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Published on October 28, 2007 By Draginol In Politics

Often in debates you see Demcorats argue that we need to raise taxes in order to help society.

Hillary Clinton said it best:

“We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”

This is the kind of thinking one would expect from people who don't have the foggiest understanding of real-world economics.

First, some facts to begin with:

  1. The wealthiest income earners 10% pay the vast majority of the taxes (nearly 3/4ths of it).
  2. The wealthiest income earners work harder and consume far less than their means than on average. (see this Washington Post article for specifics)
  3. Our tax system punishes earned income while ignoring investment income and the "idle rich". (hence, we call it the "INCOME" tax).

According to Democrats running for President, we should confiscate the earnings of the most successful Americans and have the government spend it instead of them.  That's precisely how taxes work. We take earnings from one person and then have the government decide how those earnings will be spent instead.

The result is that we are left with a stark choice: Who do you think will make better use of a dollar?

It's a subjective question and I invite you to invest all of your subjective prejudices to the question. Who do you think will do more to benefit society with that dollar? Who do you think will generate the most properity with that dollar? Who do you think will help the poor most with that dollar? Who do you think will create the most jobs with that dollar? And so on.

Let's look at the "rich" and the government.  Make sure you've read the linked to article from the Washington Post. But if that's not enough, you can do your own research on the net as to the demographic info on "the rich" really is.  It's not unknown. Similarly, who decides how money is spent by the government is not unknown.

The case for the rich.  The highest income earners have already demonstrated the ability to take that dollar and turn it into many dollars. That is how their income is derived in the first place by definition.  They indisputably are able to generate wealth and use the money in ways that benefits society since their money must necessarily come from other people voluntarily purchasing a product, good, or service from them.  This creates jobs. Creates opportunities. Helps people across the entire economic spectrum.

The case for the government.  Congress decides where money is going to be spent. Congress is made up of 100 senators and 435 representatives.  Their qualification for making these vast decisions is that they were elected. Period.  Moreover, while the "rich" group includes millions of people making individual decisions based on very adapted circumstances, the government's arbiters number exactly 535 (536 if you include the President and his veto). Conservatives complain that politicians are incompetent and corrupt.  Liberals complain that politicans are bought off by "big business". In either case, there is absolutely no requirement that one of these 535 people have the slightest inkling of how economics works (as Hilary Clinton made obvious in her idiotic statement quoted at the start of this article).

If the rich make poor decisions with their money, they cease being rich.  If politicians make poor decisions with money, they simply ask for more money in the form of higher taxes.  In other words, one has an incentive to use money well, the other has an incentive to be wasteful with money.

So next time you see a politician argue that we need to take money from "the rich" in order to help society, think carefully about who is really helping society more.


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on Nov 09, 2007
As I mentioned before, in Germany the unemployed get free money from the government plus free health insurance and free heating in their flats (for which the state pays the rent anyway).

I just spoke to my mother in the phone. She is in Germany. She asked me whether I was in the office. Of course I was, I said. I am not unemployed. I cannot afford sitting in a warm flat all day; I have to work to pay for my health insurance and rent.

Social security has become utterly ridiculous, with some people working hard and others not working at all. Nevertheless, the non-working in Germany receive, for free, almost half as much as a normal (working) income. Why should they work if they can live off forcing other people to give them money? And the socialists demand more because they feel that the lazy non-working population is being exploited by those who could afford to give them so much more. But NOTHING is expected from the "poor" in return, nothing but consumption.

On my flight from Tel Aviv (I had studied in Haifa) back to Dublin (where I work) I stopped in Frankfurt. Waiting for the plane to Dublin I overheard a conversation of three Germans. From the conversation I learned the following about them:

  • They were unemployed.
  • The flight to Dublin was the beginning of their holidays.
  • Two of them had been unemployed for some time, one longer than a year.
  • One of them kept talking about a new mobile phone he wanted to buy first thing after returning to Germany after their holidays.


The victims of evil capitalist exploitation of the poor: not working, flying to Ireland for holidays, buying mobile phones.

Might I add that I cannot afford holidays? The little time I have I spent studying.

Why cannot those "poor" people study? They have the time. Are public libraries off-limits to them?
on Nov 09, 2007

Why not call it something else?

Politics.  30 second sound bites.  I have long maintained that what we call poverty is not.  It is the lower end of the bell curve and can be called poor - by the standards of the other 87% of the bell curve in the US - but is not poverty, and hardly poor by world standards.

It is just another bait and switch argument in the US.  The "poverty" line is defined on a bell curve, so lots of money is thrown (not spent, thrown) at it.  Yet in the last 45 years, that line has not moved.  Why?  because you cant move something that is DEFINED as the lower % of the earnings of the population!  But politicians dont say that (and never will).  Instead, they just keep demigoging the fact that more money needs to be thrown at it to lift those out of poverty - which will never happen because as soon as those under the line start earning more - the line is moved up.

on Nov 09, 2007
Basically, if next year, everyone got a $2 raise, the poverty line would move up $2 and the same people would still be impoverished. If everyone got a $100,000 raise, the poverty line would move up $100,000 and the same people would still be impoverished.
on Nov 09, 2007
the poverty line would move up $2 and


3 you forgot the increase in taxes
on Nov 09, 2007

3 you forgot the increase in taxes

Very true!  Not only would the poverty line move up, but they would get less in take home, since not all taxes are indexed for inflation.

on Nov 09, 2007
Wow! You have a very high-lying poverty line in the US.

Why not call it something else? US$12/hour has nothing to do with poverty. US$12/hour is wealth unimagineable to all but the richest 20% of the world's population.


THANK YOU, Leauki. Now you see why we're so up in arms about the government definition of poverty.

America's "poor" have big screen TV's, high speed Internet access, cable TV....creature comforts that many in the world will never know.
on Nov 09, 2007
Strangely enough, the next class up from the 'poor' doesn't have a big screen TV, high speed internet access, cable TV... etc. Because they want to make it to even the NEXT income class, so they're not in debt up to their eyeballs and they save some money too, while having no support from the government whatsoever.
on Nov 10, 2007
Now you see why we're so up in arms about the government definition of poverty.


I know why, always knew why.

If the socialists/liberals really want to use the government to help the poor, the "poverty line" is worthless because it will never tell them who the poor are and whether they have been helped.
on Nov 10, 2007
America's "poor" have big screen TV's, high speed Internet access, cable TV....creature comforts that many in the world will never know.


come on man you need these things to survive.
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