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Fuel economy is only part of the story
Published on May 9, 2005 By Draginol In Automotive

My new car only averages around 17 miles per gallon. A few people I know have given me a hard time about that.  Here I am, polluting the environment. Making the US more reliant on foreign oil. Using up valuable resources. And so on.  What seems to get lost in those discussions is that it's not your mileage that should matter, it's how many gallons of gas you consume.

I put around 6,000 to 8,000 miles on my car each year.  I don't drive very much.  Longer trips involve the whole family which are in the mini-van.  So even though I only get 17 miles per gallon, I'm only using 400 or so gallons of gas each year.  Or put another way, a typical person with their 30 mile per gallon economy car driving 20,000 miles per year is using nearly 700 gallons of gas each year.

Personally, I don't care that much about how much energy other people use.  I try to conserve power when it's convenient (and sometimes when it's not so convenient).  But I also try to conserve energy in effective ways.  Not everyone can live close to where they work. I can. But it also means I use less energy to get to work. 

So next time someone gives me a hard time on my car's fuel economy, I'll have to remember to ask them how many miles they drive each year.


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on May 10, 2005

I seriously hope that gas hits about 4 bucks a gall.

Time to wake up gas guzzlers
on May 10, 2005
wow brad, hanging out with your liberal friends has affected your thinking, now you are bending things to suit YOUR arguement, falling short of finishing. If my car get 17 miles to the gallon I would use this arguement too btw. I drive less than you do brad due to illness and my car gets 30, does that make me more conservation minded than you?
on May 10, 2005

I don't care how conservative minded people are.  What gets on my nerves are people acting holier than thou because their cars get 30mpg even though they're putting 25,000 miles a year on their cars. 

on May 10, 2005

25,000 a year?  I wish.......   Between my husband and I, we use about 1300 gallons a year (That's about $2800 per year at an average current rate)), and both our cars get 30+ mpg.  But, paying the cost of gas, even at it's current price, is still cheaper than living closer to work.  We live as close as we can and still have the land and lack of noise ordinances that my husband requires (he builds and races drag cars).  Now, if we had a car that only got 17, that would be about 1000 more gallons of gas a year (about $2160 per year more).  But, if you only drive 8,000 miles per year, the difference between 30 and 17 is: 266 ($575) and 470 ($1025) respectively.  So, it's only 204 gallons ($450).

You "bad" gas mileage still uses 830 gallons less than we do (of course, that does not include your other car, but includes all of ours).

on May 10, 2005
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Tuesday, May 10, 2005I don't care how conservative minded people are. What gets on my nerves are people acting holier than thou because their cars get 30mpg even though they're putting 25,000 miles a year on their cars.


brad, you are a very successful man, face it you wanted a car that shouts "i am a success" there is nothing wrong about it, enjoy your success and frag what anyone thinks about your mpg's. I do not care about what kind of milage you get, and anyone that thinks they somehow are "better" because they have a car that gets 48 mpg is an idiot.
on May 10, 2005

Moderateman - precisely. I WANTED a cool car.  When I was younger, I was the one driving a Chevette while my friends had Firebirds and Mustangs (usually bought by their parents).  Now that I can afford it, I wanted a nice car. And the car's gas mileage was never a variable -- because I put so few miles per year on my car.

 

on May 10, 2005
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Tuesday, May 10, 2005Moderateman - precisely. I WANTED a cool car. When I was younger, I was the one driving a Chevette while my friends had Firebirds and Mustangs (usually bought by their parents). Now that I can afford it, I wanted a nice car. And the car's gas mileage was never a variable -- because I put so few miles per year on my car.


then enjoy the fruits of your labour brad, I know I would, btw let me know when you open her up, how fast did you go as against how fast "it" will go.

old streetracer.. 1955 golden hawk.. no firewall with a small avanti engine inside.. blew goats off street {gto's}
on May 10, 2005
I've got it up over 140mph so far.
on May 10, 2005
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Tuesday, May 10, 2005I've got it up over 140mph so far.


ooooooooo wish I could drive it, man I loved {past tense} driving fast. but alas my reflexes are not what they used to be.
on May 10, 2005
I guess you didn't grow up yet brad. A smart man would buy a cheaper, gas efficient car and be happy about it. Afterall you say you hardly ever drive, so why does it matter? The richest people I know all drive basic $8000-15,000 cars because that is smart, cars are a waste of money. I don't see what there is to prove to drive a car that costs as much as 6 Hyundai's unless you have something to prove to yourself and in that case, i'm sorry. I'm shocked someone engineering inclined wouldn't have done the math and seen that the car you bought is a galactic waste of money. Assuming your payment is $1000 a month, and assuming gas costs and maintenance, that car will cost about $40,000 over 3 years.

To think this is the same guy whining about having to pay programmers a fair wage a few blogs back. The level of hypocrisy is stunning! Throw your "employees" a few bread crumbs whilst you drive past them in your 65,000$ chariot heading towards your castle. Goddamn you must be proud.
on May 10, 2005
Oh boo hoo, "Juristoe" or Bob or whatever you want to call yourself.  Cry me a river.  Yes, the "Smart" thing would be to have gotten an $8,000 car... I guess I'm just dumb then. Because all the other thousands of people who buy high end cars are dumb too I guess and I like hanging out with dumb people..
on May 10, 2005
I guess you didn't grow up yet brad. A smart man would buy a cheaper, gas efficient car and be happy about it. Afterall you say you hardly ever drive, so why does it matter? The richest people I know all drive basic $8000-15,000 cars because that is smart, cars are a waste of money. I don't see what there is to prove to drive a car that costs as much as 6 Hyundai's unless you have something to prove to yourself and in that case, i'm sorry. I'm shocked someone engineering inclined wouldn't have done the math and seen that the car you bought is a galactic waste of money. Assuming your payment is $1000 a month, and assuming gas costs and maintenance, that car will cost about $40,000 over 3 years.


$8000 car? what rich person do you know drives around in an $8000 car? i make in the mid $30,000s a year and have a honda accord lx. my monthly payment on it is about $300 a month. i assume draginol probably makes at least 3 times what i make or more. scaling linearly, his $1000, using your math, is about what you'd expect. if he's smart, it's leased through is employer so it's tax deductable. sounds like juristoe is suffering an accute case of petty class envy.
on May 10, 2005
I'm shocked someone engineering inclined wouldn't have done the math and seen that the car you bought is a galactic waste of money.


That's hilarious. By that line of reasoning, we should just ride bikes. And god forbid people who buy boats, snowmobiles, or any othe recreational vehicle. A good car is more than just transportation. From reading Draginol's other article on the car, it's clear he enjoys it which is the whole point. That's why they make Corvettes and Porsches and BMWs and Mercedes and Jags and Caddy's, for people who can appreciate that driving can be more than about getting from point A to B.

JayG has it right, sounds like sour grapes and childish envy to me on the part of Juristoe.
on May 10, 2005
I don't even drive a car. I am very conscious of the environment and oil dependecncy and will continue to be so until I can afford to buy a car.

It's Brad's money, seems to me he can spend it any way he wants without people whining about it.
on May 10, 2005
It's Brad's money, seems to me he can spend it any way he wants without people whining about it


exactly!
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