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The left grasps at straws
Published on October 29, 2004 By Draginol In Current Events

The anti-war advocates made loud and vigorous claims that the United States would end up killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians if it invaded Iraq.  Others claimed that it would take years for the United States to defeat Saddam ("Iraq would be no Afghanistan") and ("The road to Baghad will be covered with American blood.").

And yet despite that, the American military crushed Iraq in a matter of a few weeks. Now, nearly 2 years later, fewer than 1,1200 Americans have died -- and that's counting both the invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation and counting accidental deaths which represent a significant percentage of the deaths.

In addition, relatively few Iraqi civilians died in the process. One thing our troops learned during the invasion, if may recall, is that Saddam had vast VAST caches of weapons, ammunition, and explosives tucked around the country. He also had billions of dollars in cash tucked away across the country.  Coalition forces, having defeated the Iraqi forces in an amazingly short amount of time at a very low cost also managed to secure hundreds of thousands of tons of these caches and confiscate over a billion dollars of Saddam's cash.  All this in a matter of weeks.

And yet now, a week before election, the increasingly partisan American media and the Kerry campaign (And supporters) have latched onto the still iffy allegation that somehow looters walked off with 380 tons of ammunitions from one of those weapons caches I just mentioned. This represents a tiny percentage of the total caches captured mind you.  And moreover, that somehow, George W. Bush -personally- is to blame for this.

To me, this just sounds hysterical. Grasping at straws.  I recall in 2002 two guys in the Washington D.C. area putting the entire country into hysteria because they went around sniping people. 2 guys did that. During the Florida hurricanes there was wide spread looting.  During the Rodney King verdict, LA erupted into massive riots.  Do we blame our Presidents for these things? No. That's absurd. Yet somehow, almost by magic, it becomes the President's fault if (surprise surprise) there's looting in Baghdad in the aftermath of Saddam's fall from power. As if somehow, US forces, trying to take control of a country of 25 million people are supposed to be able to secure and maintain order over the entire population -- but without causing civilian and American casualties in the process.

This latest incident speaks to that seeming irrational thinking on the part of the Kerry supporters. I just..well it just sounds desperate. It's about as nutty as blaming the weather on Bush -- except that they blame that on Bush too.

In engineering, you create systems that will have a certain percentage of failure. In software development, for instance, a product is successful if it works on >99% of systems.  And most software products these days are lucky to be greater than 98%.  Yet, calling the administration and America's military incompotent (and let's be candid here, you can't blame the President on this one without blaming the military in Iraq as well) because <1% of the weapons caches in Iraq got botched is simply unrealistic.

The only reason this is a story at all, which is more telling than the story itself, is that this issue, now over a year old, happens to pop up a week before the election. Indeed, CBS was originally planning to run it Sunday night without very much research having gone into it.

Even now, we don't really know what happened. We don't know looters took the stuff away. The materials might have been taken away by US forces and not correctly inventoried. Saddam loyalists might have spirited them away while the US was busy pacifying Baghdad and sent them to Syria. No one knows really yet because not enough time has passed to give a thorough look at the situation.  All we know for sure is that in January of 2003 the exposives were there and in May 2003 when US inspection forces arrived they were gone (btw, for those arguing the incompotence case, bear in mind that the US inspection team did arrive pretty quickly after the war, this isn't stuff that was hanging around and got taken away this summer due to US troops having just left the place open -- things were pretty busy in early 2003 if you remember).

What we can say is that these things aren't being used against our troops at this point. The insurgents are much more in need of land mines, guns, ammunition, radios, RPGs. These are things that are not claimed to have been lost there.

In the end, it's not going to change minds. But it does demonstrate a certain level of irrationality on the part of Kerry supporters. That they'll cling on to anything. Anyone who has studied military history can tell you that all wars have set backs and blunders.  As one simple example, in World War II, US torpedoes didn't actually work for the first couple of years (they just whacked against the side of the ship and did nothing). Many thousands of Americans died in vain as a result.  Back then, being American meant a bit more than being a Democrat or a Republican so you didn't see massive outcry in blaming President Roosevelt for this.

Sometimes, when someone is making a bunch of very loud charges against someone else you learn more about the people making the charge than the target of those charges.


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on Oct 29, 2004
I would hardly call 11,000+ Iraqi civilian casualties insignificant. That's not counting the wounded. That's how many are estimated to be dead and that figure is considered low by most experts. The Pentagon has no way of knowing how many Iraqi civilians are dead because they don't count them.

