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The odds of UFOs and aliens visiting earth seem remote
Published on January 12, 2004 By Draginol In Pure Technology

I often talk to people who are convinced that that aliens are visiting our planet. They believe in UFOs.  Having thought about it, I've concluded that it's highly unlikely that we're being visited by aliens.

It's not that I don't think there is intelligent life in the universe. Space is big. Very big. And there are trillions of worlds in this universe and so statistically it seems pretty likely there are intelligent beings on other planets. But how close would these beings be?  One of the great misconceptions about evolution is that intelligent life, such as humans, is inevitable.  It's not. In fact, consider this: In the something like 3 billion years that the Earth has existed, humans are the only ecomorph that could have built a civilization.

Let's talk about ecomorphs first.  An ecomorph is a general bodily shape. Pick a time in history and odds are the same ecomorphs will appear.  Eliminate mammals and reptiles from a habitat and eventually you will end up with birds that will fill all the ecomorphs. Hard to believe? It's happened countless times.  New Zealand was once totally dominated by birds who filled in all the common ecomorphs. Mammals and reptiles failed to colonize New Zealand because of its relative isolation. Over time, these birds evolved to form the common ecomorphs (flying predators, land based predators, land based herbivores, etc.).  We think of birds as feathered flying things because that is the one ecomorph that this particular class of animal has successfully dominated.  But take away the mammals and reptiles from say North America, give some time, and you'll end up with herds of large animals that are essentially flightless birds.

Some ecomorphs show up again and again. Vultures, for instance, are on every continent even though genetically they have nothing in common. They are simply two types of birds that evolved to fill that niche (the flying carrion eater). It's really the niche that determines the ecomorph.

Which brings us back to our friends the humans. Humans have a few very unusual traits amongst animals. Traits that are all required in order to have built civilization (as we know it anyway). The first trait is obvious - large brains. Brains, however, are not very advantageous until they get to a certain point. They consume a great deal of energy and thus require a lot of food to power. That energy has to deliver something pretty useful in exchange or the species quickly becomes extinct. A large brain on its own isn't enough. Dolphins have reasonably large brains and they're not likely to be colonizing space any time soon. This brings us to the second particularly unusual trait amongst humans - our arms (not hands, we'll get to that). Consider every animal you can think of in the history of the world. How many can perform the simple duty of reaching back and touching their own backs?  In the 3+ billion years that life of some sort has existed on this planet, only primates have evolved to be able to do that. What a fantastical coincidence that primates happened to be blessed not just with this truly unique ability but also have large brains? And don't kid yourself, the two did not evolve together. These two things were happy coincidence that led to the final and most important and unique trait for humans.

The last and most important trait that is unique to humans and yet required to build a civilization is our hands.  Once again, out of the billions of species of animals that have existed on this planet, only humans have hands this dexterous. Not even our primate cousins can do as much with their hands as we can. Forget our huge brains for a second. Our hands on their own are truly unique. We can make things with our hands. Of course, making things with our hands would mean nothing without our large brains. But having one does not necessarily mean the other would evolve.  Give a gazelle a large brain and it's still lion food. Give it our hands and it's still going to get chowed down too.

In other words, humans aren't just unique for our large brains. There are 3 different wholly unique aspects to humans that in all the history of our planet never evolved as an ecomorph before. The dinosaurs roamed the earth from 300 million years ago to 65 million years ago. Did any of them have the ability to reach behind their heads? Did any of them have hands that could grasp and manipulate anything? Did any of them have particularly large brains? No. The closest you get are the raptors who are probably only as smart as a mid level mammal (despite what Jurassic Park may make you think). And they weren't scratching their backs with their claws.

And consider the unlikely ness that mammals are the dominate species at all. If it weren't for a meteor hitting the earth precisely 65 million years ago there's nothing to say that dinosaurs wouldn't still be masters of this planet and our ancestors still being small rodents on the edge of extinction.

