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The odds of UFOs and aliens visiting earth seem remote
Published on January 12, 2004 By Draginol In Pure Technology

I often talk to people who are convinced that that aliens are visiting our planet. They believe in UFOs.  Having thought about it, I've concluded that it's highly unlikely that we're being visited by aliens.

It's not that I don't think there is intelligent life in the universe. Space is big. Very big. And there are trillions of worlds in this universe and so statistically it seems pretty likely there are intelligent beings on other planets. But how close would these beings be?  One of the great misconceptions about evolution is that intelligent life, such as humans, is inevitable.  It's not. In fact, consider this: In the something like 3 billion years that the Earth has existed, humans are the only ecomorph that could have built a civilization.

Let's talk about ecomorphs first.  An ecomorph is a general bodily shape. Pick a time in history and odds are the same ecomorphs will appear.  Eliminate mammals and reptiles from a habitat and eventually you will end up with birds that will fill all the ecomorphs. Hard to believe? It's happened countless times.  New Zealand was once totally dominated by birds who filled in all the common ecomorphs. Mammals and reptiles failed to colonize New Zealand because of its relative isolation. Over time, these birds evolved to form the common ecomorphs (flying predators, land based predators, land based herbivores, etc.).  We think of birds as feathered flying things because that is the one ecomorph that this particular class of animal has successfully dominated.  But take away the mammals and reptiles from say North America, give some time, and you'll end up with herds of large animals that are essentially flightless birds.

Some ecomorphs show up again and again. Vultures, for instance, are on every continent even though genetically they have nothing in common. They are simply two types of birds that evolved to fill that niche (the flying carrion eater). It's really the niche that determines the ecomorph.

Which brings us back to our friends the humans. Humans have a few very unusual traits amongst animals. Traits that are all required in order to have built civilization (as we know it anyway). The first trait is obvious - large brains. Brains, however, are not very advantageous until they get to a certain point. They consume a great deal of energy and thus require a lot of food to power. That energy has to deliver something pretty useful in exchange or the species quickly becomes extinct. A large brain on its own isn't enough. Dolphins have reasonably large brains and they're not likely to be colonizing space any time soon. This brings us to the second particularly unusual trait amongst humans - our arms (not hands, we'll get to that). Consider every animal you can think of in the history of the world. How many can perform the simple duty of reaching back and touching their own backs?  In the 3+ billion years that life of some sort has existed on this planet, only primates have evolved to be able to do that. What a fantastical coincidence that primates happened to be blessed not just with this truly unique ability but also have large brains? And don't kid yourself, the two did not evolve together. These two things were happy coincidence that led to the final and most important and unique trait for humans.

The last and most important trait that is unique to humans and yet required to build a civilization is our hands.  Once again, out of the billions of species of animals that have existed on this planet, only humans have hands this dexterous. Not even our primate cousins can do as much with their hands as we can. Forget our huge brains for a second. Our hands on their own are truly unique. We can make things with our hands. Of course, making things with our hands would mean nothing without our large brains. But having one does not necessarily mean the other would evolve.  Give a gazelle a large brain and it's still lion food. Give it our hands and it's still going to get chowed down too.

In other words, humans aren't just unique for our large brains. There are 3 different wholly unique aspects to humans that in all the history of our planet never evolved as an ecomorph before. The dinosaurs roamed the earth from 300 million years ago to 65 million years ago. Did any of them have the ability to reach behind their heads? Did any of them have hands that could grasp and manipulate anything? Did any of them have particularly large brains? No. The closest you get are the raptors who are probably only as smart as a mid level mammal (despite what Jurassic Park may make you think). And they weren't scratching their backs with their claws.

And consider the unlikely ness that mammals are the dominate species at all. If it weren't for a meteor hitting the earth precisely 65 million years ago there's nothing to say that dinosaurs wouldn't still be masters of this planet and our ancestors still being small rodents on the edge of extinction.