As I have said in my own blog article, the 370 tons of missing explosives is just the tip of the iceberg. The Iraqi equivalent to the CDC was looted AFTER the fall of Baghdad where numerous viruses, that up until the war had been under seal and totally accounted for, were looted. This was actually witnessed by a U.S. official who was there under orders of Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Wolfowitz was notified about it immediately, yet this site was never secured. Some of the viruses looted from this site included HIV and Black fever. Can you imagine a biological attack on the U.S. if terrorists get their hands on this stuff? And let's not forget that since so many Iraqi's are now unemployed, they are desperate for money and willing to sell whatever they can so that their families can eat.

Another site, that had been monitored and under seal by the IAEA contained very high grade equipment and tools for nuclear weapons production that was dismantled by the IAEA in 1991. Again, this stuff was under seal and accounted for up until the invasion. This stuff is now gone (post invasion) and is suspected to have been taken across the border to Iran. Iraq would NEVER have given Iran the time of day let alone parts of it's old nuclear weapons machinery. The 277 tons of missing explosives is significant because the IAEA TOLD the U.S. that this was one of the most important sites to secure, yet the administration failed to do it. It doesn't matter when it was looted. It matters that as of last Sunday, it was STILL being looted. It has also been reported, that Iraqi insurgents now have most of the missing explosives which they are threatening to use against coalition forces. Admittedly, this video tape could not be immediately verified. The U.S. is now checking that out.

The main issue is not the missing explosives, although it is illustrative of a much broader problem we now face, the main issue is whether we are now safer or less safe as a result of this war. Was this war's benefits worth it's opportunity costs? Given that most experts now agree that Iraq may never be a true democracy and will most likely end up being an authoritative Islamic theocracy. It is far from clear that this new Mid-east theocracy is going to be friendly to the U.S. much less a shining beacon of democracy to the rest of the mid-east. I think it's pretty clear that the benefits of the invasion have not been worth the costs or the increased danger we created. I think it is pretty clear that we are not safer. That is my opinion. And I don't think my opinion says anything about me other than the fact that I am concerned about my country and the troops in Iraq. Period.

Comparing FDR and GWB is like comparing an apple to a guerilla. There is simply no comparison either between the two presidents or the two wars. Invading Iraq because we were attacked by al Qaeda is like attacking Mexico because Pearl Haror was attacked by the Japaneese.
on Oct 29, 2004
Brad,
I understand your dislike at what you see as politically motived press timing (especially any suggestion that this information should have been held till a day or two before the election), but you can't just brush this incident under the carpet and pretend that it's not important. The US invaded Iraq because it saw Saddam as a future threat who was never going to be neutralised by the sanction regime. I agreed with that. But failing to secure the known sites that contained WMD components is a crime. And this high explosive is a WMD component, used in the manufacture of nuclear bombs. It's not a WMD itself but it was dangerous enough that the IAEA sealed it so that the Iraqis could not use it without obviously breaking sanctions.

Now surely you must accept that the man responsible for convincing us to invade Iraq because of the threat of Saddam should have been critically aware of WMD components and the need to secure them? Both this site and the nuclear sites were left unsecure.

The administration screwed up. This in no way suggests a Kerry admoinistration would be better, but lets at least be honest in that a screw up was made, and it was made at administration level.

Paul.
on Oct 29, 2004
The main issue is not the missing explosives, although it is illustrative of a much broader problem we now face


Typical misdirection play once the initial smear fails to stick. Classic. You should apply for a job with CBS, T_Bone.

Back then, being American meant a bit more than being a Democrat or a Republican so you didn't see massive outcry in blaming President Roosevelt for this.


Not to mention pilloring Eisenhower, Churchill & Roosevelt for all the "needless" deaths on the beaches of Normandy. Well said, Drag.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 29, 2004

Solitair: In basic terms what I am saying is that Kerry and his supporters are making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

on Oct 29, 2004
In basic terms what I am saying is that Kerry and his supporters are making a mountain out of a molehill.


Ah... you mean like when Bush said Iraq was a threat to the United States?
on Oct 29, 2004

Ah... you mean like when Bush said Iraq was a threat to the United States?

Well clearly anyone who thinks that those explosives were a big deal has to think Iraq must have been a gigantic threat.

I don't consider the 277 tons of explosives to be a very big deal. Certainly not as big of a deal as the 500,000 tons of explosives that have already been captured/secured/or destroyed. Not to mention Saddam's support of terrorism,

on Oct 29, 2004
Are facts optional?

The problem I have with the liberal media and liberals in general is that they invent facts (CBS has a long history of this) or they take things totally out of context (Bush's last year of National Guard service was just like my last year of college--in the first years I took enough credits so that I only needed so many the last year), or they create "facts" (entering a bill in congress about the draft, which they didn't vote for, and blaming the president for considering the draft. Their other cute game is shown clearly by a Democrat congress passing a tax on Social Security benefits, then every year since claiming that Republicans are going to destroy Social Security.

