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What is anti-Americanism?
Published on October 18, 2004 By Draginol In Philosophy

Predictably, when someone talks about anti-Americanism the far left will begin distorting it to sound like that if you criticize your country then you are "UnAmerican".  Pretty soon, the original point is turned into a charactiture of itself and the original author's points are ridiculed into oblivion.

Criticizing the policies of your country does not make you unpatriotic. Not agreeing with the US President doesn't make you anti-American.  The intellectually lazy may find it appealing to hide their anti-Americanism behind principled disagreement on policy. But most people with common sense understand there is a difference between disagreeing with US policy on some issue and being anti-American.

So here's a quick guide:

You might be anti-American IF:

  1. You think the average American is "stupid" or "a sheep" or "brain washed".
  2. You prefer law be made by appointed judges rather than elected officials.
  3. You think of the United States, as a whole, to be "the greatest threat to world peace".
  4. You think American culture is a grotesque cancer spreading across the world.
  5. You think that the United States is the greatest threat to the environment.
  6. You think that the United States kind of "had it coming" on 9/11 because of years of its "foreign policy"
  7. You hope that the United States "loses" in Iraq.
  8. You would like to see China or Russia or the European Union act as a "counter balance" to the US militarily
  9. You consider Bush, Clinton, or any other US President a "War criminal"
  10. You believe that US-style capitalism is a force for global ruin, individual degradation, or environmental catastrophe

You'll note that none of these 10 items involves criticizing a US policy. Or voting for a particular presidential candidate. Or even what kind of car you drive.

Someone who is anti-American is probably not as likely to buy an American made car as someone else.  But not owning an American made car doesn't make you anti-American (I realize this should be obvious but based on some of the things I've read in response to my article this basic bit of logic seems to elude some people).  Driving to some anti-Bush protest in your Volvo with your "No blood for oil" sign may be SYMPTOMS of being Anti-American but these things in themselves do not make someone anti-American.

You'll also note that there is a difference between being anti-American and Un-American.  Thinking that the US deserves to be attacked by terrorists is different than being in favor of say laws that censor critics of the government.  The former would be a symptom of anti-Americanism and the latter would be a symptom of being un-American in my opinion.

That's my 2 cents on it anyway. 


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on Oct 18, 2004
You beat me to this one, I shouldn't have had that nap
on Oct 18, 2004
I shouldn't have had that nap


I had a nice nap too.
on Oct 18, 2004
You think the average American is "stupid" or "a sheep" or "brain washed"


Boy, don't let Patriot see that, nobody would DARE infer that the great Patriot Flamethrower is anti-American.

Other than that, I have nothing to say. I think some of what the United States does/is involved in isn't for the greater good. Perhaps, dare I say, more of what we do ISN'T for the greater good rather than IS.
on Oct 18, 2004

more of what we do ISN'T for the greater good rather than IS.


As opposed to who? Find me another country who does more for the greater good than the USA.

 

P.S. The Flamethrower thing made me chuckle... hehe

on Oct 18, 2004
Well that's humbling.

Point taken. Won't change my opinion, but you've succeeded in making me feel foolish.
on Oct 18, 2004

you've succeeded in making me feel foolish.


Well i didn't aim to make you feel foolish Ap just didn't see the logic was all.

on Oct 18, 2004
You must also remember that what our government does is for the greater good of it's citizens, not the rest of the world. If these happen to coincide well and good.
on Oct 18, 2004
I'll put myself on trial here with your points.

You think the average American is "stupid" or "a sheep" or "brain washed".
Not guilty. I come into contact with school children everyday that impress on me how individual their thinking really is.

You prefer law be made by appointed judges rather than elected officials.
Not guilty. I'm against activist judges. Dictating from the bench that "under God" can't be in the pledge is an abuse of power, and worse, silly. The people of Massachusetts should have been able to vote in a referendum on the gay marriage issue, or their elected officials in the legislature should have made the decision. However, sometimes the courts can be useful in overturning laws -- for example, Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka, KS

You think of the United States, as a whole, to be "the greatest threat to world peace".
Hung jury. The key here is "greatest." I don't think we are the greatest threat to world peace, Russia, China, Israel, Pakistan, India, Arab fundamentalists, and European "head in the sand-ism" are also grave threats to world peace.

You think American culture is a grotesque cancer spreading across the world.
Not guilty. If folks want their McDonald's, then let there be Big Mac's.

You think that the United States is the greatest threat to the environment.
Hung jury. I think the industrialized world is the greatest threat to the environment. This includes the US, but Russia and China, for two, are much bigger polluters.