So what does this have to do with aliens? A lot actually. You see, while we can debate all day whether life may exist elsewhere in this galaxy or universe, the real question comes down to what are the odds of intelligent life existing. Even if you manage to get life going in the first place somehow, and even if they somehow manage some sort of sexual reproduction or equivalent, you aren't anywhere close to having intelligent life. And I suspect just getting complex life requires a number of exceedingly unlikely events to occur. And it seems pretty obvious that getting to intelligent life requires a set of remarkable coincidences that are so unique and so unlikely that it's not something we're likely to find on even 1 out of a billion planets that already have complex life.

Which doesn't rule out intelligent life. Like I said, space is big. But that's also the problem. Space is very very big. And so if there is other intelligent life out there, the odds are that it is very very far away.

And if it is really that far, it just doesn't seem likely that they would use their trans-galactic-warp engines to buzz hicks on farms like a bunch of rowdy teens taking out dad's car.  I think the more likely scenario is that intelligent life is simply too far away for us to realistically ever come in contact with. Then again, I could be wrong. And if so, I'll be the first to welcome our hyper-intelligent space ant overlords.


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on Jun 02, 2005
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on Jun 02, 2005
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on Jun 02, 2005
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on Jun 10, 2005
#5 by Nakor


Quetion, do you also play chess at chessworld.net?

--Brad, nice article, IMO aliens wouldn't bother with us, if you think about it, if they had technology to travel billions of miles, then why would they bother with such a low tech species...one could say they are studying us...i.e. biology,etc... I'm not sure, one thing i have heard was that aliens are on earth,etc... (said by Silvia Browne,psychic) I believe in those types of things as a friend of mine channels....anyway,off topic...
on Jun 10, 2005
bitch



Black List...
on Jun 10, 2005
The REAL question is whether there is intelligent life on Earth.
on Jun 13, 2005
The REAL question is whether there is intelligent life on Earth


--LMAO

Sooo true... unfortunatley, that is something that i think earth lacks...(no offense)
on Jun 20, 2005
Wahkonta Anathema, where did you get your information about the 'physics' in your post? A tachyon is a hypothetical particle. Einstein's theory of special relativity was born out of Maxwell's equations, and does not disagree with them as you seem to suggest. As a physics major, i've never heard of this Orgone, and I highly doubt it is backed up by any facts, especially since you talk about it being a force, and having mass and weight, and call it an energy. All together it makes no sense.
on Jun 20, 2005
OK the universe is BIG, but..the whole thing is built up by atoms, right ?
Here it goes,there is more space(nothing)between atoms, than there are atoms in the
universe.That goes for everything. So then we can say that the universe and everything mostly consist of nothing. IE it does not exist !PUH
on Oct 24, 2006
But that's also the problem. Space is very very big. And so if there is other intelligent life out there, the odds are that it is very very far away.


This is what I think too.

I like to think there is another planet or planets out there that contain intelligent life forms either like us or similar to us but certainly better than us.

I sometimes think about Eric Von Donicans (Sp) books and have wild imaginings about mankinds beginnings on earth - I found his books very interesting to read though I do not live by them! His theories and suggestions opened up a whole different world as opposed to the one the "Bible" tries to push on us. Fascinating stuff, considered a load of tripe by many.

I also do not believe we are being visited by aliens - even though I have witnessed very fast lights out in the night sky moving at unbelievable speeds and across huge distances in a fraction of a second etc.. There is just no believable evidence to that effect. Strange things do happen on the earth but most have scientific explanations to them - but that takes the fun of wild imaginings out of it!


This article was a very interesting read - thank you
on Nov 02, 2006
Lets say, that you are a creator a god, and that you created the universe, and in this universe, because you were created by the creator, and he created the universe perhaps, he also created the rules, you have to follow the laws of the universe, time moves at a consistent pace depending on your speed, gravity, physics, chemistry, nature all that stuff is the outline and framework of the existence.

Might we perhaps be some science expriement of a creator, our reality is the universal reality, at least as we perceive it, but we as humans probably didn't create ourselves, anymore then mice created themselves without wings, or dinosaurs didn't create themselves with a resistance to weather changes. Assuming we didn't evolve from protozoa or whatever.