So what does this have to do with aliens? A lot actually. You see, while we can debate all day whether life may exist elsewhere in this galaxy or universe, the real question comes down to what are the odds of intelligent life existing. Even if you manage to get life going in the first place somehow, and even if they somehow manage some sort of sexual reproduction or equivalent, you aren't anywhere close to having intelligent life. And I suspect just getting complex life requires a number of exceedingly unlikely events to occur. And it seems pretty obvious that getting to intelligent life requires a set of remarkable coincidences that are so unique and so unlikely that it's not something we're likely to find on even 1 out of a billion planets that already have complex life.

Which doesn't rule out intelligent life. Like I said, space is big. But that's also the problem. Space is very very big. And so if there is other intelligent life out there, the odds are that it is very very far away.

And if it is really that far, it just doesn't seem likely that they would use their trans-galactic-warp engines to buzz hicks on farms like a bunch of rowdy teens taking out dad's car.  I think the more likely scenario is that intelligent life is simply too far away for us to realistically ever come in contact with. Then again, I could be wrong. And if so, I'll be the first to welcome our hyper-intelligent space ant overlords.


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on Jan 13, 2004
Eeep!

Maybe we should make a list of things accidently discovered in the name of science that has proven useful to mankind, though not the original invention intended.
on Jan 14, 2004
Penicillin - accidental discovery

Microwave ovens - accidental discovery

To name 2 off the top of my head.

Paul.
on Jan 14, 2004
What you say about humans being able to build with their hands is true, however you should also note that many other animals can build elaborate and complex structures (think insects, termite colonies etc.) using whatever means available to them physically. While it might not seem like such a great achievement to many people it ensures the survival and growth of the colony. kind of the same reasons humans started building shelters once upon a time so long ago
on Jan 14, 2004
Anio has something there. Ants (why are we stuck on using ant comparisions? lol) do build complex colonies. But to us, they're insignificant. How would we identify
alien life if it is so advanced that we could not recognize it? "Perhaps a conglomeration of energy that can move about space without a second though. Perhaps something that lives in the dust cloud of comet."-Thanks JeremyG. Compare our own world and apply it to the universe.
Maybe this life that exists off of this planet sees us as ...(wait, I'm starting to repeat myself)...trailer trash of the universe and says "Now stay away from earth, you might catch a filthy disease"..
on Jan 14, 2004

The complexity of things are still limited by real world ecomorph issues.

Ants and other "super organisms" still are limited by their ecomorph. Even if they had intelligence, they would still be unable (as far as I can tell, obviously if we want to just throw up our arms and say "Well there could be really alien life forms out there that we just can't imagine" then we might as well stop now and assume that there are crystaline based life forms or whatever) to build machines with moving parts.

And intelligence is also something not likely to have eovlved. I like Ender's game as much as the next person but from a scientific point of view, giant insects aren't going to happen physically (And in Ender's game they still required a magic power of instant communication). Intelligence has to evolve one way or the other (unless you believe in creation at which point anything's possible and again the discussion ends). And in the cruel world of natural selection, it has to pay off pretty quickly. That's why brain size and complexity haven't come up in evolution -- it's always been a disadvantage for the most part.

on Jan 16, 2004
Speaking of giant insects ...

I used to love films and TV programs when I was a kid with gigantic scorpions, ants, crabs, monsters. Then I became a scientist and learnt about scaling factors, and pressure and materials. Simple matematics can prove that giant insects cannot exist in their basic states, as bones would be too weak, organs unable to function, heating / cooling systems inadequate, etc. I'm not saying it's impossible for giant insects to evolve, just that they would NOT be giant versions of current insects. Sad really!

