever taken.  I am just not a pill popper.  There are some people who seem to think a pill will fix anything and I have never been one of those.  I have been on effexor for 7 months now.  My doctor has been lowering my dosage which I think is good.  My husband doesn't like me being on it because he thinks it has changed me.  I do think it has made me calmer but it's definately not the magic happy pill.  I still  have good days and bad days but more good, so I guess that is the key.  I have occassionally missed my dose and then I get horrible, killer headaches which makes me dread getting off of them completely. 

on Oct 15, 2007
Good article. I agree, more people should review the medications they are taking. I liken this article to your Custom Lasik review. Too bad one of the medication's side-effects isn't compulsive podcasting...
on Oct 15, 2007
Surprised there aren't more comments on this one because I thought it was more interesting than most. Seemed like it ended up being about a lot more than what you sat down to write about. It's very personal and introspective. It's interesting how many of the things you are attributing to the Celexa I had no problem thinking were part of your permanent personality. I didn't notice the change in you, didn't know you were a save-half-your-income person before and not a new-red-car person.

Now there's some things in your list that might be from aging and not the drug (increased candidness, less drive). Makes me wonder, though -- if there's one thing in my life that's making me crankier and lazier, not a drug but something I don't realize is changing my personality.

When you look at that list it's kind of like -- what if they could make an anti-Celexa? If they made a pill that reversed all the 15 effects in your list and gave it to me -- maybe I'd be you! Doing the not-fun things, sleeping less, getting the work done.

Can you recommend any books about self-improvement for empathy? That might make a good post in itself since you find it so helpful, and it's not the kind of thing you expect to be able to improve by reading about it.
on Oct 15, 2007
I'd recommend it to anyone who HASN'T had any success with other treatments, I am in no way advocating that anyone currently taking meds to dump them and take up weed-smoking, and your doctor is NEVER going to recommend this. The reason for that should be pretty obvious. Just remember, these psychiatrists do not make much money on those they 'cure.' They make far more on those they keep sick, and the sicker you get, the more they make


See, this is what pisses me off about medical usage marijuana not being legal. It works for you, and it would probably work for millions of other people who experience the same sort of thing. Does it help ease your arthritis discomfort as well? Although my father's pain from terminal cancer was FAIRLY well-controlled with morphine, I wonder if the depression he suffered along with his illness couldn't have been eased more with marijuana usage, as well.

I wonder if there is any research about it being used to treat depression and other illnesses.

There's just too much *GOOD* that marijuana can do to not have it be available for those who could benefit from it.
on Oct 15, 2007
Your changes that you listed are actually quite similar to mine as well. I was actually on Celexa once for depression but my new doctor had recommended Lexapro to me instead (which is derived from Celexa). Life definitely seems better, and many inhibitions that I had are gone (which has helped a great deal socially as I'm not where near as shy as I used to be). But at the same time, it's hard to pull off all nighters and such when working on a project and I would say my productivity has gone down.

On the one hand my grades have dipped a bit, but on the other hand, life is more fun and I get a long with people more easily.
on Oct 17, 2007
I take Effexor XR, and have for over a year.  It's a SNRI, or serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.  It helps with my chronic pain and my OCD (I no longer have to check my curling iron to make sure it's unplugged 4 times before I leave in the morning, as an example).  However, like many metal illnesses, once you treat it, you start to realize that you relied on some of the perks of it.  Being OCD caused me to force myself to be more aware of everything all the time.  Some good, many bad.  However, to get rid of the "bad" I also had to sacrifice many of the "good".  But, in the end, it's been better.  And, even though I don't check my curling iron, my house has yet to burn down.
on Oct 25, 2007
i have cyclothymia as well as a few personality disorders. i avoid medication entirely. i found SSRIs made my manic periods entirely unmanagable. for myself the best treatment has been holistic. i exercise 3-5 times a week, and i aim for a healthy and balanced diet (including occasional indulgences): those two changes helped me cope with my depressions greatly, the exercise especially.

but that wasn't it, either. i forced myself to spend time on my many hobbies. i didn't force myself into a particular schedule, but i made it important. now i make myself sit down and paint or go shoot photos at least once a month. i invent something new in the kitchen about as often, and i took up gardening. when i first tried this on the advice of a friend, it seemed like a big nussance, but it's had a calming effect in the long run and gave me a great sense of perspective. when i ask myself, "is this it?", i can finally answer, without feeling depressed, "no, there's more; and maybe i can't have it now, and possibly won't ever have it, but the future's unwritten and i'm still alive."

that said, the single most important change i made was meditation. i really can't say enough about it. i've worked meditative practice into most of my other activities as well (martial arts make up about half my exercise, my artistic hobbies have become 'contemplative' practicies, and i take "mini zen breaks" at work). i'm not even sure how to explain the change. it's similar to the effects little-whip described with moderate amounts of marijuana. it's not that i can control my moods, but i feel like i understand them better, on a practical level. while i can't control my emotions anymore than i can control events in the world, now i don't have to let my emotions control me.

i still have bad moods and emotions i don't especially care for, but now there's space to breathe when i feel that way. the urgency in my moods is gone. because i accept my moods (and the world that seems to cause them), they pass more easily. i think prayer can do most of the same things, but i'm not religious.

just my take on personal mental well-being. cheers
on Oct 25, 2007
"My 'medication' costs me around five dollars a day."

Sounds like the beginnings of a Wal-Mart campaign - they do have over 300 prescriptions for just $4.
on Feb 06, 2009

Jy, cvs has the same deal and much better than walmart..... http://www.cvs.com