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Our heart will go on but not our mind
Published on October 18, 2003 By Draginol In Pure Technology

"Oh we're getting quite close to cracking the secret to immortality"

So we hear anyway from scientists who are exploring the secrets of anti-aging. Basically there are a handful of theories on what causes aging and how we might stop it. One of the more promising ones is gene therapy. Through gene therapy we can restore our tissues to the healthy adult level and hence delay or completely stop the onset of old age.  I have a number of books around here that talk about various strategies, today, that can be used to slow down aging (caloric intake being the biggest - those empty calories will wear you down my friends).

Many on-line sellers are now selling human growth hormone (HGH) as a mechanism to delay the onset of old age.  I don't know if they work or not. There's a site dedicated to keeping up with news on whether we will be able to eventually stop aging or at least slow it down to live hundreds if not thousands of years.

But according to a neurologist friend of mine, don't expect to live more than 120 years. The reasons are ones that rarely get talked about. What he said was that the brain begins to break down pretty rapidly in most people around 80 years (with a few exceptions). What we call Alzheimer's is just one of an entire world of forms of dementia waiting for us. 

He contends that it's quite likely that we'll figure out some way at some point to make it so that we're no longer dying of organ failures, heart disease, or even cancer. But in the end, dementia will get us. To that I asked, "Well, don't you think we'll cure Alzheimer's?" Which he responded, "Oh sure of course. And then something else will pop up similar to Alzheimer's that will take decades to cure. And then something after that, and another after that, and so on with each one getting harder and harder to treat."

Or put another way, we may solve our heart problems but our brains are going to be the death of us yet. So if you're thinking you may live to 150 years due to medical technology, think again. At best, your body may last to 150 years but your mind won't.

 


Comments
on Oct 18, 2003
I think living forever now is more of a holy grail type quest, you don't really go on it expecting to get it but because of the journey and the benifits of it. Yes, I think we'll eventually live longer than we'd ever want now (but we'll always say, "I'm not happy! I want to live longer!"). I think we'll come up with a creative solution like storing a person's DNA in a jar or something untill they start to decompose and then use it to rebuild them or some crazy idea like that. Who knows what tommarow will bring.
on Oct 18, 2003
It's always been my impression that the problem is that nerve cells are incapable of regenerating. But scientists have already been successful in growing new cells, and I don't think it's an impossible task.

Actually, as long as it doesn't violate the laws of physics, eventually we'll be able to do just about anything. I just hope it comes in the next 50 or so years
on Oct 18, 2003
Based on what I have read lately I don't think our brains will have a problem lasting as long as our bodies. Dementia seems to be a Western illness. There are many examples of people in other cultures living to 100+ while maintaing good health in body as well as mind, such as Okinawa and various isolated "tribes" of people in different parts of the world. One striking example is this group of isolated people who live in the Himalaya's (I don't recall their name). There is only one road to where they live and it is only open 3 months of the year. Prior to 1970 the health of these people was simply outstanding. Heart disease, cancer, dementia, ulcers, arthritis, asthma, and depression (and many other illnesses) were virtually unknown to these people. They maintained this level of health well into their old age. Seeing a 90+ year old man quickly hike 3 miles up the side of a mountain with a load on his back was a common sight.

But this is not the case anymore.

In 1970 (or so) a paved road was put in to the nearest town and with it brought the western diet/lifestyle. Today these people have all the diseases that we do in roughly the same ratios as we do. This same thing can be seen in Japan today. As they become more westernized they become increasingly susceptible to western diseases.

It seems entirely realistic that anyone who is in there 30's or younger could reasonably expect to live 120+ years with good overall health with nothing more than eating well, exercising and limiting your exposure to toxins.
on Oct 18, 2003
We shall see. But living to 120 years is a lot different than what this discussion is about which is whether we can, through technology, slow or reverse the aging process.
on Oct 19, 2003
Personally, I don't think living forever would be as great as it seems. Yes, you could do what ever you wanted but living things aren't meant to not die. Birth is the beggining and death is the ending. It would be unnatural to not die just like it would be unnatural to be born in a factory from some cloning machine.
on Oct 20, 2003
Question: If you could live forever, would you and why?

Answer: I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever.
- Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss Universe contest

But, back to reality...... I could see technology allowing us to live to 120. But after seeing how hard old age is on my 85 year old Grandma, I doubt that I want to live that long. If there was some way that they could keep you feeling like you were 30 when you are 120 and still have clear thinking, than that would be cool. I have a feeling that we were just not meant to live that long, however.
on Oct 20, 2003
The tribe that I was speaking about is called the Hunza, in case anyone wants to look into it.

KarmaGirl, people have lived to 120 while maintaining relatively good health and a sound mind, so we already know that it's possible. Now, we just have to learn how to reproduce it.
on Nov 07, 2003
120 not long enough. I'm talking living to 400 and beyond in very good health.
on Jan 14, 2004
i am doing a sppeech on this and i am going against it because i would just get reaaallyy bored and want to die in the end!!!
on Jan 14, 2004
i am doing a sppeech on this and i am going against it because i would just get reaaallyy bored and want to die in the end!!!
on May 01, 2006
I like what you do, continue this way.