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The left grasps at straws
Published on October 29, 2004 By Draginol In Current Events

The anti-war advocates made loud and vigorous claims that the United States would end up killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians if it invaded Iraq.  Others claimed that it would take years for the United States to defeat Saddam ("Iraq would be no Afghanistan") and ("The road to Baghad will be covered with American blood.").

And yet despite that, the American military crushed Iraq in a matter of a few weeks. Now, nearly 2 years later, fewer than 1,1200 Americans have died -- and that's counting both the invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation and counting accidental deaths which represent a significant percentage of the deaths.

In addition, relatively few Iraqi civilians died in the process. One thing our troops learned during the invasion, if may recall, is that Saddam had vast VAST caches of weapons, ammunition, and explosives tucked around the country. He also had billions of dollars in cash tucked away across the country.  Coalition forces, having defeated the Iraqi forces in an amazingly short amount of time at a very low cost also managed to secure hundreds of thousands of tons of these caches and confiscate over a billion dollars of Saddam's cash.  All this in a matter of weeks.

And yet now, a week before election, the increasingly partisan American media and the Kerry campaign (And supporters) have latched onto the still iffy allegation that somehow looters walked off with 380 tons of ammunitions from one of those weapons caches I just mentioned. This represents a tiny percentage of the total caches captured mind you.  And moreover, that somehow, George W. Bush -personally- is to blame for this.

To me, this just sounds hysterical. Grasping at straws.  I recall in 2002 two guys in the Washington D.C. area putting the entire country into hysteria because they went around sniping people. 2 guys did that. During the Florida hurricanes there was wide spread looting.  During the Rodney King verdict, LA erupted into massive riots.  Do we blame our Presidents for these things? No. That's absurd. Yet somehow, almost by magic, it becomes the President's fault if (surprise surprise) there's looting in Baghdad in the aftermath of Saddam's fall from power. As if somehow, US forces, trying to take control of a country of 25 million people are supposed to be able to secure and maintain order over the entire population -- but without causing civilian and American casualties in the process.

This latest incident speaks to that seeming irrational thinking on the part of the Kerry supporters. I just..well it just sounds desperate. It's about as nutty as blaming the weather on Bush -- except that they blame that on Bush too.

In engineering, you create systems that will have a certain percentage of failure. In software development, for instance, a product is successful if it works on >99% of systems.  And most software products these days are lucky to be greater than 98%.  Yet, calling the administration and America's military incompotent (and let's be candid here, you can't blame the President on this one without blaming the military in Iraq as well) because <1% of the weapons caches in Iraq got botched is simply unrealistic.

The only reason this is a story at all, which is more telling than the story itself, is that this issue, now over a year old, happens to pop up a week before the election. Indeed, CBS was originally planning to run it Sunday night without very much research having gone into it.

Even now, we don't really know what happened. We don't know looters took the stuff away. The materials might have been taken away by US forces and not correctly inventoried. Saddam loyalists might have spirited them away while the US was busy pacifying Baghdad and sent them to Syria. No one knows really yet because not enough time has passed to give a thorough look at the situation.  All we know for sure is that in January of 2003 the exposives were there and in May 2003 when US inspection forces arrived they were gone (btw, for those arguing the incompotence case, bear in mind that the US inspection team did arrive pretty quickly after the war, this isn't stuff that was hanging around and got taken away this summer due to US troops having just left the place open -- things were pretty busy in early 2003 if you remember).

What we can say is that these things aren't being used against our troops at this point. The insurgents are much more in need of land mines, guns, ammunition, radios, RPGs. These are things that are not claimed to have been lost there.

In the end, it's not going to change minds. But it does demonstrate a certain level of irrationality on the part of Kerry supporters. That they'll cling on to anything. Anyone who has studied military history can tell you that all wars have set backs and blunders.  As one simple example, in World War II, US torpedoes didn't actually work for the first couple of years (they just whacked against the side of the ship and did nothing). Many thousands of Americans died in vain as a result.  Back then, being American meant a bit more than being a Democrat or a Republican so you didn't see massive outcry in blaming President Roosevelt for this.

Sometimes, when someone is making a bunch of very loud charges against someone else you learn more about the people making the charge than the target of those charges.


Comments (Page 2)
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on Oct 30, 2004
Lets stop ,messing about with the quantity of explosives lost. Europeans and Americans use different definiteion of ton. Almost 400 tons for us is a lower US ton number. Big deal. Not important.

What I find amazing is that peopel are so willing to ignore that these were classified as dual use WMD components. If even 50 tons of this stuff had been found hidden by Saddam the US would rightly have pointed out that this could have been used to make a nuclear bomb, was classified as a WMD component and that Saddam was in breach of resolution 1441.

But when the US fails to secure this people conveniently call it an explosive and claim others are over reacting.

Now I will totally admit that the reaction to this should have been less serious than the reaction to the fact that the US also left nuclear facilities unguarded. A facility that almost 3000 barrels of uranium went missing from along with highly specialised equipment required to turn it into bombs. Or that the reaction to this should be less serious than the reation that the Iraqi centre for disease control was looted woith seriously dabnerous potential WMD material getting stolen.

But for some reason this is far less important to Americans than who fought in Vietnam or who gets what endorsement. None of this matters at all if some terrorists now have all the components needed for a nuclear bomb! And who allowed them to get such components? It wasn't Saddam. He had these all sealed away by IAEA inspectors and guarded.

Paul.



