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How far are you willing to bend to adhere to dogma?
Published on February 11, 2006 By Draginol In Religion

There has been an ongoing debate on another blog over whether the bible has contradictions on it.  On the one hand you have the skeptics. In the middle the realists. And on the other side, for lack of a better word, you have the dogmatics.

There are countless perceived contradictions in the bible. But whether they are truly a contradiction depends on how far you are willing to read between the lines. 

One of the most blatant contradictions in my opinion is the account of how Judas (the betrayer of Jesus) died.  In the book fo Matthew, Judas feels remorse for what he has done, throws his silver coins down and goes off and hangs himself.

But in the book of Acts, Judas keeps the money, acquires a field and falls headling and bursts open his body.

So how do you reconcile these differences?  In my opinion, a reasonable person would say "Oops. one of them is in error."  But to those who obsess over the literal accuracy of every word in the bible then nothing is beyond interpretting or extending to support your fanatical belief.

For example, with regarsd to Judas, the Christian Apologetics Ministry argues:

"There is no contradiction here at all because both are true.  A contradiction occurs when one statement excludes the possibility of another.  In fact, what happened here is that Judas went and hung himself and then his body later fell down and split open.  In other words, the rope or branch of the tree probably broke due to the weight and his body fell down and his bowels spilled out.
     Also, notice that Matt. 27:3-8 tells us specifically how Judas died, by hanging.  Acts 1:16-19 merely tells us that he fell headlong and his bowels gushed out.  Acts does not tell us that this is the means of his death where Matthew does."

But that requires the reader to suspend belief beyond the point where any reasonable person could accept. Here's why:

1) Matthew states explicitly that Judas threw away the money and that the priests then took the money bought a field to bury strangers.  By contrast, Acts says that Judas bought the field and feel "headlong" and his bowels came out.

2) Some argue "well, he didn't die from hanging, that he may have fallen down and that's how he died."  This is really silly because it doesn't say he attempted to hang himself. He hanged himself. Period. If you're going to take the bible literally, you can't start adding your own spin on it.  And if you hang yourself, you don't fall head long. 

3) Another argument I've seen is that well, acts doesn't actually say he died. It just says his bowels gushed out. He may not have died from this.  Please.  At that point, it becomes meaningless.  You fall and your bowels come out, you die.

Common sense says that in one passage, Judas felt guilt, thew away the money, and hung himself.  And the other passage takes the irony path -- Judas the villain keeps the money, buys  a field and ironically dies horribly getting his just deserts.  One is a suicide, the other implies an accident which is a pretty important difference.

This is an age-old debate that pretty much boils down to seperating the zealots from the non-zealots.  After debating the issue myself, I decided to also look to see if others had debated this issue on-line.  In turns out, yep, this particular blatant contradiction has been argued many tiems before.

One writer who looked at it put it like this:

How do these verses contradict each other?

  1. In Matthew, Judas threw away the money to the priests before dying, then he went to hang himself. After that, the priests bought a field. In Acts, Judas used the money himself to buy a field.
  2. In Matthew, Judas threw away the money before dying, and then a field was bought. In Acts, the field was bought before Judas died.
  3. In Matthew, he died by hanging himself, whilst in Acts he fell headlong and his bowels gushed out.

How could an inerrantist Christian respond to these three points? Let me speculate on some possible counter-arguments.

As for point 1, one could infer that when Acts says that Judas bought the field, what is meant is that the priests bought the field on his behalf. This, however, is not permissible, since if one is allowed to change the meaning of the language, no significant discussion about the actual meaning of anything can be conducted. In ordinary language, we do not say that "this man purchased a field for $100" if someone else purchased it for their own usage with money thrown away by its original owner. Clearly, from Matthew, Judas did not give any order for the priests to buy a field for his money, and even if he did, why would they obey him, who they despised?

As for point 2, it seems hard to come up with a counter-argument, since the past tense is used in Matthew ("went and hanged himself"), implying that the execution of the deed had taken place before the purchase of the field. Meanwhile, Acts clearly presents the case where the field is bought prior to his dying (indeed, since he is said to have bought it himself!).

