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Published on January 30, 2005 By Draginol In Business
I wrote in this article about my fear that the Democrats were going to drive themselves to extinction due to its inability to encourage its extremists to find a different party to belong to.

A new user called JTurnas responded:

Now for some advice to you Draginol. Anyone running a business shouldn't post public political opinions. Its only going to cost you big in sales. Those liberals have credit cards, just like the moderates, its only logical they will take their money elsewhere. You don't see political signs on a McDonalds, or a CompUSA, or a any other business do you? You don't see Bill Gates out on blog sites telling people that liberals are morons, do you? The average consumer can't tell you the political leanings of most all companies, and their CEOs. Theres a reason for this, and the reason is, its bad business. Think about that next time you post patronizing and insulting blogs about people you disagree with politcally. Remember, this is coming from a Moderate Conservative, before you even think about labeling me a bleeding heart liberal. You'd figure someone that proclaims themself to be "All Knowing" would have figured this out by now.

A pretty ballsy comment coming from someone who was obviously new to the site (and arrogant enough to "give advice" despite not having looked around the site very long).

Ignoring the fact that I've been writing politically-oriented articles here for the past 3 years. Ignoring that our company's revenue has steadily increased for those same past years. Ignoring that actually many CEOs are quite outspoken on their politics. Ignoring that the company I work for has people of all kinds of different political views. Ignoring that our company doesn't contribute to any political parties or groups. Ignoring that me having a blog is not analogous to having a political sign on the front of our building or company's website, let's assume his argument is true.

Let's assume that some number of people greater than 0 read my articles, find out where I work and decide not to purchase products or services from our company because of those opinions. 

The first problem I have with that attitude is that it assumes that because I've chosen to start my own business to create products and services and employ people that I somehow must limit my extra-work activities because it may hurt said company.
This assumes that "the company" is the be all end all reason for that person to exist. It assumes that CEOs have no life outside their work and all must be secondary to the needs of "the company".

The second problem is that it assumes that there are a lot of people who make purchasing decisions based on the political ideologies of CEOs. This is something quite different from celebrities who seem quite willing to shove their whacked out views on people. It's different because celebrities get media coverage for their ideologies because they're celebrities. The celebrity IS the product/service. By contrast, people read what I write mostly because of the content of what I write.

Most people reading this have no idea what my day job is. Nor do they care.  Lots of people do know where I work but most of them don't care either.

That I'm pro-choice on the abortion issue doesn't affect the quality of the artificial intelligence in our games. That I favor US foreign policy in Iraq doesn't affect the quality of visual styles I work on. That I favor personal accounts for Social Security doesn't impact the quality of our desktop enhancement software. In other words, my political opinions are totally disconnected with what I do. Moreover, anyone playing the one game that my political views might affect, The Political Machine, can tell you the game didn't favor either candidate.

It's not a freedom of speech thing. I'm not going to complain that my rights are being infringed simply because someone thinks I shouldn't write political blogs because someone will choose not to buy products or services from my employer. But it's a damn presumptuous assertion though.

So let me be clear: Anyone who makes purchasing decisions based on the political beliefs of an executive or founder of a company when the product or service is totally unrelated to those political beliefs is a moron. Only a moron would choose not to buy the best quality/priced car because their CEO maintains a blog where he write liberal or conservative essays. And frankly, I don't want a moron as a customer anyway.

Moreover, my job is a means to an end. It is not the ends unto itself. I work so that I can provide for my family. So even if my blogs caused a measurable amount of lost business, I wouldn't stop writing because I write for myself. I enjoy writing and I'll be damned if I'd stop writing about what I want to simply because it affects the bottom line at my job. I write on my own time. And as the principle stock holder at said job, I'm going to do what I want to do in my free time. Period.

I'd rather make less money and do what I want to do in my spare time than be a slave of the corporation.


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on Jan 30, 2005

Please direct mr Turnas' attention to this site:

http://www.smalldog.com/PHPbb/viewforum.php?f=1

This is the CEO of an Internet Mac COmpany that is VERY Liberal and pisses me off many times with his diatribes.  How do I know this?  Because when I need mac stuff, that is where I still go. His products and quality of merchandise have nothing to do with his errant political leanings.

On His behalf, I will say he is at least rational in his beliefs.

No, Mr. Turnas, you are not a moderate or conservative.  You are truly far left and bordering on insanity from the little I have read so far.

And check me if I am wrong, but is not Steve Jobs openly democrat?  And proud of it?  And is not one of the biggest Mac users around, none other than Rush Limbaugh?

