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After reading the book One Second After we had an interesting discussion over on JoeUser about the subject.

One user said that humans had adapted and were far too enlightened today to revert to violence and mayhem in the absence of our modern conveniences.

So let’s walk through the EMP scenario:

Day 1: July Year 200x

5 container ships in the gulf of Mexico fire medium range SCUD missiles high into the atmosphere until it reaches far above Kansas and other states.  On board are 45KT nuclear warhead.  It explodes creating EMP that takes out all of the integrated circuits in the United States.

That means anything electronic that hasn’t been hardened is going to be ruined.  That means your computers, TVs, cars, home electronics, breaker box, phones, radios, cell phones. It also means the power companies, their generators, the backup generators at hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

All of the farms and their harvesting equipment is dead. The trucks that move food to the cities are ruined. The trains that move freight around the country are inoperable.

Every airplane flying crashes. All planes on the down are ruined.

The only thing working are US conventional forces that happened to be hardened against EMP (which means quite a few of them).  Some cars stored in underground parking garages would probably work depending on the proximity. 

There’s no fall out. Nobody dies from the attack directly.

Day 2:

With power out people’s fridges are DOA.  With no working cars, people don’t go to work. In the country and in the suburbs, people take the food out of their refrigerators and freezers before it “goes bad” and have BBQs. It’s a fun time.

People who were driving somewhere are mostly able to make it to town. A few people die of heat stroke on their journeys. In the deep south, particularly Florida, there are a number of deaths due to the heat since air conditioning is out.

In the cities, looting begins quite quickly. The police can’t do much since they’re on foot or on horse.

We know this sort of thing because we have seen what happens during extended power outages. Of course, in those cases cars, cell phones, and other crucial devices still worked but there was still massive looting in the large cities.

Day 3:

Local agencies really don’t know what’s going on since there is no communication. No cell phones. No radio. No land lines. The grid is gone.  There are spare parts but no where near enough to fix it all and because of the nature of the electrical grid, all the holes have to be plugged for the juice to flow again.  And even if they had enough parts, how do they transport them? No trucks. No cars. 

International relief from Japan, China, Canada (though most of Canada is taken out too), Mexico, Europe begins but it’ll be slow going. Food shipments can reach the coast in a couple of days but getting it inland will be a major problem as the vehicles will have to be transported in along with parts to try to get the railroads working again (along with teams to get dead trains off the rails).

In the subs, the party is over. It ain’t funny now.  People are finishing off what was in their refrigerator. Most people still have some food in the cupboard.

Stores start rationing their supplies. People are still using money (at least, those who keep cash). A bottle of water is $20.  How much cash do you keep in your house?

In the cities, riots have broken out with widespread destruction. Being July, it’s hot and dry. Fires from the riots start to spread.

End of Week 1:

By now, most people in the subs have run out of food they would normally remotely consider eating. Looting at the local Walmart and grocery stores begins as people simply take what they need.

Remember, people aren’t hearing anything from the authorities. There are no working TVs. No working radios. The handful of police are walking in the subs. 

If you live in the suburbs, take a close look around. How would the police reasonably patrol your city without cars?

Meanwhile, people in nursing homes have started dying enmasse. Without refrigeration drugs quickly go bad. Anyone requiring help breathing or anything else has already died.

People with type 1 diabetes are starting to see the writing on the wall.

Meanwhile, the first container ships of relief have reached San Francisco, Seattle, LA, San Diego, Houston, Miami, Boston, NY, Washington, Raleigh. Lots of food, medicine, some parts, lots of vehicles.

Unfortunately most of those cities are in utter pandemonium. In the south, tens of thousands have already died from heat.  In 2003, when there was a heat wave in France, 14800 people died. They didn’t lose power, they just didn’t have air conditioning.  In Florida, the death toll is skyrocketing quickly. Same in most of the other southern states.

End of Week 2:

People are starting to die of dysentery from eating bad food, drinking bad water. Many have left the suburbs to head to rural areas where they think there is food (they’re wrong, harvest won’t happen for months, industrialized food processing involves a lot of transportation between the farms and the slaughter houses).

The typical American family, now out of food and with no access to clean water is starting to get pretty desperate.

What? Only 2 weeks? How much food do you have in your house right now? Go check. I’ll wait….

Okay back? So how much is in your pantry? How long would it last you? If you knew at the start, you might have rationed it better. But you didn’t. 

Millions of Americans are wishing they had put those steaks and hamburgers and hotdogs in their basements in the cooler temperatures. Others are wishing they had salted them heavily and cooked them well done to store for the long haul.