As for point 3, it is logically possible that the story in Acts is consistent with Matthew in terms of the method of dying, but it seems highly unlikely, from how his death is described. If one is to find consistency, one must include many things not in the text. Amongst other things, one wonders how the bowels could gush out simply from his having died by hanging, and one also wonders how he could fall headlong in a field, and where the tree came from (normally, there are no trees in the middle of a field).

Note that it suffices for only one of the three stated contradictions to hold for there to be a contradiction.

In other words, this isn't a new issue.  The handful of people who dogmatically cling to the belief that the Christian bible contains no contradictions have to be, in themselves, willing to essentially add new passages in the bible to fill in the missing gaps.  At which point, the whole argument becomes meaningless.

And this is just one of the more blatant ones. There are plenty of others.  Contradictions in the bible only are a problem if you take the bible literally rather than as a general guide.  Sadly, there are people who cling to the literal words as being infallible.  I personally think that those who do have much less faith than they let on.  If one truly has faith, then such contradictions would be easier to admit to and they'd be able to move on.

 


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on Feb 11, 2006
" Contradictions in the bible only are a problem if you take the bible literally rather than as a general guide."

And I think that is the most noteworthy point. If you look at other religions, like Islam, I think you'll find by comparison Biblical literalists are a small, marginalized group. I personally know several people who claim to be, but who I know aren't. That's why polls and such don't really work. People will say they believe every word of the Bible, but as we have seen on other blogs when pressed they accept that maybe it doesn't mean what it appears to mean when taken in the most literal interpretation.

Like people who believe the world was made in 6 days, and say so to anyone that asks, but then admit that maybe a day to God is a billion years. That isn't literalism, but those people still identify themselves as believing every word of the Bible. In the end they'll say the Bible was right, but it didn't mean what we thought it meant, or what those who translated it thought it meant.

it's an extension of people who believe anything they read on Democratic Underground or everything that Rush says. It's easier. You don't have to accept that it is a difficult world, you just align yourself with a 'side' and blindly follow it. In terms of the Bible, literalists can't even tell you who is responsible for putting the words on the paper. That's a little scary, really.

on Feb 11, 2006
Some of your discussion holds water. Eg: the dichotomy between what actually happened to the money. Granted, according to Jewish tradition, the money was still his--and so technically he bought the field. But it was by no volition of his own--the priests bought it with his money.

Brad, your discussion falls down on a two premises: most importantly, you fail to consider that Matthew's Gospel and the Book of Acts were written in a very different historical & cultural context than we live in today. Understood through today's eyes, we see things very differently than they were seen in the first century AD. Second: translation accuracy. Now, I realize the can of worms this can open up--but it's important to understand that most of today's scriptures are a translation of a translation. We have very few "autographs," that is the original manuscripts. Instead, we have Latin translations of the original Hebrew (Old Testament), Greek and Aramaic (New Testament) texts, which were then translated into English. At very miniumum, even if the original language stayed the same for some manuscripts, we're still looking at handwritten transcriptions of the original documents, sometimes several generations down the line. Bearing in mind human errancy, there is bound to have been mistakes. My belief is that the Bible, the Word of God, is 100% accurate and reliable--if translated from the root language correctly and taken in its proper historical & cultural context. Unfortunately, as scripture says (or does it? *g*), we see through a glass dimly. Our English translations are clouded by 2000-5000 years of humanity. In my studies, I've found several inaccuracies in English translations--just between the translations. And once you throw in the elements of idiom and personal interpretation--we can only pray that God reveals his truth to us accurately, despite the ink on the page.

In short, God is bigger than the Bible. Even if we read what our flawed English translations say and take it to heart, most of us really don't get it. And if we really read the message of the Bible, we'll find that in reality there are few things about which we have any right to be dogmatic. In my opinion, only a few: 1. God is. 2. He is the Creator, however He did it. 3. Jesus chose to die for the sins of humanity. 4. If we cultivate true relationship with God, we find His favor and eternal life.

The "good news" of the Gospel can be summed up in this way: God is, and He desires relationship with us.

That's proabably a little different perspective than you're accustomed to.
on Feb 11, 2006
I was a Christian throughout most of my childhood...up until I was about 20. The contradictions in the Bible always drove me crazy . That was a minor issue involved with some major ones in deciding that I just didn't believe it any longer. I just couldn't get over the following contradiction; God is infallible, therefore the Bible is infallible as well because men wrote it with God guiding their hand and their hearts. If you accept that as fact, then you have to come up with a good reason why so many contradictions are there. I was never able to come up with a good enough reason why in general, God is infallible, yet you have to accept the contradictions.