I think Mr Turnas just stepped into the twilight zone!

on Jan 30, 2005
Yeah like stockholders really care what the political beliefs of the CEO are.

Where are my dividends damn it. When are you going to split 2 to 1.

Thppppt...
on Jan 30, 2005
I'd rather make less money and do what I want to do in my spare time than be a slave of the corporation.


As it should be.

Peace,

Beebes
on Jan 30, 2005
So let me be clear: Anyone who makes purchasing decisions based on the political beliefs of an executive or founder of a company when the product or service is totally unrelated to those political beliefs is a moron.


I find Warren Buffet's politics ghastly, but I still follow him around like a puppy looking for a snack. I also do have a good idea of Mr. Gates' ideology and it's never once affected my buying decisions.

Now, I can see where calling someone a "moron" could impact on that individual's buying decisions, but the CEO's political view would have to be pretty extreme ("I've decided all our profits for the next year will be divided equally among Pedophiles of America and the World Nazi Outreach") before it had a blanket detrimental effect.

on Jan 30, 2005

Of course, in order for me to be calling that person a moron they would already have to be someone who decides what to purchase based on the ideology of its CEO.

Amazon.com's CEO supposedly contributes to Democrats (I think it's Democrats).  I could care less. If they started deciding which books they carried based on the politics of the author, then I'd care.

on Jan 30, 2005

Amazon.com's CEO supposedly contributes to Democrats (I think it's Democrats). I could care less. If they started deciding which books they carried based on the politics of the author, then I'd care.

Cause then you would not frequent them.  The product line of small dog does not change with who is president of the country.

on Jan 30, 2005
Moreover, my job is a means to an end. It is not the ends unto itself.


Such a simple statement, and yet so profound at the same time. I try to describe this feeling to my sister-in-law all the time, but she doesn't get it. Her whole identity revolves around what she does. Everything else takes a backseat to her job. And she is surprised by the fact that she's never had a relationship with a man last more than 4 months. I'd like to give her a piece of my mind, but I'm not interested in starting any problems with my wife.
on Jan 30, 2005
Draginol, you just don't "Get it". Its not that you write politcal things, its what you write and how you write them, and the tone of your writting. Your inflamatory diatrides, and patronizing downspeak is obnoxious to say the least and this blog is no different with your constant name calling.. At the very least, if you are going to write political posts, then write well written, well concieved posts that make a point through logic and understand. The blogs you write are nothing more than flamebait troll posts designed to infuriate people and cause trouble. Most people grow out of those fairly early on in their internet careers, what's your excuse?

At the end of the day, you know I am correct in my analysis, and you know what you are doing is unbecoming of a business person. There is a reason you don't usually see CEO's on blogs rating and ravng and calling people morons. Maybe you should take the time to discover those reasons, and you might grow up in the process, and your company might be taken seriously. Perhaps you aren't well suited to run a corporation, perhaps you aren't happy with your life, but you sure do make it pretty obvious you have a substantial amount of pent up anger inside.
on Jan 30, 2005
JTurnas - you writing about Draginol or you writing yourself? Talk about being an obnoxious, know-it-all.

Sometimes with Bill talks about Bob you learn more about Bill than you do about Bob. Sounds like you are projecting your own personal failings onto Draginol.

I've read his articles for months and they rarely sound "angry" and always are well written.
on Jan 30, 2005
I think you're WAY off JTurnas. I disagree with Brad on a lot of his political views... strongly in some cases. However, I'm capable of separating out political views from the person, the person and from the company itself. I buy Stardock games and tools regardless of Brad's personal opinions. He could worship the Great Duck Feebleflob who visits him in his dreams in the form of a rubber duckie... doesn't make GalCiv any less fun, or cause DesktopX to crash.

Becoming a business person does not mean you suddenly have to keep your mouth shut and never say what you think. It would be unbecoming of him to walk up to a potential business partner he wanted to strike a deal with and calling them a moron for whatever reason. Here however, he's free to do as he pleases.

YOu need to learn how to separate politics from the person, and the person from the business. If you're making purchasing decisions based soley on what a CEO says on his own web site and not on the merits of the software itself, you're not too smart. I don't really like Michael Eisner all that much... I think he's a jerk. Should I then boycott Pixar/Disney films even though they're excellent movies?
on Jan 30, 2005

Draginol, you just don't "Get it". Its not that you write politcal things, its what you write and how you write them, and the tone of your writting. Your inflamatory diatrides, and patronizing downspeak is obnoxious to say the least and this blog is no different with your constant name calling.. At the very least, if you are going to write political posts, then write well written, well concieved posts that make a point through logic and understand. The blogs you write are nothing more than flamebait troll posts designed to infuriate people and cause trouble. Most people grow out of those fairly early on in their internet careers, what's your excuse?