As for insects making machinery with moving parts, I'm not sure. Physically it is possibly that a few insects together could fashion a simple moving tool, but would they ever be able to make that leap in intelligence? Don't know.

paul.
on Jan 16, 2004
The universe is big right? With infinite numbers of possibilities. The concept of infinity is difficult to imagine. With an infinite universe there is an infinite amount of planets that can exist right...so there could be a planet where dogs have evolved to be the dominant species or cats or anything. I just hope that there is one planet out there for everyone, for me personally it would be a planet with nothing but supermodels and the funny thing is no one can rule it out because if the universe is infinite than in essence it is a possibility...just a thought
on Jan 20, 2004
You know find strange about this thread it is not physically possible to go to the next star over.

Relativity has been tested and it is real and I do not believe than Space can be folded or there in
anyway that Faster than Light speed is possible.

So how does ET visit even if they are all over the place.

If I am wrong and ET does visit, why does he not come by and say Hello ?

What am I going to hear next ET a totally Alien has heard of the prime directive and
us stupid Humans have to be protected until we evolve ?

Please if we are all that Primitive maybe ET will see us as Cattle.

I went to a lecture once in which the question was can live evolve with something other than Carbon.
It turns out than Carbon is the only element that is reactive enough and common enough to create life.
In theory Silicon would work but it takes much more energy to create the complex chemicals needed.
on Jan 20, 2004
OOPS
on Jan 20, 2004
"With an infinite universe there is an infinite amount of planets that can exist right"

It's not true. We live in a finite universe. Very, very mind boggling big, but finite.

http://spaceplace.jpl.nasa.gov/phonedrmarc/dec2002.html This is aimed for kids, but it's NASA site.

Anyways, I feel that other aliens is possible. Only thing I question is aliens being on earth.
on Jan 20, 2004
Personally I am all but convinced of alien existence on this planet. I have never seen a UFO nor an alien. Then again I've never seen a vitaminC, but also accept it's reality.
To: psychx: What you are speculating on is also part of a thing termed the multiverse. Go punch it in and it will cover a lot of possibilities. I haven't gotten over a universe having a rock so big God can't pick it up, or a universe in which no multiverse exists though. The logic ties one in knots.
To: Technician: A Tachyon can travel faster than light and there is hypothesis of a membraneous structure which could then transport inside it. Thought is also faster than light, but it's mass is in question. Light is being trapped in faceted structures which then can contain it infinitely, which has some real possibilities. Consider shooting a beam of light into a diamond in which the faces all lead to end which is blocked off with entrance before it reflects back. You'd have light in a diamond forever. As for relativity, it is not doing so well these days. There is a re-examination of Einsteins submission and finding of two variant papers. I suspect his findings were of import to construction of A-bombs so is now withheld from the college aged students, allowing them to pass with insufficient data. At the end of his life Einstein encountered a thesis by Wilhelm Reich which seemed to demonstrate physically a non-unified force, termed "Orgone". It was observed of this energy, "Being mass free, Orgone has no weight." Yet it could be seen and measured. Check out Reich as he was subject of last Court ordered public book-burning in USA in 1954, to stop others from learning of his work. Maxwell also has survived "relativity" well, though he was overruled in Einstein's time. Also, there are life forms on bottom of oceans which are not carbon-based but sulphur-based and need no sunlight to exist it seems. Clay has been demonstrated to have structure to allow enzymes to collect and reproduce. Clay, it is said, is a hardy form of low-tech life.
To: Brad Wardell: This is good post please put up more on this topic as it invites comment well.
on Jan 20, 2004
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on Jan 21, 2004
Hello fellow lifeforms.i have a higher level of intelligence than you hu-mans that is why i demand you send me 100 of your hot earth women to this address 25 ******* ******* ****** somewhere in asia
on Jan 30, 2004
I look at it this way: No matter what we have proven definitly, we can still be surprised to find out we might be wrong.
SO anything is possible..Just HIGHLY Improbable.
on Jan 31, 2004
I find that comment highly questionable and doubtful. Despite the absolute proof to the contrary, it is hypothetically feasible and likely. Or am I just being impossible? Ha ha(joking around)...
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