Another thing that was a factor in me leaving the Church was when I started studying how the New Testament came into being. The various reasons why some texts were included, yet others excluded. As an example, some texts popular at the time of the canonization were left out solely because they predated The Gospels. They wanted to have The Gospels first in the New Testament because of the obvious importance of the birth of Jesus. So they left the texts out completely because the New Testament would not flow correctly if these books were placed after The Gospels even though they were believed to be accurate, relevant, and "inspired".

I just couldn't place myself in the hands of a religion that placed a higher priority on "flow" as opposed to accuracy and relevancy.
on Feb 11, 2006
Elempoimen, you raise an interesting point, but what makes you think that the New Testament was written in the First Century? The oldest version found, the Codex Vaticanus, was written in the 4th Century, about the same time as the Codex Sinaiticus. The New Testament references the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans, which was in 72 AD. The first reference to a written version of the version of the life of Christ dates to 150 and may well have been incomplete. Odds are, just as with the Old Testament, it was an oral tradition that was around for a hundred years or more before anyone began writing it down. It then went through a variety of forms, bearing in mind that there were no printing presses and everything was written by scribes. Scribes who may have changed events and depictions to suit their own beliefs. At some point, someone gathered the various versions, picked out what they liked and said "Okay, now it is final."

Many argue that the first real version of the New Testament was written by Eusebius of Caesarea, under orders from the Emperor Constantine, who wanted 50 copies made. The reign of Constantine, who convened the Council of Nicea in the 4th Century, corresponds to the age of the two Codexes referenced above. Which would mean that the New Testament was written down in final form until 300 years after the death of Christ.

In ancient Israel, the Judeans in the South and the Israelites in the North had their own holy cities (Jerusalem and Beth El) and each had their own Bible. Around 500 BC (or BCE to use the Hebrew convention) after the Babylonian Diaspora, they combined the two versions. Of course there are inconsistencies, two different documents were merged.

In the third century, the early Christian church threw out the Gnostic Gospels as heresy. Some of the texts were quite different, but the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and the Gospel of James are pretty similiar. But if you accept the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Jesus died and never rose. That is a pretty big inconsistency to reconcile.

The simplest answer to why there are inconsistencies in the Bible is that, in the case of both New and Old Testaments, they were written years (centuries) after the events that they describe and were based on oral traditions. The reason that most religious people won't accept that is that means that they might not be "Gospel" truth.
on Feb 11, 2006
in the case of both New and Old Testaments, they were written years (centuries) after the events that they describe and were based on oral traditions. The reason that most religious people won't accept that is that means that they might not be "Gospel" truth.


Whenever I use that argument with a dogmatic christian I get told that the bible was written by eyewitnesses. Your point is so right. They won't accept that it isn't word for word what God wanted to be written. It isn't a dictation from God. I can understand that people believe it was inspired by God. But it certainly was messed with by man.
on Feb 11, 2006
I wonder if the MythBusters would be willing to test out whether or not you could be hanged, break free, fall headlong and have your body bust open. Probably too controversial for them. I don't understand how you would fall headlong from being hanged unless you were strung up by your ankles. Also, I bet you'd have to fall a very long way to burst open and spill your guts when you hit the ground. Sounds to me like an old story that got reinvented as it got passed along.
on Feb 11, 2006
JillUser,

Why would an all-powerful god allow his sacred text to be misinterpreted by humans? Shouldn't this be impossible if God exists?
on Feb 11, 2006

Only if we accept that God cares if it is misinterpreted and that God is all powerful.

What is certainly a fact: The bible is ambigious or we woudln't be having these discussions. Therefore, if God is perfect, all powerful, and cares that the bible be unambigious, then he doesn't exist because he has failed.

The fact that some of the dogmatics have to do logical tap dancing in order for it to make sense speaks volumes.