In the cities on the coast, power is restored via backup generators relatively close to shore. However, within 10 miles from the harbor, death is everywhere.  Don’t agree?

Ever been to San Francisco? LA? New York City? 14 days have passed. Where would you have gone? The smart ones, who are able to, would have found their way to the harbors and waited for air lifts of food and such. But most would probably not think about that.

Meanwhile, armed thugs are starting to systematically go through every building and house looking and taking what they need.

End of Week 3

Starvation is starting to become a real problem. If your local law enforcement had a clue, they had already gotten themselves and helpful citizens around to the stores to gather up supplies to start rationing it.

At this point, martial law has been declared by any competent city government.  Some cities decide that, for the public good of course, that all community food will be collected and distributed equally to everyone. In other places, large armed mobs are violently taking what is needed to survive.

Are you a survivalist? Got all your supplies right? Got MREs in the basement. You have an AK47 that you managed to get quietly at a gun show. Your kids know how to use the two shot guns. You’ve been prepared for this day right?  Great. You’re about to die.

You see, you might be able to keep a few people away. But word got around that you have supplies because you’re that guy who everyone knew was expecting to “bug out” one day when the government and black helicopters came.  You might be able to take out a few people but 200+ Nope. You’re going to take a lot of them out but they’re going to come in, kill you, your family, and your supplies.

What? Don’t agree? People won’t do that? Again: Other than on the coast (in some major cities near harbors anyway) you’ve heard and seen nothing from the government other than the occasional Black Hawk flying around. No TV. No phones. No radios. 

A few people have managed to dig up old HAM radios and they are getting distant broadcasts of reassurance but it’s clear that nothing’s coming any time soon if you live significantly inland, especially if you don’t live in a densely populated area.

It’s triage at this point and the rural and suburbs areas are simply too spread out. Unfortunately, in the cities, fires have consumed much of them. Anyone strong enough to get out of there has which further distributes the population.

A few older cars start showing up again on the roads as collectables and just old junkers are fixed up and are able to drive because they didn’t have electronics in them.

End of the first month:

A network of outposts are re-established in most large and medium sized cities. Medium sized cities are faring a bit better. Kalamazoo Michigan, Santa Cruz California, and other cities of this kind are doing okay now as convoys are starting to show up.

Really large cities away from the coast are dead at this point.  Sorry Omaha, there’s nobody home anymore.

The Second Month:

Now is when the death toll really starts to go up.  First, you have about 5% of the population that was on medication to control their mental states. This is now gone.  They will mostly die off this month or take out a few others in the process.

Nearly everyone with Type 1 diabetes has died.

Virtually who requires assisted care at this point has died.

Millions of children under 2 have died. Why? Do you have any children? If you’re not nursing them, how are you feeding them at this point?

There are not many domesticated dogs left that haven’t been freed by owners.

The number of deer left that are near people has diminished to the point of being difficult to find. Same with geese, ground hogs, rabbits, etc.

Most cities of any decent size now have an outpost re-established with convoys of food now arriving. However, it’s starting to become a real problem because, well it turns out that the US and Canada supply a significant chunk of the world’s food. 47% of the world’s Soy beans are produced in the United States. 86% of the world’s corn. The bulk of the world’s wheat. 

It’s during this second month that the food shipments to the United States are going to start to dry up as hunger starts to become a significant problem in China, Japan, and other countries that have to import food. The US and Canada make up 20% of the world’s food exports and if you count only basic foods the percentage nearly doubles. 

The world has its first universal consensus: Oh shit.

It’s at about this time that those who were celebrating in the streets about the downfall of the great satan are starting to get the first thought that yes, they’re going to die too. North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, and many other countries are about to see starvation on a level that has never been seen before.

By contrast, Europe is doing okay. Not great. But okay. Their economies are in ruins but they’re not going to die enmasse. 

In Japan, where starvation is a serious concern, they and Korea have enough money to pay top dollar for the dwindling import food supply. Russia, unfortunately, is about to have a very rough year.

Needless to say, the food aid shipments to the United States are starting to dwindle. Western Europe, particularly Great Britain, Spain, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Netherlands are still sending food shipments.

If you’re on the East coast in a secure area, you’re in good shape.  If you’re on the west coast, most of you are going to die.

Third Month:

The population of the United States is starting to take on the same appearance it did in 1909.

Here is what it looked like in the year 2000.

8% of the poulation was over 70.  Nearly all of them have died.

