Osama Bin Laden returns

New threats

Published on October 29, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

Terrorist Osama Bin Laden has ended speculation over whether he is alive or not with his new video that threatens more action against the United States.

Comments (Page 1)

nyvelion

on Oct 29, 2004

If part of his objective was to create another way to divide our country on an event, he's doing a very good job. How long will it take for the political spinsters to create media chaos on this one? I guess we'll be hearing more "Bush failed to catch bin Laden" and "Terrorists support Kerry" propaganda... : /

Myrrander

on Oct 29, 2004

I guess we'll be hearing more "Bush failed to catch bin Laden" and "Terrorists support Kerry" propaganda

While I still wish Bush had not used Afghan proxies so much in the hunt for Osama, I understand completely that capturing/killing bin Laden isn't the end of the war on terrorism.

ggray97

on Oct 29, 2004

From what I understand, using the Afghans was the only logical choice. They know the rough terrain of the mountains better than any GI could have known and probably saved soldiers lives. Unbelievable to me why Kerry doesn't know this. Proves Kerry is nothing but a empty hat and liar.

ggray97

Shulamite

on Oct 29, 2004

ditto, ditto.

But I liked the thought in the end of the article; look how far we've come in squashing this terrorism when we couldn't find the unibomber for 20 years HERE in the States.

I think it's significant the video doens't give hints to his whereabouts (could be a "hospital," a home, a school, a mosque), he's aged a bit by his looks, and he's not as fiery or as fierce as he was in the other videos. He was very adamant, demanding, and passionate in the past. Now he is more subdued, from the talk of the article, and not directly threatening.

dolman

on Oct 29, 2004

Why isn't anyone talking about what he (Bin Laden) said? Are the Jews in this country that powerful that no one dare respond to the fact that we're in this mess because of our undying devotion to Israel. Are American's that naive or just afraid to ask what might happen if we refuse to take it up the proverbial ass anymore on their behalf. I don't like the idea of anyone other than American's dictating American policy, but will someone please explain why we need to give up so much for the sake of so few. Do all American's agree that we should die and live in fear to support another country's cause?

Grim Xiozan

on Oct 29, 2004

Do you know that we also give monetary aid to the Palestine government as well?

Daiwa

on Oct 29, 2004

dolman -

I am not Jewish. Your comments are those of an uninformed bigot. That's the extent of the response you merit.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Daiwa

on Oct 29, 2004

A few thoughts on this, for what they're worth.

The Kerry organs are (surprise) already spinning this as another reason to vote against Bush.

Their spin: Osama really wants Bush to be re-elected to keep him as the poster boy for terrorist recruitment efforts and he calculated that his appearance on tape 4 days before the election would boost Bush's campaign. Therefore, in order to decrease the terrorist threat, we should elect Kerry. Excuse me, I have a headache.

The NYT, in their front pager for tomorrow (already on the web) found it somehow important to note that bin Laden looked "vigorous and healthy."

OBL himself says our security has nothing to do with the election. He just thought 4 days before the election would be a good time to clarify that for us, I guess.

OBL apparently actually believes there are ears in this country sympathetic to his justification for the act of war he admits organizing and perpetrating against us, the cold-blooded murder of some 3000 innocent people, mostly Americans but from many other nations, as well, by the most horrific means imaginable. What further evidence of his reptilian insanity do we need?

However insane the bastard is, he is not stupid. Neither was Ted Kaczynski, who differs from OBL only in degree and sophistication. He released this tape at this time, on the heels of the tape released just 2 days before, for a very specific reason. He's never done anything without a specific reason. If his mere image and pathetic rantings on a video tape can influence the outcome of our election, we deserve whatever follows. If we allow the world and the terrorists to see that terrorism "works" as it did in Spain, we will never see the end of it or its threats.

Listening to Kerry today, trying to sound more hawkish than even Bush, just made me want to puke (Mikey Moore probably IS puking). I'd hope that at least he has painted himself into the corner of having to back up his rhetoric if he's elected, but his pattern of behavior gives me cold comfort. He may calculate that defeating the terrorist threat "isn't worth it" and leave the field to the terrorists to impose their will on the entire Middle East by force if they can. That brings us back to Israel, which would not sit idly while the US abdicated its duty - a nightmare scenario for sure.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Daiwa

on Oct 30, 2004

Another thing Kerry said today caught my ear.

After spending the last 6 months wailing incessantly about how "never before has America been so divided" (ignoring a little skirmish we euphemistically call the Civil War), Kerry today said we are all "absolutely united" in our determination to go after the terrorists whereever they are hiding and to kill or capture them all, trying to suddenly out-Bush Bush. Osama serves up a hanging slider and Kerry swings for the fences. Batting practice folks, batting practice. How can Kerry be so sure it "would be worth it" after all?