My argument doesn't fall down because I am not arguing that the bible is supposed to be a literally true work.  I am perfectly willing to accept that things have been lost in translation and time.  But there are people here on JoeUser that think that if you go back to the (ahem) "original" texts you can have what is essentially a direct testament from God to man.

on Feb 11, 2006
Why would an all-powerful god allow his sacred text to be misinterpreted by humans? Shouldn't this be impossible if God exists?


If you believe that God constantly has his hands in everything at all times, that is a good question. You also have to believe that the bible is 'God's sacred text' to be concerned with that question. I personally don't believe that is the case but don't believe that that negates the possibility of God existing. It isn't an all or nothing subject. God can have as much or as little influence as he wants. You can also believe in God without being Christian.
on Feb 12, 2006

Brad, your discussion falls down on a two premises: most importantly, you fail to consider that Matthew's Gospel and the Book of Acts were written in a very different historical & cultural context than we live in today. Understood through today's eyes, we see things very differently than they were seen in the first century AD. Second: translation accuracy.

Actually, I don't think HIS argument falls down ANYwhere; I think it's the Christian Literalist's argument that has holes in it.  And, your comment makes his point about people willing to bend over backwards and come up with all kinds of insane theories to make the contradictions in the bible less...well, contradictionary.

There's only so much spin you can put on stuff.  The Bible is full of contradictions, and that's really all there is to it. 

Oh and I had this thought whilst I was reading the article: how, exactly, does a person manage to eviscerate themselves simply by falling down? I guess if you fall onto a really sharp stone you might get a scratch, but a cut deep enough to cause your guts to come spewing out of your belly?  I'm not buying it.  Not unless you fall from a GREAT height, and then your bowels wouldn't be the only thing that fell out (and would probably be unrecognizable anyway).

I sometimes wonder if the force that started this whole shebang off isn't laughing at us, saying 'no, that's not what I meant at ALL when said that.  You guys have got it SO wrong....'

 

on Feb 12, 2006
It is actually kind of funny how literalists actually prove the falicy of the literal word of the bible when they give their "opinions" or "explainations". Look how many different opinions, translations, interpretations, etc. have been given since it was written. They can't all be right. It the literal word is to be taken, there should be no confusion. There should be no picking and chosing. There should be no explaining why some instructions (like stoning people for various reasons) should no longer be followed.
on Feb 12, 2006
"Therefore, if God is perfect, all powerful, and cares that the bible be unambigious, then he doesn't exist because he has failed."


"Why would an all-powerful god allow his sacred text to be misinterpreted by humans? Shouldn't this be impossible if God exists?


That assumes it is a sacred text. Was it ever really supposed to be? Did the people who wrote it intend for it to be? To me, the idea of a 'sacred' text kind of flies in the face of all that idolatry stuff the book teaches against.

This all seems to hang on the fact that it is "a book". It isn't a book. It is a collection of texts spread out over, literally, thousands of years, that were later collected into a single book with much dissent as to what should end up in it.

It worked backwards in terms of theology. The people who put together the KJV had their idea of what their theology should be, and then they tried to piece together material that seemed plausible to back up that. They rejected the stuff that didn't jive with their beliefs.

I personally think if God wanted us to have an instruction manual, he would have delivered it in one piece. On the other end of it, people who doubt that God exists because the Bible isn't perfect aren't much different than people who rely on its perfection to prove that God exists.
on Feb 12, 2006
P.S.

What indication do we have that God intended the Bible to be a 'sacred' text? If God didn't make the assertion that it was 'sacred', is its imperfection really a statement on God? How exactly did God attest to the perfection of a book created in 1611? Can someone point out what prophet that God spoke through to state its literal perfection?

I say this not only to challenge those who believe it is perfect, but to challenge the assumption that its relative imperfection has some sort of impact on God, or the belief in such. Is there something like "I'm God, and I approve this message"?
on Feb 12, 2006

Bakerstreet - that's my point.  Look again at what I wrote: "IF God is perfect AND God is all powerful AND God cares that the bible be unambiguous." 

Who is to say that God intended the bible to be the end all be all?

on Feb 12, 2006
I don't mean to be touchy, Brad, I understand where you are coming from.

You also know that it has been said here at JU that Christians who "pick and choose" are hyprocritical. I find it interesting that people just limping into the Renaissance had the authority to pick and choose, but somehow we aren't allowed to now, knowing so much more and having so much better historical and archeological awareness.
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