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Where does one person's rights stop and another person's start?
Published on June 2, 2004 By Draginol In Blogging

JoeUser.com is unique in the sense that it is, the first (and to my knowledge) only blog site that integrates all the blogs together into a single meta blog community. There are plenty of free blog sites out there. BlogSpot for example is vastly more popular than JoeUser.com is and in all likelyhood ever will be.

But JoeUser bloggers get a few key advantages:

Every site promotes every other active site/article/post.   The blogger on Blogspot or some other blog is not likely to have many people read what they write.  By contrast, a blogger on JoeUser.com is almost certain to get traffic as long as they write interesting (at least in terms of having an interesting title).

The home page of JoeUser.com represents a selection of blogs from all over the site. Right now these featured articles are chosen by me personally. Eventually, however, they will be chosen by the consensus of moderators and elite users through the "interesting/insightful" mechanism. That means that particularly well written blogs are more likely to be read.  Whereas, as many long time bloggers can tell you, many masterpieces languish. I know of many really great bloggers out there who write pages of outstanding content that are rarely read and rarely commented on. JoeUser.com takes care of that for the user. You write something really good and odds are it'll be read by thousands of people.

While JoeUser.com isn't anywhere near as popular as BlogSpot or other mega blog sites, because so many sites link to JoeUser itself that articles that show up on the side-bar for a time end up high in search engines. This isn't some fluke, this is how the search engines are supposed to operate.  Go onto say Google and type "last episode of friends" and see what happens. The articles people write her that do become popular end up popular on search engines.

But for all this coolness, it does create a bit of a moderation headache - where does the bloggers rights end and the site owners' begin? Where do the rights of the user end and the blogger's begin?

This is something we've had to struggle with. For example, if User A is abusive to User B on User C's blog, should the admins of the site intervene? This was a topic of much discussion and ultimately it was decided that yes, the admins SHOULD intervene but only because User C's article was on the forums and anything that is posted on the forum is subject to moderation. Therefore, if User C wants to have more control over what can and can't be commented in their blog, they simply need to not have their articles be posted to the forums (one of the posting options).

Bloggers get a set of important tools for control of their blogs:

1) They can control who can see their blogs through the audience feature.

2) They can control who can comment on their blog (no one, registered users, or everyone).

3) They can kill-file (black list) a given user who is making their blogging experience less pleasant.

As Admins, we are building up our tools so that we can take actions on different levels to maintain a certain level of civility on the site. Right now, our tools are still insufficient (I REALLY hate banning people for instance but I don't have many other tools at my disposal  yet).

But coming up we'll have the ability to Isolate users so that they can only post and respond on their own blogs and their articles won't be syndicated onto the right bar. That way, we don't have to "Ban" a long time blogger for being obnoxious.  We also will be implementing the Visitor feature which prevents the user from being able to comment on other people's blogs but can still write on their own and get what they write syndicated.

We are getting pretty close to "going gold" on JoeUser.com. (yes, we're still in BETA). At that point, the PR will begin and we'll hopefully see a great deal of new traffic come in. And then down the line we'll have premium features (storing images for showing pictures of family/friends, vastly greater site customization, easy archiving of your site to disk, etc. that'll have a nominal monthly fee ~$3 per month).

But that said, we expect to continue to struggle over what is and isn't aceptable behavior on the site. Once we have more admin tools, I expect things will become more flexible.

Happy blogging!


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on Jun 02, 2004
I have enjoyed watching the dynamics of this site change Brad.

I look forward to the further growth and development. I know you admin guys get a lot of shtick from punks like myself, however, the longer I am around, the more I appreciate the service you offer.

Here is a cheers to the growth of JU, which also assist's in the growth of Muggaz

BAM!!!
on Jun 02, 2004

Ah, Muggaz and JoeU, a symbiotic relationship!

I too am looking forward to seeing this site go from strength to strength.