Cheers,
Daiwa

T B

on Oct 30, 2004

I think it's significant the video doens't give hints to his whereabouts

Well here's one possibility (Intelligence trying to verify?)
Link

NEW DELHI, October 25: Fugitive Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has been spotted in the Tibet-Laddakh region, close to the North-Eastern tip of Pakistan, bordering India and China, Indian and US officials believe.

snip

And this seems to confirm it.
Link

The Government of India has not yet reacted to a Pakistani newspaper report quoting unnamed US intelligence sources as saying that the Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden had fled the Pak-Afghan border and entered the rugged terrain around the Sino-India border.

However, John Lehman (9/11 commision) claims the Pentagon knows exactly where Bin Laden is
Link

In Pakistan a US counter terrorism official says time is running out on Bin Laden
Link

"If he has a watch, he should be looking at it because the clock is ticking. He will be caught," Joseph Cofer Black, the U.S. State Department coordinator for counterterrorism, told private Geo television network.

T B

on Oct 30, 2004

Also, there are credible arguments that assert Bin Laden may be in Iran (much of his family and some of his buddies are).
Link

DUBAI, July 15 (AFP) - Hundreds of alleged members of Al-Qaeda, including 18 of its top leaders, and other terror groups are living in Iran, some under tight security, Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper reported Thursday.

"More than 384 members of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organisations are present in Iran, including 18 senior leaders of Osama bin Laden`s network," the London-based daily said, citing a senior source in the Iranian presidency.

snip

hitparade

on Oct 30, 2004

Bin-Laden , the bum, has endorsed kerry. He says if the American People re-elect Bush, he will hit us with another Manhattan. The gun is to our head. Do what Bin-Laden says are he promises- swears to Allah-- Doomsday for Americans. It's men or mice time. Vote Bush! Or else you'll be taking orders from the big, bad wolf.
For a real kick on how to capture Bin-Laden, the bum, check this out:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/diplomacy.shtml

kingbee

on Oct 30, 2004

thats such a totally irresponsible, innacurate and hysterical characterization of the taped message, it comes close to invalidating the draginol postulate regarding thinking on the right vs feeling on the left.

the man is not a fool. anyone with any working knowledge of how americans think and react would be well aware that a slam from bin laden works to the benefit of the slammee. conversely, if he really wanted kerry to lose, he would have endorsed him (despite your total miscomprehension of the translated transcription released so far, there's nothing even close to that nor any statement to the effect that reelecting bush will result in another 'manhattan').

in a way, one thing bin laden says on that tape is very true. we hold our security in our own hands. what's not said is equally true: if we permit that tape to influence our votes, he's doing the same thing they did in spain only without the need for a bomb.

hitparade

on Oct 30, 2004

Kingbee:

I beg to differ: The man is not only a FOOL, but he is also a psychopath. Certifiable. You don't get it. Takes his words literary. He believes his words can assuage the sorrow that wounds the American heart. Convince us too reject Bush. Wake up! You would not ask the big, bad wolf for directions to grandma's house-- would you? Moreover, kerry's attacks against General Bush are grossly irresponsible.

kerry says we "outsourced" the job of capturing Bin Laden to "warlords." Again, kerry disparages allies. These so-called warlords saved my ass several times. kerry's revisionist histrionics as to what occurred at Tora Bora is flatly contradicted by General Tommy Franks. Who do you believe? Interestingly, both kerry & Bin Laden are offering America a fresh start; provided we Americans do not re-elect President Bush. kerry & Bin Laden seem to be making overtures... a new era of detente?

kerry is an arm chair general, who huffs & puffs, but who won't blow the house of terrorism down.
Bin Laden also ripped a page right out mike moore's 911 lie. He disparages & blames the Pres. for reading to children while the attacks were underway. He cites this as the cause for the 3,000 dead. Translation: It's America's fault that the buildings got in the way of the path of the planes mindset. You know, the blame America first crowd. Mr. Bin Laden, you bum, every one knows that the cool, calm & collected always win in a gun fight. I'd relish the opportunity of demonstrating this principle to you, or anyone of your minions. Caesar would admonish his generals: less haste, more speed. The piano wire will soon be wrapped around your ankles, Bin Laden. Get ready to enjoy the inverted view. As my ancestors fondly would say: Vendetta is a dish best served cold. Be seeing you real soon.

For a real kick on how to capture Bin Laden... check this out: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/diplomacy.shtml

COL Gene

on Oct 30, 2004

The one reason we are in the area is OIL! Our economy is predicated on energy and many of our military and political problems in the area are because we are dependent on the energy they have in that region. The Bush energy policy was a give away to the mature energy companies and not one that would help free us from the need for the oil in that area.

WE need to improve mileage of our cars, trucks and SUV's.

We need to use the available coal in a nonpoluting way to buy the time to develop other forms of energy.

We need to move forward with other energy forms ASAP.

Read the chapter on Energy in," Four More For George W?" Go to amazon.com for reader comments

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