A good friend of mine, who is very "far left" btw, write a lengthy essay that talks about the kind of people who use the phrase "you don't just get it" when they find themselves incapable of communicating or defending their position.  In his essay, he argues that most of the time, the "you just don't get it" line comes from people are are ultimately defending something that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.

Similarly, your argument is, IMO, based on similarly weak positions.

Let's take a look at them:

1) Your argument that my articles aren't well written, logical, etc.  That's your opinion. You're entitled to it. I don't agree with it. And I am willing to submit that most people, looking through my entire set of work, would not agree with your position.

2) You argue that my articles, because of the way they're written, could damage my business presupposed that my job is the end all be all rather than merely a means to an end.  I'm already "rich" by anyone's standard. And that is not because of my political views.  But even if, as you argue, my postings damage said business, I would not stop writing because the success of the company is not my paramount objective in life.  Providing for my family is my paramount objective. And as long as the company, or some other job, can do that, then I am content.  Being able to express my opinions, even if they're obnoxious, takes precedence over some inmeasureable business performance goal.

3) It should be noted that I, nor our company donate to any political causes.  In other words, someone buying one of our products or services is not, even indirectly, contributing to a political cause they disagree with.  The entirety of my political ideology manifests itself on the web, such as here, where those who opppose me have an equal ability to respond with their own articles.  Do you think, for instance, a Michael Moore, lets those who disagree with him have a free place on their site to write opposing points of view? 

4) I don't think most people, reading my articles, would consider what I write "ranting and raving".  Therefore, your conclusions do not pan out.  I.e. I certainly don't have a lot of pent up anger. I'm not even sure what I would be angry about. 

5) Regarding "Not being taken seriously". Our company is certainly taken seriously in the industries it is in IMO. Though quantifying "being taken seriously" is difficult.  I just returned from a media tour and given the instant results of that media tour, it sure FELT like we were being taken seriously.  

Having appeared in Time Magazine, US News & World Report, Newsweek, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC (ironically not FOXNews) in the past 6 months I certainly feel like we've been taken seriously.  In fact, our last computer game is about to be announced as having been nominated for Best Strategy Game of 2004 by the biggest computer games magazine.  Object Desktop won PC Magazine's 2004 Editor's Choice Award at the same time our last PC game won Editor's Choice Award from a major gaming publication.

But even if your assertion were true, that we aren't taken "seriously", it would certainly not be because of my political writings. 

Ultimately, it all comes down to percentages. Some percentage of people will read what I write and think of it as "mindless troll baiting".  However, I would assert that that percentage is very low. I also given how far off you were in psychoanalysing me in that other discussion where you asserted I was a Keirsey iNTj (I'm not) I think it is you that are reading far too much into what you read.

on Jan 30, 2005
Draginol, its not your fault, seriously. You are an INTJ, and much of what you do is controlled by this. For example, lets look at what much of the basis of an INTJ is. I suspect it fits you almost to the letter.

http://similarminds.com/mbjung/intj.html

loner, more interested in intellectual pursuits than relationships or family, not very altruistic, not very complimentary, would rather be friendless than jobless, observer, values solitude, perfectionist, detached, private, not much fun, hidden, skeptical, does not like most people, socially uncomfortable, not physically affectionate, unhappy, does not talk about feelings, hard to impress, analytical, likes esoteric things, pessimistic, not spontaneous, discontented, guarded, does not think they are weird but others do, responsible, insensitive to the misfortunes of others, orderly, clean, organized, familiar with darkside, does not value organized religion, suspicious of others, lonely, rarely shows anger, punctual, finisher, prepared

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scientist, dictator, forensic anthropologist, systems analyst, philosopher, nuclear engineer, political analyst, researcher, statistician, scholar, research scientist, computer scientist, software designer, curator, computer programmer, aerospace engineer, electrical engineer, paleontologist, english professor, philosophy professor, chemical engineer, epidemiologist, forensic scientist, museum curator, research assistant, mechanic, astronomer, figher pilot, librarian, systems administrator, neurosurgeon, book editor, biotechnology, archeologist, lab tech, bookstore owner

Amazing isn't it? Its not your fault the way you are, its your core personality you were born with. You just aren't meant to be a CEO or a good people manager. The Keirsey method is invaluable for finding out about people. When I discovered that you were an INTJ personality by reading your blogs, I had a level of understanding of your personality, personal life, traits, methods, and ideals that would generally take someone years of knowing you to discover.
on Jan 30, 2005

JTurnas:  No, I'm actually not an INTJ.

