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Are you being spied on? Right now? Stop picking at that!
Published on December 26, 2005 By Draginol In Politics

In politics, 2005 will likely be remembered as the year of the demagogue.  Where facts, history, and truth take a second seat to loud, shrill accusations of wrong-doing.

The latest one has to do with the wiretapping of suspected terrorist agents in the United States.  Now, I'm not going to argue whether I'm in favor or against said wire tapping because I do not (and neither do the pundits) know enough on the specifics of each case to know the merits.  What I'm going to talk about is the legality of it.

First of all, the supreme power of the land is the constitution.  In it, our government is split into three co-equal parts -- the legislature (Congress), the executive (President), and the judicial (Supreme Court).  Just as congress cannot pass laws to outlaw frowning because it violates the bill of rights, the congress cannot pass laws that infringe on the power of the other two branches.  Or more to the point, it can pass laws but that doesn't make them valid.

In war, the US President has immense powers to conduct that war.  In past wars, the President has done some pretty heavy duty stuff.  In 1941, the government rounded up Japanese-American citizens and put them in concentration camps for the duration of the war.  In 1917, President Wilson locked up anti-war protesters enmasse as "agitators".  In the Civil War, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus entirely and contemplated locking up the chief justice of the supreme court as a "southern sympathizer".

Many Americans don't consider us "at war" today.  That is something I find rather odd.  On September 13, 2001 congress most definitely passed a resolution that was a declaration of war.  It granted the President all the powers and responsibilities necessary to carry out the war on terrorism.  You may not agree with it but it exists and the congress has not deactivated it so it remains in effect.

Many constitutional scholars, including Orin Kerr, well known law professor at George Washington university says that warrantless searches and seizures against suspected foreign agents is probably legal.  During the Clinton years, its deputy attorney general took the same position. Some of you may remember the Clinton years, where federal troops and armor were sent against people in Waco and armed federal soldiers seized a young child in Florida over a custody battle.

The activity of enemy agents acting with suspected agents in the United States almost certainly falls within the bounds of Presidential action.  Of course, the President could just round up all Arab nationals (citizen or not) and put them into monitored camps. The supreme court, incidentally, upheld doing that to Americans of Japanse descent even while I would have condemned it.  And I'm not sure yet how I feel about the President's policy on this either.  I do know, however, I'm not sweating "it's 1984!" just yet.  Democracy has a tendancy to resolve these issues in the longer run.

The point being, whether you agree or not with the President's policy with regards to monitoring suspected terrorist agents, shrieking that Bush should be impeached is absurd.  At most, the issue is murky and will need to be resolved by the courts at some time.  But it is quite in line with historical precedence.

It's too late for 2005, the year of the demagogue.  With 2006 nearly here, perhaps a new-years resolution is in order - cut some slack to those who are trying to protect us from terrorists and jihadists.  Be vigilant to be sure for freedom requires it. But don't let ones partisanship become blinding.


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on Dec 27, 2005
Slanderer:
Consider this, there was president that was impeached on a technicality about his lovelife.


This is a bold faced lie, you know he wasn't impeached because of his love life, he was impeached because he chose to lie under oath. If he had have just come clean with it, it would have been nothing more than a trivia question on the 90s edition of Trivial Pursuit. It was Clinton's choice (not Kenneth Star's) to lie, as it is your choice to do so here.

Can you really blame people for not taking this bill seriously? Not even the senators could come up with a formal declaration of war because the enemy is non distinct.


Can you really sit there and smugly say that the Senators didn't take it seriously when they were agreeing to send our troops to war?

If they didn't take it seriously, but voted to do it anyway, then they deserve a fate much worse than impeachment. If that's all you think of that bill, well, it says a lot more about you than it does about the bill itself.
on Dec 27, 2005
Drmiler:
Hey col...."What are you going to say if the courts decide that GW has NOT exceeded his authority"?

He will claim the W-packed Supreme Court got him off the hook.
We have a government that was unconstitutionally put in power by the partisan hacks in the Supreme Court

Apparently the same W-packed Supreme Court that put him in office in the first place. ::

BenUser:
...a government that spys on it's citizens under guise of national security. So what exactly are they protecting us from? Nothing. The fact is, they're not protecting us. ...The excuse that we're "at war" doesn't fly. We've been fighting terrorists for decades and will continue to fight terrorists for decades to come, but saying that because we're "at war" the president should have powers to circumvent congress and override the constitution is ridiculous.

National security is all about knowing what your enemies are up to. If those enemies are within the United States, it is even more our obligation to fight them. And we are at war, dummy. We are at war with people who would kill our livelihoods, our women and children, destroy our homes and buildings, cause chaos and strip our country of everything that we hold dear. If nothing else, I want you to take away the understanding that these people want to destroy us and just pulling out of the Middle East will not make them go away. It's not about Iraq, it's not about Afghanistan or planes in Saudi Arabia or oil. They want to destroy our way of life and the people crying foul do not get it.

There has been no 9/11-scale attacks in the US because of the law enforcement efforts taken by this nation since 9/11. Do you see chain bombings of Wal-Marts throughout the Midwest? Car bombs crashing through the lobbies of government buildings? You claim that they are not protecting us, that 9/11 was a one-off, but have you seen anything else inside our nation happen? Well, have you?

Bush says he acted within the law. The Attorney General says he acted within the law. If the Supreme Court concurs, that should settle it. Except in the tiny minds of those who still want to blame everything from global warming to the guy cutting you off in traffic on GWB.
on Dec 27, 2005

Consider this, there was president that was impeached on a technicality about his lovelife. While technically guilty of infidelity the lie did not endanger or affect civil liberty in any way, shape, or form.


Bill Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath in a trial. What he lied about was his love life. Lying under oath is a crime. I am shocked (but not surprised) that there are people who do not know that. Any lie has a subject. Nevertheless the lie is a discrete event and not just the same as the subject it was about.

Clinton being guilty of infidelity (which is not a crime) or not had nothing to do with it. If he had had no sexual relations with Ms Lewinsky and claimed, under oath, that he had, he would be just as guilty of perjury as he was in fact.

I find Clinton's impeachment just as ridiculous as anyone. But perjury remains not a "technicality" and is not "lovelife".

Anyway, the system worked and he was acquitted.

on Dec 27, 2005
I have heard compelling arguments on both sides of the wiretapping issue. All I can address with relative certainty is that the fourth amendment, at least, almost certainly doesn't come into play. I personally stand firm on my stance of wanting to see an independent investigator look into it (and let the chips fall where they may).
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