Cheney trumps Edwards

Debate #2

Published on October 5, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

Cheney appears to have decidedly beaten Edwards. Edwards just appeared a little bit out of his depth. I think Edwards could have stood up well against Bush, but Cheney just looked like a seasoned pro.

I don't think this will have much affect on the polls though as the veeps just don't make that much of a difference.

I think the key sound bites were very much in Cheney's favor -- i.e. the sound bites that will get repeated will show Cheney hammering Edwards and that is where it could make a difference.

Comments (Page 5)

CamMeg

on Oct 06, 2004

Reply By: Desert Fox Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 Man you are way off Edwards spanked him badly
I think Edwards was begging to be spanked hehe breaking those rules naughty boy !

Have a good night~!~

~Peace,LoVe,Health & Happiness~ Extended to all

Wet Monkey

on Oct 06, 2004

I think it was a draw, no real substance on either side but Edwards doing exactly what he was supposed to do, not wilting in the face of the Rebulican spin machine, no more than Cheney appeared defensive in response to the Dem spin machine. Time will tell and the oil will keep on flowing. It's just going to get a lot more expensive, ( well... more than it already has).

Amazing how hard it is to keep a grip on the bigger picuture with the media "follow the lemmings strategy" running full steam ahead based on their respective bias. Whatever happened to the theory that our presidential canidates should be exceptional, moral people that give us real choice and are not in need of fear tactics as the primariry campain platform and a forest of sound bites funded by corporate, special intrest lobby payouts? Please.... May I have another placebo? Hmmm... maybe I was sleeping that day in Political Science and misunderstood.

Year after year we continue to lap up the lies, the insinuation, the promises and continue to be fasinated by the machine as if we really know what is going on and have any tangible effect upon it's all to predictable results. I believe that a fundamental change in accountability for those that "serve our better interest" is the only truth that provides us answers to intelligently arrive at any conclusions. But what the hell do I know, you will find me listed as a registered lemming just like 95% of the rest of the population in the US.

COL Gene

on Oct 06, 2004

I want to answer several issues. First, we are electing a President. Thus, the issue of the president's policies is the point drmiler.

Second, Bush and Cheney never answer several basic questions:

Why have their economic and tax cuts not produced jobs for the five million new workers that have come into the work force since Jan 2001?

What do they plan to do about the 45 million people without health care including the 5 million that had it and lost it since Jan 2001?

How will making the tax cuts on the wealthy and the continued revenue loss balance the budget?

How do we get out of Iraq and regain the trust of other countries?

We have a track record of Bush, as president to look at. The first question is did he do the job well and if not why re-elect him? His failure to accomplish the main jobs above should answer that question. The policies of Bush and the conseratives are not working. We need to move toward the center. That will happen when the power is split by electing Kerry. He will stop the one sided far right agenda. The Republican control of either house of congress will not allow Kerry to establish more spending programs. That will benefit us all. I do not want to see EITHER parties control the White House and Congress- It does not prodice policies that fit where the majority of Americans want to be.

So far as my Book, readers are providing comments that make it clear it does address the issues of this election. It is documented with many credable sources. It does not use "sound bites" like the political ads but lays out the facts, good or bad, for the voter. I wrote "Four More For George W? " because as I said on the back cover, " There is only one thing worse than not voting - not knowing what you are voting for!"

drmiler

on Oct 06, 2004

Let me answer YOU in particular. First off the original comment was NOT directed to you! So stay out of it. Second the presidents policies ARE NOT the question! the title of the blog for YOUR information is "Cheney Trumps Edwards". Where do you see *anything* about Bushes policies? And thirdly Kerry/Edwards never answered some of the basics either. As far as I'm concerned neither camp is elaborating on *how* they intend to fix things! It's well known by now that you don't care for Bush.

COL Gene

on Oct 06, 2004

Drmiler I thought the purpose of Blogging was to encourage comment. If Bloggers were to "stay out of It", we would not Blog.

As I have said, I do not dislike George W. Bush. I dislike the impact of his policies. What he has done is not making life in our country better for the vast majoity. Some have benefitted but not ANY of the poor or MOST of the middlle income Americans. In contrast, almost ALL the wealthy are having a party.