It could be logical to conclude that the creator set a speed limit in space, i.e. the speed of light, and that everything inside the universe must subject itself to that law, additionally the distance between stars and civilizations is many years in fact, lifetimes, perhaps this was done to prevent intergalatic wars. Assuming there is other life out in the galaxy somewhere, it's only logical to assume that given that there is life here. Just like you can assume that because there are the conditions for life at least once in the universe there would logically be at least another occurance and probably many many many more of the same inside the scope of a large series of numbers which is the universe.

Similar to how you seperate pets cats and goldfish, as a creator wanting to keep your expriements and studies, we would be obviously an observation expriement, not a hands-on type of thing, at least if you look at how things are going right now in the world and have been, there doesn't seem to be some divine influence at least no provable and conclusive divine cause and effect influence. Back to what I was saying. Stars and star systems are far apart, meaning wars couldn't ever really happen, not realistically, communication could barely occur. Perhaps the creator is bound to the laws of the universe itself as well.

An interesting question is who created the creator? If the creator exists, has the creator always existed? Rather then asking what the creator created us for, our purpose, one could ask what is the purpose of the creator? Who/What/Why was the creator created?

This train of though only works if you accept a creator or even the possibility of a creator, and that the laws of physics and the universe can't be broken. As far as I know the laws of the universe cannot be broken, i.e. conservation of mattter, exceeding the speed of light, etc.

But perhaps if we find a way to accomlish those things, then rather then just dreaming and guessing about whats going on outside our limited existence, in our bed, our home, our neighborhood, our city/community, our state, our country, our alliances, our world, beyond this beyond our galaxy. If we can go faster then light we could go beyond our own universe eventually, as a civilization.

Maybe it is possible to exceed the speed of light and you fall into the trap of being everywhere always, if that happens perhaps you rip into a new dimension and cease to have ever existed in this one. There is a lot of deep thought to be had about what really is the answer. We'll never know for sure, that's another rule of the universe, I just made it up, but I think it makes sense.

I'm not prepared to defend the ideas I expressed as fact, but I welcome comments discussion. It's facinating discussing stuff like this.
on Nov 06, 2006
I have another few thoughts on Aliens, hehe.

The universe is either infinte or finite. At this point there are only two things that exist that are infinite. Our imaginations, really can't be defined/captured, humans have shown the ability to comprehend numbers and figures so large and small to be infintecimal, and the universe, because of our lack of being able to conclusively mesuare maye be infinite. Every shape, every form, on our planet, in our solar system, in our galaxy, is at least finite and definable. They're made up of atoms which are also definable. Bottom line is we exist.

Since there are trillions and trillions of other stars, samples basically, out there even if only a small fraction of those contain, all the necessities, solar stability, oxygen, carbon, all the elements neceessary, temperature pressure, cycles present on our world, and the time needed, obviously it took a while for brains to get smart enough and complex enough to become self aware and able to think abstractly, life to develop to this point, it becomes obvious that eventually life would develop to the point that human life has on Earth.

Now, lets say this has happened not just once but lots of times, before our general time and of course after, maybe not exactly the same but obviously races if its possible could develope the capability of expanding and exploring.

Since living on the space station sucks so much compared to being on the planet, and the idea of living on the moon or mars, no women, no beer, stale food, bad gravity, no cable, I mean come on how exciting would that be for real? I could envision only that a civilization would make the effort if they knew staying on their own rock meant dying.

Near sun's effective lifespan coming to an end. Or planet orbiting a star which is soon to be passing through a very stormy area of space, asteroids or dust clouds, whatever, kinda like being on an island during a hurricane, you leave if u can. If the hurricane lasted for hundreds or thousands of years and meant the island would be uninhabitable for a long time you'd try to leave. Perhaps a few thousand years of advance knowledge would be necessary or even a few hundred depending on how advanced a civilization becomes. Another question is how advanced can a civilization become on a planet orbiting a star? How efficient and intelligent can a race be? Is there ever enough resources, energy, and time to escape the solar captivity of a star system. How about the survial in space? Could you really take even a small portion of a civilization outside the local solar system?