Moreover, your assessment of me is not just wrong but incredibly wrong.   I don't think anyone has ever described me as a "loner" before.  As I mentioned in another thread, I've taken that test before and it always comes out as eNTj or as a "Guardian" type. 

As someone else observed, it sounds like you are projecting.   Frankly, you must be one of the least observatant people (certainly the least empathic) if you conclude I'm introverted.  I am many things but not introverted.

Whether I'm "cut out"  to be a CEO or not in your opinion is ultimately irrelevant.  I've been a CEO most of my adult life having built a successful company in that time. 

on Jan 30, 2005

BTW, if you want to read what the Field Marshell (eNTj) profile you can learn more about it here:

http://keirsey.com/personality/ntej.html

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition, it is marshalling or situational organizing role that reaches the highest development in Fieldmarshals. As this kind of role is practiced some contingency organizing is necessary, so that the second suit of the Fieldmarshal's intellect is devising contingency plans. Structural and functional engineering, though practiced in some degree in the course of organizational operations, tend to be not nearly as well developed and are soon outstripped by the rapidly growing skills in organizing. But it must be said that any kind of strategic exercize tends to bring added strength to engineering as well as organizing skills.

As the organizing capabilities the Fieldmarshal increase so does their desire to let others know about whatever has come of their organizational efforts. So they tend to take up a directive role in their social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if they ever had any, to inform others.

Hardly more than two percent of the total population, the Fieldmarshals are bound to lead others, and from an early age they can be observed taking command of groups. In some cases, Fieldmarshals simply find themselves in charge of groups, and are mystified as to how this happened. But the reason is that Fieldmarshals have a strong natural urge to give structure and direction wherever they are -- to harness people in the field and to direct them to achieve distant goals. They resemble Supervisors in their tendency to establish plans for a task, enterprise, or organization, but Fieldmarshals search more for policy and goals than for regulations and procedures.

They cannot not build organizations, and cannot not push to implement their goals. When in charge of an organization, whether in the military, business, education, or government, Fieldmarshals more than any other type desire (and generally have the ability) to visualize where the organization is going, and they seem able to communicate that vision to others. Their organizational and coordinating skills tends to be highly developed, which means that they are likely to be good at systematizing, ordering priorities, generalizing, summarizing, at marshalling evidence, and at demonstrating their ideas. Their ability to organize, however, may be more highly developed than their ability to analyze, and the Fieldmarshal leader may need to turn to an Inventor or Architect to provide this kind of input.

Fieldmarshals will usually rise to positions of responsibility and enjoy being executives. They are tireless in their devotion to their jobs and can easily block out other areas of life for the sake of their work. Superb administrators in any field -- medicine, law, business, education, government, the military -- Fieldmarshals organize their units into smooth-functioning systems, planning in advance, keeping both short-term and long-range objectives well in mind. For the Fieldmarshals, there must always be a goal-directed reason for doing anything, and people's feelings usually are not sufficient reason. They prefer decisions to be based on impersonal data, want to work from well thought-out plans, like to use engineered operations -- and they expect others to follow suit. They are ever intent on reducing bureaucratic red tape, task redundancy, and aimless confusion in the workplace, and they are willing to dismiss employees who cannot get with the program and increase their efficiency. Although Fieldmarshals are tolerant of established procedures, they can and will abandon any procedure when it can be shown to be ineffective in accomplishing its goal. Fieldmarshals root out and reject ineffectiveness and inefficiency, and are impatient with repetition of error.

The most astounding thing about your misreading is the idea that you think I'm introverted.  Many JUers here, including myself, have taken a host of on-line personality tests. 

It takes a certain level of arrogance to believe that you can judge what someone's personality profile is by reading a blog (or even meeting them in person). I am fairly good at figuring out what people tick but I would never presume to fit someone into a category purely by observation (in the real world) let alone from reading their writings. 

on Jan 30, 2005
you have a substantial amount of pent up anger inside.


rarely shows anger,


Which is it?


I've been around here more than a year. I read probably 80% of what he writes here and have read interviews and such from other places. I wouldn't presume to say I know Brad. That description you posted, though, does not match his personality, in my opinion.



I just took a couple of Keirsey tests to obtain a baseline. I found them fairly accurate. I'm going to presume (since your conception doesn't match him in my opinion) that there is a category that more closely matches Brad and say he's not an iNTj.

You're misapplying the system. It's meant to determine the personality type from behavior and internal reactions to events. You've put it backwards. It appears you've already determined in your mind what he is like then looked for the closest fit to your belief. And how you could presume to know his internal reactions is beyond me.

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