By the way how much did Charlie Wrangle's (sick) bill cost us? How can they get away with wasting millions of dollars on bills they don't intend to pass? There should be severe punishment for this travesty.
on Oct 29, 2004
But failing to secure the known sites that contained WMD components is a crime. And this high explosive is a WMD component, used in the manufacture of nuclear bombs. It's not a WMD itself but it was dangerous enough that the IAEA sealed it so that the Iraqis could not use it without obviously breaking sanctions.

As we saw today, when you jump to conclusions, you wind up with egg on your face. Where as rational minds, who ask who what when where how, seem all the wiser.

We now know that there was no where near 377 tons. That over 400,000 tons of ordinance was rounded up following the fall of Iraq (making the 219 tons about .05%), that the military was tasked to round it up and destroy it, and that they indeed did round it up and destroy it.

See how stupid and foollish the NYT, CBS and Dan Rather now look? See how easy it is to make them look like fools? See how easy it was to sucker Kerry into inserting foot before engaging brain?

I think Drag's title says it all. Insanity is not rational, and will get you into trouble. Try a saner approach in 08, and you may, just may have an opportunity to win the election. If there was any doubt about the election, that vanished at noon today.
on Oct 29, 2004

The latest from Fox news http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137017,00.html indicates the majority of material was removed, by us. But just suppose that the material was stolen after the troops were there. I fail to see how that is Bush's fault.
on Oct 29, 2004
Kerry consistantly villifies and opposes the military. He has, he will. This is poorly veiled, using "The Administration" as a proxy, but in the end he knows that there were many, many layers of abstraction between Bush and the guys that overran that storage facility. In an indirect way the commander-in-chief is responsible for the acts of soldiers, but Kerry is just opportunistically politicizing a compulsion he has had for 30 years, the degradation of the US military.

I think Kerry would make a good prosecutor, a good trial lawyer, and maybe, just maybe, a good ultra-liberal Senator. Four years of a radically anti-war Hamlet will be ruinous for the nation.
on Oct 29, 2004

I would hardly call 11,000+ Iraqi civilian casualties insignificant. That's not counting the wounded. That's how many are estimated to be dead and that figure is considered low by most experts. The Pentagon has no way of knowing how many Iraqi civilians are dead because they don't count them.

 

Source please?  NPR not accepted.  And next time you go into combat, you make sure you count every non-combatant that you shoot that is firing a gun at you.

But hey!  It is just AMERICAN troops protecting themself.  Such barbarians wanting to live, so that you can be so hauty tauty!  The nerve of them!

on Oct 29, 2004

As I have said in my own blog article, the 370 tons of missing explosives is just the tip of the iceberg.

Now that you have been proven wrong on all counts (219, not 377, not missing hijacked by the US), wil you admit your error?

on Oct 29, 2004
The 380 missing tons of explosives points to a continuing shocking incompetence of the Bush Administration and the Pentagon. I mean not securing a large dangerous cache of explosives in a war zone.
This just underscores the problems that started with faulty intelligence and a rush to war with Iraq. I mean things are so bad that I had to consult a college text on the miltary I have just to make sure I understand the funciton of the Pentagon in the US federal government.
The present adminstration gets some of the blame because the military is carrying out their policies. There's got to be something wrong when Rules of War 101 are violated, changed, or ignored.
on Oct 29, 2004

The 380 missing tons of explosives points to a continuing shocking incompetence of the Bush Administration and the Pentagon. I mean not securing a large dangerous cache of explosives in a war zone.
This just underscores the problems that started with faulty intelligence and a rush to war with Iraq. I mean things are so bad that I had to consult a college text on the miltary I have just to make sure I understand the funciton of the Pentagon in the US federal government.
The present adminstration gets some of the blame because the military is carrying out their policies. There's got to be something wrong when Rules of War 101 are violated, changed, or ignored.

 

You dont keep up with the news do you?  Just the fraud stuff.  Oh well, time you got some new updated info.  Are you going to slam Kerry now?

I think not.  Try to think for yourself for a change.

on Oct 29, 2004
Here's how the story should read:

"US military succeeds in securing or destroying 99.4% of Saddam's stockpiles of munitions and explosives."

Why should that be the story? Because it's the truth.

The NYT is good for only one thing - fish wrap. Though I don't know why you'd want to do that to a poor innocent fish.

As for CBS, it's almost beyond belief how stupid they are. They appear to believe that the way to redeem their reputation is to SUCCEED in pulling the wool over our eyes as opposed to failing to pull the wool over our eyes. They have well and truly gone over the cliff. 60 Minutes is deader than dead, never to be believed again. And Rather is just plain pathetic, exposed for the self-important asshole on a mission that he is.

I also got a kick out of Phil Donahue on H&C last night. He was like Al Gore on speed & steroids. What an arrogant prick. And he wonders why he's not on TV anymore.

Cheers,
Daiwa
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