You think that the United States kind of "had it coming" on 9/11 because of years of its "foreign policy"
Not Guilty. But it's a loaded statement. Our "foreign policy" has engendered harsh sentiments across the world. Does this give anyone the right to kill innocents? Without a doubt, no.

You hope that the United States "loses" in Iraq.
Not Guilty. But then again, I never wanted us to fight a war there in the first place.

You would like to see China or Russia or the European Union act as a "counter balance" to the US militarily
Not Guilty. Although probably inevitable.

You consider Bush, Clinton, or any other US President a "War criminal"
Not Guilty. He's made mistakes, but he's not Stalin or Pol Pot.

You believe that US-style capitalism is a force for global ruin, individual degradation, or environmental catastrophe
Hung jury. I don't think it is intentionally so all the time. And there are many, many cases in which it is a force for global growth -- for example, I recently defended Halliburton for a deal made with Iraq in the 90's. Some would be upset that Halliburton sold oil equipment to Iraq -- but coupled with that sale were machines for sewage processing and water purification. Selling somebody a clean drink of water is never bad. US businesses can cause harm, but they also do a lot of good.

Good post. Cheers.
on Oct 18, 2004
Well I can't think of anything to add. Great post.
on Oct 18, 2004

If these happen to coincide well and good.


A good point, we tend to act in enlightened self interest, most of the time this tends to help the rest of the worlds govern,ment but if it doesn't it is the other governments job to do what is necessary to help themselves. Sometime this will cause conflicts of interest. Thats why they call it politics.

on Oct 18, 2004
Dragional,

I'm going to have disagree you on the anti-Americanism of the left (in general and not in the blogging sense). I've always gotten the impression that it was some form of propaganda coming from the right and that the right had something to hide. I remember reading in the Detroit News (and I'm trying to search for it in the Free Press), Donald Rumseld being quoting as saying, "if you criticize the United States or President Bush, you're being unpatriotic."

I read that, and I just got a chill from it. Being able to criticize our government is our right and I felt that at that time, Rumsfeld was telling the America people not to question why it happened. I felt that at any time to question our government, it was then. I knew I was. I remember seeing the images and thinking "how did this happen?"

September 11 aside, it's dissent all together. I feel for the majority of Bush's presidency he has effectively controlled the press. My source here is fair.org, which cites a Washington Post story from June 15, 2002. Bush spoke at a Ohio State University. It was written there wasn't any dissent. Quotes from other sources regarding the lack of dissent: "Graduates had been warned during rehearsal on Thursday that they faced arrest if-- as was rumored-- some stood up and turned their backs on Bush during his speech." The warning continued on the day of the event as well, according to the Associated Press (6/14/02): "Immediately before class members filed into the giant football stadium, an announcer instructed the crowd that all the university's speakers deserve to be treated with respect and that anyone demonstrating or heckling would be subject to expulsion and arrest." **

And some observers did, in fact, notice protests during the ceremony. As reported in The Lantern (6/14/02), Ohio State University's campus paper, "Three graduates and six audience members-- one draped in a Palestinian flag-- actually did turn their backs but were hardly noticed by the crowd of about 60,000." A demonstration held outside the stadium attracted a small group of protesters as well (Columbus Dispatch, 6/15/02).

Unfortunately, I couldn't find in the Free Press and the Detroit News, you have to pay for back issues. However, I'm trying to find that quote from Rumsfeld.

As a Democrat, I feel that Bush has gotten it pretty easy media-wise, especially after September 11 (with the exception of this year). Criticizing the government isn't Anti-American. It's just that we are being feed that it is, which is wrong.
on Oct 18, 2004

Criticizing the government isn't Anti-American.


Umm did you even read the second to the last paragraph of this article? Or the rest of it?

on Oct 18, 2004
Oops. Sorry, I went off a rant. I apologize. I'm not used to being on the political threads.

Sorry, Dragional. I didn't mean to hijack your thread. Delete it if you want.
on Oct 18, 2004

Oops. Sorry, I went off a rant. I apologize


Hell you get an insightful just for being willing to apologize. Candor of that sort is often in short supply Dusk.

on Oct 18, 2004
Draginol:

I would agree with the article in general. Howver, I am not sure what the American car has to do with it. I mean, I have bought American and foreign cars and found the foreign ones more reliable. I generally get 8 years out of them versus 5 for an American. I have no bumper stickers on my cars and never have had.

Personally, the difference between a patriot and and someone who dislikes America is the attitude. A patriot loves his country enough to fight for the things that will make her better. The "Anti-American" is someone who has no vision for "better" only for worse.
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