Pam Johnson

on Oct 06, 2004

Sorry didn't see the debates. . . and why when the Yankees and Twins were playing on Fox. It was probably better then the debates—especially since the "Yankees" lost.

Pam

Myrrander

on Oct 06, 2004

If Edwards had beaten Cheney you two would be hammering home that fact

I was thinking the same thing. I thought the first presidential debate was closer to a tie than this one. Edwards was outmatched on almost every question.

The wrong election and wrong party to back.

I'm actually a Kerry supporter, but pretend time is over. Let's be honest. Edwards was OK, but he was beaten.

drmiler

on Oct 06, 2004

Reply #65 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 7:55:54 AM
Drmiler I thought the purpose of Blogging was to encourage comment. If Bloggers were to "stay out of It", we would not Blog.

As I have said, I do not dislike George W. Bush. I dislike the impact of his policies. What he has done is not making life in our country better for the vast majoity. Some have benefitted but not ANY of the poor or MOST of the middlle income Americans. In contrast, almost ALL the wealthy are having a party.

Again I must reiterate, Bushs policies are not the topic of this blog.The comment I made was to *desert Fox* and was a dig at him. It should have elicted no comments from anyone else but him.

blogic

on Oct 06, 2004

Too bad Cheney's best line was a lie.

COL Gene

on Oct 06, 2004

drmiler - As I read the replies to the varrious Blogs, they often get into other issues. Sorry you do not like my comments. That is your right by living in America

drmiler

on Oct 06, 2004

Reply #70 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 9:27:31 AM
drmiler - As I read the replies to the varrious Blogs, they often get into other issues.

Yes they often do wander OT. And they are usually called on it too.

blogic

on Oct 06, 2004

drmiller, you often go off-topic in your comments. I've repeatedly seen you respond to someone's points not by disproving them, but by making unrelated new assertions. I don't think there's anything wrong with that -- I always enjoy reading your comments -- but you should respect COL Gene's right to do the same.

drmiler

on Oct 06, 2004

Reply #72 By: blogic - 10/6/2004 9:37:18 AM
drmiller, you often go off-topic in your comments. I've repeatedly seen you respond to someone's points not by disproving them, but by making unrelated new assertions. I don't think there's anything wrong with that -- I always enjoy reading your comments -- but you should respect COL Gene's right to do the same.

Your right I do and I am usually called to account for it also. And be sides that here is his original quote that started this.

Reply #63 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 7:08:54 AM
I want to answer several issues. First, we are electing a President. Thus, the issue of the president's policies is the point drmiler.

Second, Bush and Cheney never answer several basic questions:

Why have their economic and tax cuts not produced jobs for the five million new workers that have come into the work force since Jan 2001?

What do they plan to do about the 45 million people without health care including the 5 million that had it and lost it since Jan 2001?

How will making the tax cuts on the wealthy and the continued revenue loss balance the budget?

How do we get out of Iraq and regain the trust of other countries?

We have a track record of Bush, as president to look at. The first question is did he do the job well and if not why re-elect him? His failure to accomplish the main jobs above should answer that question. The policies of Bush and the conseratives are not working. We need to move toward the center. That will happen when the power is split by electing Kerry. He will stop the one sided far right agenda. The Republican control of either house of congress will not allow Kerry to establish more spending programs. That will benefit us all. I do not want to see EITHER parties control the White House and Congress- It does not prodice policies that fit where the majority of Americans want to be.

So far as my Book, readers are providing comments that make it clear it does address the issues of this election. It is documented with many credable sources. It does not use "sound bites" like the political ads but lays out the facts, good or bad, for the voter. I wrote "Four More For George W? " because as I said on the back cover, " There is only one thing worse than not voting - not knowing what you are voting for!"

At no time before this were the presidents policies in question. But if you look at the first line he calling me to account basically saying *I* was off topic. What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

blogic

on Oct 06, 2004

drmiller, I would have interpreted COL Gene's comment to say that the point of everything election related -- including the VP debate -- is judging the president's policies. I don't think he was saying that you were off the discussion topic.

Deference

on Oct 06, 2004

This one goes to Cheney. Edwards was a bit over confident, and got rattled just enough by Cheney to shake his verbal command. He did manage to recover a bit, but by the end of the debate, it was obvious he was out of orbit. It's interesting to note that Cheney was able to appear more competent and knowledgable than Bush ever has.

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