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Kerry wins by a larger margin than anticipated
Published on November 1, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

With the election tomorrow it's time for predictions. Based on using The Political Machine's issue based predictions and looking at polling data and trends, this is what I'm concluding:

Kerry victory with 306 electoral votes to Bush's 232.  This is a much clearer victory for Kerry than any of the polls and pundits are showing here. But then again, they don't have The Political Machine.

So what do I base this on?

  1. The Iraq war isn't a positive for Bush but in fact a negative.

  2. I think the Democrats are better at mobilizing their base. This has to do with demographics. It's easier to get people to the polls in urban areas than rural/subburban areas. As I explained to a neighbor, there's roughly 200 people in our neighborhood. It would take hours to pick us all up and take us to a precinct to vote. By contrast, there might be 500 voters in a single building in Cleveland.

  3. I think fraudulent voting is going to be a real issue. It's a lot tougher to challenge fraudulent voting than it is to try to preserve the sanctity of the system. It's disappointing to think that my vote might be counter-balanced by someone's cat or "Dick Tracy" but our sensational media has clearly decided that it's better to have 1000 fraudulent voters get through than to prevent a single legitimate voter from being turned away. I disagree. I think there should be a balance because a fraudulent voter is effectively taking away the voting rights of someone else by canceling out their vote.

  4. The "early voting" mechanism is going to be the big story this year. Early voting favors less committed voters which tends to favor Democrats.

  5. That ridiculous "missing explosives" story from last week that looks to have not had any reasonable basis in fact (latest news on that is that a US unit actually removed the explosives at the end of April). But the media ran on that for a full week which may have been enough to tilt the balance in Florida, New Hampshire, Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa to go for Kerry.

But in the end, if Kerry wins, it will be that first Bush debate that caused Bush to lose. The momentum was in Bush's favor and he so blew that first debate that it shifted momentum that he has not been able to recover from.

So there's my prediction. Not nearly as close as the pundits are predicting.

That said - EVERY informed voter should go out and vote. So even if you're in a blue or red state, go and vote tomorrow. I think the good news out of this election would be that we may have record turn-out which I think would be fantastic regardless of who wins. 

You Republicans who are hoping Bush wins better do what you can to get your friends and neighbors and family out to vote. Because you can be assured that the NEA (teachers) and other unions and other organizations are way ahead of Bush and his allies in organizing get out to vote on election day drives.

This election is going to come down to a handful of votes. Particularly in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.


Comments (Page 4)
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on Nov 02, 2004
I suspect Dragol invented a time machine. It's so close it's spooky.
on Nov 02, 2004
Michigan swings Kerry (up by 9%, 29% reporting) they must have started counting Detroit
on Nov 03, 2004
Hmmm...looks like Florida has stayed in the President's column. The Senator pretty much needs Ohio in order to win now.
on Nov 03, 2004
Now all Bush needs to do is win Ohio (now quite likely I think) and 16 other electoral votes to win. What will I do with my freetime now this message board will die now .
on Nov 03, 2004
I expected the race to be tight. Whether the tie states get contested is a whole different ball game.
on Nov 03, 2004
Hey I just noticed if Bush wins Ohio Alaska Neveda and Iowa and Kerry wins the rest it will be an exact tie. Not saying thats too likely but it would be cool! Especcally if Democrats took over the senate! President Bush Vice President Edwards. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
on Nov 03, 2004
Looks like Ohio (Bush up by 3% with 83% reporting) will go for Bush which will leave him 4 EV short of re-election and a number of places to pick them up. He leads in New Mexico by 4% with 80% reporting (this would do it), Nevada is a dead heat (if they counted Vegas first it would be good for Bush), Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Iowa are also way too close to call. Bush leads by a wide margin in Alaska currently but winning ONLY here would send the Presidency ot congress.
on Nov 03, 2004
Well, No matter what happens at the moment, Bush will likely win, He's Taken Ohio and Florida. So, even if it is a tie. Still doesn't matter. Republicans still hold Majority in Both Houses and Bush will be reelected. As I write this, I am waiting on results from 6-7 other states.

I got to hand it to Brad though, that takes some big shiny brass ones to try and call an election off of a game simulation. I wouldn't have tried that on the best day of my life.

/Reagan's Clone/
on Nov 03, 2004
So, Draginol, firstly congratulations on Bush's victory. Secondly though, how do you explain the incorrect prediction? I'm sure many will suggest a consipracy theory where you were trying to make sure Bush voters did go out and vote, worried that they would lose otherwise. But I instead tend to think that these sorts of things are impossible to predict. It was a nice attempt to try to replace traditional polling, but in the end, you never know who's going to vote until the boss gives everyone time off, and you simply can't judge how an entire nation is going to vote based on a supposedly representative sample. Different people each have different issues of importance and different opinions about these things.
on Nov 03, 2004
how do you explain the incorrect prediction?


But I instead tend to think that these sorts of things are impossible to predict


Lok at the numbers I got (in reply 33) using the game.
on Nov 03, 2004
Oh yeah and the other reasons I predicted differently to you: the Iraq War, as I predicted was a positive for Bush. Westerners like tough leaders, and even when they oppose a specific war, it creates the impression of a tough leader. There is never anything like a good war to keep a conservative Government in.

The Republicans are actually better at mobilising their base. A British friend told me how they always prayed for good weather come election day, because you could be sure as hell rain would bring a Tory Government in a place with non-compulsory voting. if it was raining on election day, he would spend the day giving lifts to people who couldn't afford cars, because they simply wouldn't go out. I know you had mostly good weather, but I think many Democrat preferrers find that there are bigger priorities than politics, which they don't perceive as something that is going to change much.

And of course the fact that many non-white groups are strongly religious and oppose gay marriage and abortion, thus swinging a traditionally Democrat demographic to the Republicans. Makes me wonder as a left winger why I bother even sticking up for some people. Half the time I'm sticking up for the rights of right wingers:)

So congrats again on a strategically clever campaign.
on Nov 03, 2004
I got to hand it to Brad though, that takes some big shiny brass ones to try and call an election off of a game simulation. I wouldn't have tried that on the best day of my life


It's as exacting as those analyst's prediction. There is no such thing as crystal to see the future. There's nothing but smoke and chaos of guessing based on data.

All I can say is I hope Kerry wins, but If bush wins, I hope there is no LONG dragging talk and blows between armies of lawyers.

*Lawyers parading with beat of music, or whatever.*
on Nov 03, 2004
All I can say is I hope Kerry wins


Bush HAS won
on Nov 03, 2004
IMHO, not till in least 99% counted.
on Nov 03, 2004
IMHO, not till in least 99% counted.


Do the numbers. In New Mexico if Kerry got ALL the remaining votes, he'd still lose. In Ohio, he has to get 140,000 of the remining 155,000 to TIE. Not gonna happen, it' over. And that doesn't even consider Iowa, Nevada and Wisconsin. The Fat lady has sung.
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