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One of the things about right-wingers that really annoys me is when they tell people who don’t like some policy with the US that they should just move to another country. It’s just obnoxious.

Of course, it’s annoying when left-wingers do it too.

In JillUser’s blog asking that people who complain how the rich spend their own money to take an interest in how those on public assistance spend theirs, long time user Mumblefratz writes:

I guess if that's how you look at it then there's not much I or anyone else can say to convince you otherwise, however that's not at all how I view it.

First off loot implies some illegality or at the very least impropriety and in my opinion as long as the same rules apply to everyone it's hardly looting. AFAIK we both must abide by the same tax code. Secondly while the government is indeed a monopoly you do have a choice of monopolies that you can live under and that's a choice that's far more accessible to the minority that you mention and not so much an option for the majority. I hear Monte Carlo is very nice this time of year. Finally as far as the government having a monopoly on force, that's true up to a point. That point being the point at which life has been made sufficiently difficult for a sufficient number of people that they decide to take things into their own hands. There are a number of examples of this occurring in history and none of them are pretty, particularly for said minority.

This response can be boiled down to saying that we live in a country where the majority sets the rules and if you don’t like it, move somewhere else.

No one is arguing how the system functions. The point, I think, of people debating and discussing issues is to raise awareness of various issues.

At one time, the majority of Americans thought slavery was just fine.  Should those who had a problem with slavey just shut the hell up and moved to say Canada?

When someone argues that it’s not fair for the rich to have so much and the poor to have so little should the rich guy say “Well move to Cuba then, in the meantime, shut the hell up.”?

I don’t think so. I think people should discuss and debate as much as possible so that we can learn from each other.

People (clearly) don’t realize the unintended consequences of their beliefs. Some liberal/Democrat says “Hey, you don’t like high taxes? You rich people should move overseas.” And what they don’t realize, even though it’s right in front of them, is that that is what’s happening. It’s called outsourcing.  The rich get to enjoy all the benefits of living in the USA but without the tax downsides.

Hey, don’t like outsourcing? Well, hey, it’s legal and what else is there to be discussed? If it’s legal, it’s ethical right? What more is to be discussed right?

But no, we should discuss this sort of thing to raise awareness and see how our society might evolve and be a better one.

After all, JillUser could have just written “Hey whiney losers, quit complaining about my mansion and other material possessions that we earned. That’s the way it is and if you don’t like it, move to Cuba.”  Instead, she tried to raise awareness about an issue and opened it up to discussion.


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on Feb 06, 2009

stevendedalus


other ways to be sure they didn't have 'income' subject to that rate by engaging in all sorts of tax-shelter shenanigans & shell games. True, but the same is done today even at a much lower rate. 

What are you talking about?  Are you an accountant, Stevendedalus? I find it rather obnoxious for someone know-nothing on the issue talking about this kind of crap. I have a big 5 accounting firm on my taxes and I'm looking at a million plus going to the government for this past year.

Sure, there are still games going on but the FACT is that today, the highest income earners now pay far more of a % of the tax bill than they did before Reagan. 

Could you stop drinking the cool-aid for just a half minute and actually educate yourself on this stuff? 

on Feb 06, 2009




One of the reasons our health care costs are so high, for instance, is because insurance insulates us from the actual costs of things and people don't tend to care how much things cost.

To be honest, I certainly don't care how much things cost if my health is at stake.


You might care how much it costs if it's merely a matter of convenience.

We're not talking about the cost of life saving procedures here. We're talking about caring what Doctor A charges versus Doctor B.

If insurance companies paid for our cars, we'd all drive Porsches and the like because we wouldn't care how much they cost.  If we had to pay even a % of the cost, we might decide that a Accord would do the job just as well.

on Feb 06, 2009

 

You might care how much it costs if it's merely a matter of convenience.

We're not talking about the cost of life saving procedures here. We're talking about caring what Doctor A charges versus Doctor B.

If insurance companies paid for our cars, we'd all drive Porsches and the like because we wouldn't care how much they cost.  If we had to pay even a % of the cost, we might decide that a Accord would do the job just as well.

Yes, but when it comes to healthcare, I do not make the decisions for myself.

While I might know which car I should buy (and if I choose the wrong one it doesn't matter) I cannot, I don't have the required knowledge, make an informed decision about whether a given illness can be cured with pill A, pill B, or an operation. I also never choose such treatment for fun. It's not a question of convenience.

The reason insurance companies or the government shouldn't buy our cars for us is that we would all want to drive porsches. That is correct. But I cannot imagine that anybody would, say, undergo a heart transplant for fun.

 

If we had to pay even a % of the cost, we might decide that a Accord would do the job just as well.

Yes, I agree. But while it is probably good for society to get people to drive cheaper cars, it is probably not a good idea to let idiots choose whether they want the treatment doctors recommend or the treatment that costs them ten bucks less.

 

 

on Feb 07, 2009

Draginol


Could you stop drinking the cool-aid for just a half minute and actually educate yourself on this stuff? 

Lol, I just had to point out that you used kool-aid in a sentence relating to serious financial issues Brad.

on Feb 07, 2009

While I might know which car I should buy (and if I choose the wrong one it doesn't matter) I cannot, I don't have the required knowledge, make an informed decision about whether a given illness can be cured with pill A, pill B, or an operation. I also never choose such treatment for fun. It's not a question of convenience.

The reason insurance companies or the government shouldn't buy our cars for us is that we would all want to drive porsches. That is correct. But I cannot imagine that anybody would, say, undergo a heart transplant for fun.

People might get a lot  more informed about things if they were aware of the costs.

Right now, people don't get involved in finding out the costs of things of even what their doctor charges.

And doctors have an incentive presently to choose the most expensive procedure that will get covered regardless of whether it's the most effective or not.

on Feb 07, 2009

People might get a lot  more informed about things if they were aware of the costs.

I don't think anyone who isn't a doctor will ever be informed enough about medical products and services.

 

Right now, people don't get involved in finding out the costs of things of even what their doctor charges.

I know what my doctors charge. They sent me bills. And what the insurance company pays directly I get to see anyway since they sent me copies for my files.

 

And doctors have an incentive presently to choose the most expensive procedure that will get covered regardless of whether it's the most effective or not.

Doctors have an incentive to charge what the major insurance companies (there are only few of them) are willing to pay because otherwise doctors will find themselves outside the insurance system and won't have many patients/customers.

Organised patients, i.e. patients represented by insurance companies that are fewer in number and better informed about the products than the patients themselves wield monopsony power.

 

on Feb 09, 2009

Sure, there are still games going on but the FACT is that today, the highest income earners now pay far more of a % of the tax bill than they did before Reagan.
It's obvious your spiking the cool-aid. You're rigging the game by citing this because you know damn well by dramatically reducing the marginal rate--the dems had a dirty hand in this as well--the entire parameters changed" in lieu of everyone incrementally paying taxes, however miniscule or gigantic, the Reagan-Bradley thugs exempted many as though benevolent so the top guns could come out smelling like a rose, though they walked away with billions in tax savings. Yes indeed the law of relativity dictates: what once was a generous tax preference at 40% capital gain, we now cry over 15%, that you pay the same rate as Bill Gates must drown you in Kool-aid.

on Feb 09, 2009

We're not talking about the cost of life saving procedures here. We're talking about caring what Doctor A charges versus Doctor B.
Right, I can just imagine you driving round in your Porsche checking on doctor fees. Do you get your prescriptions at Walmart? Or are we only talking only about the pressing procedure of the lowlife?  

on Feb 09, 2009

Are you off your meds, Richard?  It's Kool-Aid.

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