3% of the population is under 4.  Nearly all of them have died.

Urban populations of the United States have had staggering death tolls, particularly those not near the coasts.

Anyone requiring medication that needed to be refrigerated in order to live (anti-rejection drugs, insulin, various heart medications, for instance) has died. Easily 10% of the population on top of the above.

Around 20% of the population has starved.

Another 10% in the south who are living in places that were uninhabitable without modern technology have died.  Think LA is nice? Imagine it without water.  Any water.

In fact, if you live in California, take a look around. Where does your water come from?  Most of the population of Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Utah have died.

Power is starting to get restored due to generators and the government now had a decent supply of cars. Fixing the grid has become a priority.

While heat has killed millions in the south, we’re now getting near November. It’s starting to get cold.

The fourth month

I tell people who come and interview that Michigan’s southern part is about the same latitude as Northern California.  Winters in the upper part of the United States and lower Canada aren’t that bad – if you have heat.

But we don’t have heat.  Natural gas has to be pumped and pumped through a huge network across the country.  When power goes out, even for a few days, a lot of infrastructure falls apart.  New York’s subways, for example are gone.  Much of Chicago has flooded too.  Those who have enough propane will be okay, for awhile (at least until armed thugs come and take it).

By this point, restoring natural gas is not going to be a simple matter of restoring power.  Ever wondered how natural gas gets to your house?  It’s all repairable but it will take time and unfortunately, a lot of that expertise in people has died or is otherwise unavailable. That means bringing people in which will take more time.

If you live in northern states at this point, and you haven’t starved to death, you’re probably going to start dying of exposure.

But that’s a gift compared to what people still struggling to make it in warmer areas as we get reintroduced to cholera, TB, and diarrhea become major problems.

In fact, in 1900 the #1 cause of death in the United States was pneumonia. The #3 was diarrhea. That’s right. The runs killed more Americans than Heart disease, cancer, strokes, etc.  And this November, it returns from retirement as people, without proper sanitation, start to die off from all kinds of things that were previously unheard of.

In fact, as November closes, the United States has reverted to a third world country. No, that’s not fair. Third world countries usually have electricity and their inhabitants usually know how to start a fire.  Do you know how to start a fire without matches and such? Remember watching Survivor and laughing at them? They were in pretty good conditions to get a fire going.  You, by contrast, are wet, cold, weakened, and not sure if it’s even a good idea to start a fire because, well, what are you going to do with it? There’s little food.

On the west coast, food shipments have dropped to a trickle.  LA, Seattle, San Fran, it’s not a fun time there now.

One Year later

The grid is re-established in the midwest, the east coast, and much of the south.  It’s partially re-established on the west coast thanks to help from South Korea, China, and Japan. Thanks guys. We appreciate it even if most of us are dead.

So what’s the death toll?  Conservatively, you’re looking at 40% of the population of the US and Canada has died. That’s probably a best case scenario if food and equipment shipments from the rest of the world come in quickly.

A smart (well not really smart because the states that sponsor terrorists have died off due to the unintended consequences) terrorist would have also zinged Japan, South Korea, the Chinese east coast, and western Europe. If that happened, you would be looking far higher deaths everywhere as there would be no relief coming in.

The population of the United States today is over 300 million people.  In 1900 it was 76 million. The biggest reason for the increase isn’t due to birth rate but rather the massive decline of the death rate.  And remember, they had infrastructure back in 1900.  We’d be worse off than they were because they knew how to live back then. 

How many people know how to can food? How many modern Americans know how much wood to cut to burn? How many Americans live in places where they need an elevator, as a practical matter, to get to where they live?

Heck, how many Americans are simply living today because they have access to all kinds of medical technology?  How many Americans are living in places that can only be inhabited thanks to modern technology? Most of the south west was a barren desert until electrical pumps became possible. Much of the south wasn’t, as a practical matter, livable until air condition.

Also, consider our immune systems of today versus what it was 100 years ago. Our sterilized world has made us very vulnerable to the bacteria and viruses that lurk just outside our electrified civilization. And they would be back to visit within weeks.

Conclusions

Is what I describe realistic? Nobody really knows. There are studies out there.  The book One Second After is a bit more dire than I think it would be.  And it may turn out that our infrastructure is tougher than it seems or that the types of nuclear warheads that an Iran or North Korea could produce aren’t powerful enough to cause the necessary EMP. 