Before the advent of the railroad, and automobile it was pretty common for people to just live and die within a few dozen miles of their starting place, hardly ever traveling long distances, with the pioneers and railroads that changed, but I see space exploration in very much the same way. Even at light speed, it would take us about 4 years to get to the nearest star I think it was quoted to me sometime ago. I would wager that about half light speed might be possible if light speed is the absolute maximum speed of the universe, how we would ever reach that speed is a mystery, but even with our best available or dreampt engines it would take us hundreds or even thousands of years to reach our nearest neighbors.

If there are aliens out there, and there probably are, when do we become a problem for them? I don't think the advent of nuclear technology is even a problem for them. Not until we start moving out beyond our own solar system. Thats why I don't think that even if there are aliens out there that know about us they'd even bother to communicate with us, or check us out. If they're smarter then us, they'd probably just ignore us.

NASA has talked about a manned mission to Mars, and if successful I would be very impressed about someone being able to survive on another planet for an extended period and then coming back to Earth, that would be interesting but it would also expand on the idea that eventual small scale colonization of Mars or the moon would be possible, for research and meddling hehe. The fact that there is basically no rescue option for a Mars mission and any mission outside the solar system is troubling. If you leave the solar system, you become more suceptable to the gravity fields of other stars and space phenomenon, not sure if its harder to meausre that outside of the solar system but even small deviations of course, and the fact that energy for course corrections would be very small, would make extra solar travel probably suicidal. Even a trip to the nearest star, and making an orbit of it and then coming back to our own solar system, would probably not be possible in the distant future.

Has anybody thought further about what would be needed to perform some sort of extra solar mission?
on Nov 07, 2006
An interesting question is who created the creator? If the creator exists, has the creator always existed? Rather then asking what the creator created us for, our purpose, one could ask what is the purpose of the creator? Who/What/Why was the creator created?


Maybe it is possible to exceed the speed of light and you fall into the trap of being everywhere always, if that happens perhaps you rip into a new dimension and cease to have ever existed in this one. There is a lot of deep thought to be had about what really is the answer. We'll never know for sure, that's another rule of the universe, I just made it up, but I think it makes sense.


I love these questions they open up so many doors and possiblities that can be explored in ones imagination!

Before the advent of the railroad, and automobile it was pretty common for people to just live and die within a few dozen miles of their starting place, hardly ever traveling long distances, with the pioneers and railroads that changed, but I see space exploration in very much the same way. Even at light speed, it would take us about 4 years to get to the nearest star I think it was quoted to me sometime ago. I would wager that about half light speed might be possible if light speed is the absolute maximum speed of the universe, how we would ever reach that speed is a mystery, but even with our best available or dreampt engines it would take us hundreds or even thousands of years to reach our nearest neighbors.


Now this paragraph started out with an interesting but taken for granted fact one you do not really think about often if ever. Then it builds up to 4 years to reach the nearest star and my pulse starts to race with excitement and I am thinking - Captain Janeway adventures might happen! hmmm then you hit me with reality! Hundred/thousands of years to reach our neighbours. Damn!

would make extra solar travel probably suicidal


I would definitely volunteer for it without any second thoughts, assuming of course I could get a brain and personality transplant first as I would be hung by the crew within days of leaving earths orbit for being obnoxious!   

I enjoy posts like this and the comments that follow, they are for me very interesting read and I spend hours after reading them jsut thinking about all the possibilities and impossibilites of what could or could not be and what fun it would be if it were.
on Nov 07, 2006
Thanks for some positive encouragement, not everyone on here is a racist bigot or eternal pessimist.

I think that a lot of the questions that were asked about how we are and what we are, that were asked at the dawn of language, the time before religion was invented to guide us, when people could just exist together without needing to know all the answers. That must have been bliss.

Sure no toilets or electricity, internet, phones, lol, but plenty of free time.

Realistically though do you think we'd ever get a good shot of getting of Earth, setting up shop on another planet and sending back an email about it? I doubt it, I think human self destructive nature as well as greed and the negative things of human nature in general combined with the same advancement that is necessary to break from the bonds of the planet will prevent us from ever becoming a danger or even a neighbor in the stars. At least at the rate of human civilization as it stands today and has for recorded history. Perhaps now I'm sounding like an eternal pessimist.
on Nov 11, 2006
Gosh nobody seems interested in saying much at all these past few days, or at least on the forums I'm hanging out on. Lonely.
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