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Effort still matters more than talent
Published on June 22, 2005 By Draginol In Business

From my work I come into contact with all kinds of people.  I've been traveling a lot and have had the opportunity to talk to people who work at other compainies. And one of the types of people that I occasionally run into could be labeled as "frustrated talented guy".  They are often frustrated because they feel they should be promoted, make more money, given more authority, etc. based strictly on their inate talent.

But talent really isn't enough, not usually and certainly not in business.  There's no substitute for effort -- working hard.  And that's what ends up being the obstacle for frustrated talented guy.  Because they'll see people they know (or at least they think) are less talented than they are.  Why were they passed up? They usually assume that they lost out because of "company politics" or "seniority" or something else.  Because, after all, any clear thinking business person should reward the most talented individuals, right?

That's not how it really works. Because the one who produces the most is the one who is going to win out. And while frustrated tlaened guy may have the potential to outproduce his or her peers, he or she chooses not to. In fact, often times frustrated talented guy is flagrantly not pulling their weight. Barely doing the bear minimum.  And yet they still walk around with a sense of entitlement becuase of how smart they think they are how much more talented they are than others.

Effort. Effort is the key because usually frustrated talented guy is putting in so little effort (relatively) and "regular guy" is working so hard that the regular guy (who is usually a lot more talented than people realize but is a lot less flamboyant about it) is out-producing frustrated talented guy by 2X or 3X. And that's why regular guy often beats talented guy.


Comments
on Jun 22, 2005
Hardwork just gets you screwed in companies. Most people realise they should do "Just Enough" to maintain the status-quo, and nothing more. Talented people generally know they can find other work anywhere if things don't work out, so it ain't really a big deal.
on Jun 22, 2005
Well Brett (or Mary Beth or Bob or whatever you want to go by..)  if "talented" people who don't try very hard realize this then why are they the ones who always complain the loudest?
on Jun 22, 2005
I think youare right but I think it is more accurate to say success is equal to Talent times Effort times Luck. Obviously if you work very hard and you are crap at what you do you won't get any where. If you are very talented but don't do any work or have any luck you won't get anywhere. If you are very lucky but have no talent or put no effort into what you want to achieve you won't get anywhere either. You can imagine a variety of different combinations.

You can work so hard but be unlucky. Maybe your boss will take credit for your work, maybe you will come up against company politics, maybe you will develop health problems from working so hard or maybe you will get struck by a bus. In the end I think success is always a product of all three factors.

I am certainly not saying you should not put in effort, but you should make sure it is put towards the right places and that it plays to your talents to increase your chances of success.
on Jun 22, 2005
Hi Draginol,
Keep up the hard work!!
on Jun 23, 2005
We can't make generalizations like that. I have met talented people that like Draginol said coasted by and didn’t get promoted because of that. I also know talented people that worked their buts of and produced more then anyone and got bypassed for the guy that spent all his time sucking up to the boss. And there has been a case where the boss knew the talented guy worked hard and was producing a lot, but thought he couldn’t afford to take him out of coding because it would hurt production too much so he promoted a less talented guy and that didn’t produce as much. In that case being too good was a trait that had you stuck in the same position.

There are good and bad companies out there. I had the misfortune of working for three bad companies and now I am in a company that treats their employees well.

Sometime it’s just a crap shoot as to which type of people you work for.
on Jun 23, 2005
Which is why I talked about "Frustrated Talented Guy" as opposed to just "Talented guy".  There are plenty of talented hard-working people.  This wasn't about them.
on Jun 23, 2005
As somebody that probably fits your "frustrated talented guy" definition (at least, I would fit it if not cursed with the same mid-western work ethic you and your employees have) I really want to go off on a rant here. In general I'd agree with you; a hard working person that produces is worth as much or more than a talented guy that only produces a small percentage of his potential.

The realities that apply to a company the size of yours as opposed to the the huge corporation I work for are different though. If you can picture the reality of a small division of a large sector of a major corporation working a NASA contract on a GOCO facility you'll understand where I'm coming from. Actually, don't even try for the picture as it would only ruin your sleep. It would be nice if your assertion also applied in my world.
on Jun 23, 2005

When I talk to people at trade shows or socially they often work at small businesses.  And so my example is mostly having to do with people who work at small companies.  Frustrated talented guy usually takes on the attitude that the company would fall without them.  They're the primodona but without having earned it.  We've had our share come through over the years.