PS Latest research from John Hopkins in the Lancet medical journal places the casualty figure much much higher.
on Oct 30, 2004
Draginol, as usual you have made a few outrageous statements. The civillian war casualities in Iraq are by the most conservative estimate nore that !100,000. Bush and Blair by their policy of usinf air strikes in civillian areas have caused the death of a large number of un armed non combatants. I think one has to be sensitive to the fact that the US media is not telling the whole story of the War and hence the Internet has become an important source of information. A team of Doctors from Johns Hopkins University used a random smpling approach to estimate Iraqi war dead on the civillian non combatant side. International Law imposes a responsibility on the occupying powers to protect civillian life. The US forces are now beginning to revolt as they are made to perform in a situation which goes against the grain of a human being. Do not think that that human beings are not killed and since American caualities in the war are minimal. the War can go on. This war is an insane war and must be stopped.
on Oct 30, 2004
The issue is not the 380 tons at one location. It is the other locations that we did not secure that have been used to kill our troops. Many of the "only 1,100" deaths could have been avoided if Bush had provided the troop levels needed to secure Iraq. We did not secure the Amo dumps, borders or the areas that supported Saddam from which our troops are being attacked each day. Bush was told it would take between 300,000-400,000 troops by the former Army CoS and Gen Franks planned for thr same numbers in his war plans. Bush approverd about 140,000 less than half the number needed. L. Paul Bremer pleaded with Bush for more troops when it became clear the numbers could NOT DO THE JOB. Bush ignored the generals and Bremen. The result is Americans are dying each day - 8 today alone. Some Commander-in-Chief. Who would re-elect someone that has failed to do the job?
on Oct 31, 2004
.....And next time you go into combat, you make sure you count every non-combatant that you shoot that is firing a gun at you.

That was just plain ignorant, you think we have enough time to keeps a tally on who or what we kill? If I caught someone doin it I would make it my personal mission to run thier ass outta this man's army.

But hey! It is just AMERICAN troops protecting themself. Such barbarians wanting to live, so that you can be so hauty tauty! The nerve of them!


There have been plenty of "non-combatant" deaths due to: ordinance being dropped; a 2000lb LGB is gonna do a helluva lot' of secondary damage. Return Fire or Suppresive Fire; Sling enough lead downrange and someones gonna get clipped, Combatant or not.

on Oct 31, 2004
Daiwa: "Typical misdirection play once the initial smear fails to stick. Classic. You should apply for a job with CBS, T_Bone."

Daiwa, I have been writing about the dangers of this war long before I became a JU blogger and have posted articles on my blog stating that the main issue is that the war has made us less safe long before the story of the missing explosives broke. You have spun my remarks so far out of their factual context for the sake of an attempted smear, you should get a job with FOX. Talk about misdirection? Try knowing your facts before opening your mouth and personally attacking someone's credibility. Go to my blog, look at the numerous articles I have written about this war, what their main focus is, and their correponding dates. Your remark has no basis in fact and you should withdraw it.
on Oct 31, 2004
sgsmitty: "indicates the majority of material was removed, by us."

Instead of getting your "information" from FOX, who spun this story to the wrong conclusion as usual, try going directly to the source of FOX's story. This story came from a Pentagon briefing which I watched live. The military person the Pentagon put front and center to try and "muddy the waters" over this debate actually said he moved some explosives but he did NOT KNOW if what they removed included any of the 377 tons in question. When this poor guy was pressed by the media to give more specific answers about when he was there, what was there, and what exactly was removed...he simply could not link it AT ALL to the explosives in question. Again, this is just a diversionary shell game to take people's eye off of the real question which I have been raising for a very long time. Are we safer as a result of this war. The answer is a resounding no.
on Oct 31, 2004
Draginol: "I don't consider the 277 tons of explosives to be a very big deal. Certainly not as big of a deal as the 500,000 tons of explosives that have already been captured/secured/or destroyed. Not to mention Saddam's support of terrorism"

First, I agree that those 277 tons are just the tip of a dangerous iceberg. I hardly call the looting of HIV and black fever virus, high-grade machinery used for nuclear weapons production that had previously been dismantled and under seal now suspected to be in Iran as a result of the war, a mole hill. I hardly think you can tell the brave soldiers (or their families) that have been maimed, killed, or wounded unnecessarily by these looted materials that this is just a mole hill. Again, the main issue is: "Has the decision to invade Iraq made us safer?" No. It has made us less safe. I am not going to get into a whole other discussion about the links between Iraq and al Qaeda/terrorism other than to say that it is pretty much widely accepted by all experts that this nexus was for the most part non-existant. When one considers all of the states who were sponsoring terrorists to a much higher degree than Iraq, couple with taking into condiseration other nations who were far more of a threat than Iraq, one must logically wonder why Iraq....and not these other countries? Why have these other countries been touted as are "allies" in the struggle against global terrorism when these very same countries funded, trained, and supplied weapons to terrorists before, during, and after 9/11. I have discussed the alleged Iraqi-terrorist ties in other articles/blog discussions and I won't repeat myself here for the sake of argument. The facts simply don't support the notion that this war has made us more safe. To the contrary, the facts indicate that we are far more at risk subsequent to the invasion. It was bad judment to go there in the first place and it has been one bad judgment after another subsequent to the invasion which made a bad situation far worse.
on Oct 31, 2004
Draginol, "Well clearly anyone who thinks that those explosives were a big deal has to think Iraq must have been a gigantic threat."

Wrong. How could 377 tons of explosives, other dangerous viruses, (etc...), that were monitored by the IAEA and UN inspectors and under seal prior to the invasion be a threat to anyone? Things that were NOT a threat have unnecessarily BECOME a threat post invasion. The fact is if we had THREATENDED military action to get Saddam's attention, allowed the inspectors to actually FINISH their job, and not RUSHED to invade, there would not have been a REASON or a NEED to invade. That is the main point. We could have been much safer today if the administration had not rushed to war. This is the crucial mistake and misjudgment of the administration. Other mistakes and misjudgments post invasion compounded the problem. Period.
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