Yay JoeU!!!

on Jun 02, 2004
Indeed the growth of JU is always a pleasent feeling, now for a question. As you have stated certain features are not yet optional, because of it being in the BETA form, but say as we both and all know of the most recent banning Im sure, which has touched me personally, since I was the one that first got them to blog here in the first place, I would like to know that in the future is it possible for them to come back, and in that case be welcome back? This is to say, after an appology has been given to the appropriate people.

Thomas
on Jun 02, 2004
Haven't decided yet. We're not ego driven, we just don't want people who are get a kick out of trying to make other people miserable.
on Jun 02, 2004
Haven't decided yet. We're not ego driven, we just don't want people who are get a kick out of trying to make other people miserable.


If i can step in Brad...

That thread had some of the worst condescension I have seen to date... in fact, some people were overly eager to point out that she was banned..I am not making excuses, but their are always two sides to every story...

BAM!!!
on Jun 02, 2004
There is no "side" to someone calling someone a profane name. And even then, they were simply given a warning and they chose to come back and tell us that, in effect, the rules of JU don't apply to them.
on Jun 02, 2004
There is no "side" to someone calling someone a profane name. And even then, they were simply given a warning and they chose to come back and tell us that, in effect, the rules of JU don't apply to them.


Yes, I know, she acted innapropraitely... we are all guilty of that at times... I just seem to have a habbit of defending the un-defendable

BAM!!!
on Jun 03, 2004
I just seem to have a habbit of defending the un-defendable

hmmmm the us military has the judge advocate general's office (acronymically known as JAG). perhaps there should be an official BAM...or bloggers advocate ummm mediator? in that case, i can only think of one obvious potential appointee.
on Jun 03, 2004
Do I get a lightsabre?

BAM!!!
on Jun 03, 2004
...the longer I am around, the more I appreciate the service you offer. Here is a cheers to the growth of JU, which also assist's in the growth of Muggaz


congratulations, brad, on the tiny part you played in bringing to the world at large the miracle that is muggaz. i mean, i'm sure your dinky little website helped a little, but we all know he would have achieved world fame, anyway, right ?

excuse me if i get off the topic (ie:muggaz) here for a moment and make a comment on the article itself ... i find that the best way to avoid unpleasantness is to not be unpleasant myself.

having said that though, the need for moderation still does exist. i have said it before and i'll say it again: i'm glad that's your job and not mine, brad.

thanks for the great service

mig.
on Jun 03, 2004
Okay Im back after a few hours (almost 24) without electricity, and I appreciate, the fact as strange as it may be that you are undecided yet and that it is not set in stone. I appreciate it a lot, and as sad as this may be, I think I am one reason that caused Jess to lash out at you and the other blogger, for the simple fact that I angered her and she instead of taking it out on me completely, decided to divy it up and that is an unfortuante thing, and as I say again, Im glad that your decision is not set in stone at the momet.

Thomas
on Jun 03, 2004
I really appreciate JU and frankly and glad that there is some level of moderation with regard to abusive people. While we should all feel free to speak our minds, there must be a level of respect maintained for the site to work as intended.

I know we have all visited chats on irc or web that were filled with obnoxiously abusive people who make it impossible to enjoy the site. I would hate to see that happen to such a great place as JU.
on Jun 03, 2004
I tend to look at moderation as the only thing that keeps a website from becoming a really unpleasant place.  I've seen forums with no moderation and they're not places that attract people of quality.
on Jun 03, 2004
I've seen forums with no moderation and they're not places that attract people of quality.


There's only one place that I frequent that has virtually zero moderation, and that's my first generation Honda Civic board. We're just a bunch of gearheads over there exchanging ideas and questions and it's a really cool place. About once every six months or so, someone new comes on and gets a bug up his ass. They don't last long, mainly because we ignore them and they end up going away. Pretty nice, however it's the grand exception to the rule.

Otherwise, I agree with the above statement.

-- B
on Jun 03, 2004
We have people of quality at JU???? Who??? Where????

j/k actually the people here at JU are the best group of people I've found anywhere on the net.
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