But what is so frightening is how vulnerable we are.  It wouldn’t take much of a shove to bring down the electrical grid.  You could still end up with a situation where 10% of the American population (30 million) die simply by screwing up the electrical grid for a couple months.

Do I think this will happen? Probably not. I have a lot of faith in humanity.  But when one considers the things that we worry about – global warming comes to mind, it amazes me how unconcerned people are at how easily disrupted our modern lives could be given how dependent we are on our technology today.


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on Jul 09, 2009

I didn't read most of what has been posted either, but this is really really unlikely to happen. EMPs are only useful for the short term, aka, if someone is to attack the US, they would use the EMP as a strategy to first disable all the services that Electronics provide and then physically or remotely attack the country. There's no point to attack in EMP and let the people die slowly, that's rather ineffective unless you're just mean and evil. Besides, the US has just too many procedures to prevent all of this from happening in the first place. The most important is intelligence, knowing about it before it happens, second is actually preventing it with missiles. The second the US gets attacked it's going to retaliate, and I don't think anyone would bother to get into a war with the US just like that. We're at a modern age, all land has been occupied, there isn't really anything left to fight over for. Seriously, just solve it up with Diplomacy.

on Jul 09, 2009

i wonder how effective it would be to put a nuke in a regular cargo plane for EMP purposes.

on Jul 09, 2009

taltamir
i wonder how effective it would be to put a nuke in a regular cargo plane for EMP purposes.

Negligible, one of the necessary conditions to generate a wide-area EMP like discussed here is to be above the atmosphere entirely. A space shuttle could do it, but a plane would not be much different from a standard nuclear attack.

on Jul 10, 2009

Negligible, one of the necessary conditions to generate a wide-area EMP like discussed here is to be above the atmosphere entirely.

What? why?

The higher you are the greater the area affected due to the curvature of the earth shielding further away locations. But there is a downside that the higher you are the less POWER the EMP will have due to having had longer to disperse. Some suggested using multiple missiles at a below orbital level to deal with the power dispersion issue.

What makes you think it has to be in space?

on Jul 10, 2009

taltamir

Negligible, one of the necessary conditions to generate a wide-area EMP like discussed here is to be above the atmosphere entirely.


What? why?

The higher you are the greater the area affected due to the curvature of the earth shielding further away locations. But there is a downside that the higher you are the less POWER the EMP will have due to having had longer to disperse. Some suggested using multiple missiles at a below orbital level to deal with the power dispersion issue.

What makes you think it has to be in space?

Look on the first or second page of this topic, there are links explaining the physics of the explosion. A detonation above the atmosphere releases far more of its energy in EMP-range radiation compared to an atmospheric detonation, which loses most of its power forming a shock wave. Not to mention the magnetic effects that are entirely lacking from the atmospheric detonation. Bottom line is if you can't get it above 100 miles (200 is better), you get more bang if you use it to actually blow something up.

on Jul 10, 2009

Negligible, one of the necessary conditions to generate a wide-area EMP like discussed here is to be above the atmosphere entirely.

What? why?

The higher you are the greater the area affected due to the curvature of the earth shielding further away locations. But there is a downside that the higher you are the less POWER the EMP will have due to having had longer to disperse. Some suggested using multiple missiles at a below orbital level to deal with the power dispersion issue.

What makes you think it has to be in space?

 

Most cargo planes are probably going to be able to fly between 5-8 miles up.  An explosion near the surface has a localized EMP effect because the atmosphere surrounds the explosion.  You get more coverage from a detonation in space because the gamma rays can travel hundreds or thousands of miles before hitting the atmosphere.  Yes, if a nuke is detonated 250+ miles up in space, it needs to be much bigger -- in the megaton range.  That is why the original scenario was for 5 x 45KT nukes, most likely detonated in the thin upper atmosphere at the edge of space...45-60 miles up.

on Jul 10, 2009

i am pretty sure it is the curvature of the earth and not the atmosphere. the atmosphere is also going to be there when you blow it up in space. actually in space you have MORE atmosphere to pass through.

on Jul 10, 2009

i am pretty sure it is the curvature of the earth and not the atmosphere. the atmosphere is also going to be there when you blow it up in space. actually in space you have MORE atmosphere to pass through.

 

It isn't about how much atmosphere is penetrated, it is how much area can be covered before it hits the atmosphere.  So YES, it is about the curvature of the planet.  I wrote one of the long detailed posts earlier talking about that......

When you have a high altitude detonation, you can hit a large area of atmosphere freeing up electrons which then proceed to travel generally downward towards the surface until they get re-absorbed by the atmosphere, or go to ground at the surface.

on Jul 10, 2009

ManSh00ter
Outside of bad science fiction, no.

But I'm always interested in things I don't know.

As you wish... Not exactly the same type of EMP we're discussing, but nevertheless...

"The U.S. Air Force has hit Iraqi TV with an experimental electronmagetic pulse device called the 'E-Bomb' in an attempt to knock it off the air and shut down Saddam Hussein's propaganda machine. Iraqi satellite TV, which broadcasts 24 hours a day outside Iraq, went off the air around 4:30 a.m. local time."

- CBS News, 3-25-03

       E-bombs can unleash in a flash as much electrical power—2 billion watts or more—as the Hoover Dam generates in 24 hours. [And], although the Pentagon prefers not to use experimental weapons on the battlefield, "the world intervenes from time to time," - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

- Time Magazine, 1-19-03

 

While American versions of these weapons are based on advanced technologies, terrorists could use a less expensive, low-tech approach to create the same destructive power. "Any nation with even a 1940s technology base could make them," says Carlo Kopp, an Australian-based expert on high-tech warfare. "The threat of E-bomb proliferation is very real." POPULAR MECHANICS estimates a basic weapon could be built for just $400.

 

 

Btw, I found a link to this article concerning the actual topic of this thread on the homepage of Nightwatch ... no wait... I mean Homeland Security...

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/grigrich_emp_weapon/2009/03/29/197257.html?s=al&promo_code=7D18-1

 

on Jul 10, 2009

When you have a high altitude detonation, you can hit a large area of atmosphere freeing up electrons which then proceed to travel generally downward towards the surface until they get re-absorbed by the atmosphere, or go to ground at the surface.

Which, if true, would result in lots of lightening strikes (against which we are well protected), but no EMP.

EMP is not free electrons hitting electric devices. it is electromagnetic radiation (photons) hitting metals and producing / increasing their electric charge.

on Jul 10, 2009

It has little to do with atmosphere - it has a lot to do with the ionosphere; you need to be above it in order to knock out electrons downwards and create a chain effect which shifts the earth's magnetic field and produces the EMP effect.

E-bombs, yes, those devices fall into the category of NNEMP and are fairly innefective for anything BUT knocking out radio and TV stations with little material damage. In other words, highly specialized devices with not nearly as widespread effect radius as a nuclear EMP.

And again, both the threat of a nuclear EMP and NNEMP attacks are non-existant. Both are just a method of creating more public paranoia, and in the case of the author of the book mentioned by the OP, of cashing in on said paranoia. Doomsday stories involving the omnipresent terrorists sell well.

As long as the public believes it is surrounded by enemies, the weapon industry lobbyists can pressure Congress into shifting more taxpayer dollars into making shiny new toys.

Those toys are then displayed in some war to awe the public, and remind them that "if we have them, they can have them as well" - so that the public can stay afraid of their own bombs, in a way, and keep paying to make new, better ones.

Nifty, eh?

on Jul 10, 2009

EMP effect is created when a magnetic field passes over a piece of metal. For example, most power plants basically use their mode of energy procurement (hydro, thermal, nuclear, wind) to spin a turbine at high RPM. This turbine houses coils of wire which spin through a static magnetic field - or spinning magnetic rotating around fixed coils of wire. The result is an electric charge being induced in the wire, which produces a pulse of electricity. String a lot of such pulses together and you get alternating current.

EMP does the same thing on a large scale. The magnetic field is big as a country. The wire is the country's power lines. This creates the massive overload spike which can knock out the entire power grid out of function.

It cannot, however, fry your wristwatch or cell phone.

on Jul 10, 2009

Which, if true, would result in lots of lightening strikes (against which we are well protected), but no EMP.

EMP is not free electrons hitting electric devices. it is electromagnetic radiation (photons) hitting metals and producing / increasing their electric charge.

I'm pretty tired of writing the same thing over and over again, especially since it seems like you didn't bother to read the thread.  I went into a lot more detail earlier in the thread, including a description of the EMP effect that damages microchips.  Consider them Easter Eggs to search for if you want to know more, or better yet, just go do your own research on the internet.

on Jul 10, 2009

EMP is easy to get over. All you need to do is reverse the polarity on a sub-space tachyon field generator, and link it up to a radio telescope so it emits a wide band polaron beam.

on Jul 10, 2009
But wouldn't that run the risk of destabilizing the local quantum polarity to the point of causing a cascade continuum failure with a possible sub-space rift forming?
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