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How can you have respect for them?
Published on March 16, 2004 By Draginol In Current Events

The anti-war people are just anti-action.I have no respect for the position of the "anti-war" people.  They just want to make it tougher for the people who are stuck having to make real decisions.

The Bush-bashing is usually the most amusing though becaue it demonstrates the lack of rational thought by some people. Bill "multilaterialsm" Clinton suffered more terror attacks on the United States than Bush has.  After 9/11 there have been zero attacks on the United States. By contrast, under Clinton we had the USS Cole, the embassy bombings and the first WTC attack. In those cases, Clinton tried to work with "the international community" and treat the whole thing almost purely as a law enforcement excercise.

And what did such restraint do for us? 9/11 was planned during Clinton's watch. In other words, we tried the "multilateral" approach (multilateral in this case meaning having France and Germany's support since the US has had the support of dozens of nations in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush). We tried the diplomatic approach and the result was 9/11.  And since we changed our strategy under Bush our successes have been quite strong.

After all, it wasn't the US Al Qaeda bombed on 3/11, it was Spain because they predicted, correctly, that the Spanish people would cave in and elect someone who was more willing to move back towards inaction. Al Qaeda has suffered grievous losses since 9/11 and is trying to get the pressure taken off of them.

Some people seem to make an artificial distinction between domestic murders and international murderers. If someone native to your country goes on a senseless killing spree, the reaction is to go after them aggressively and put them behind bars. Yet, if that same homicidal lunatic is foreign, you'll instantly have the protester class argue that we need to negotize with them. Understand where they're coming from. Consider what we may have done to upset them. Work with lots of other countries, particularly ones that have no real common interest with us in solving the problem to deal with these lunatics.

Look people, we're dealing with killers here. People who do things specifically to murder as many innocent people as possible. The US strategy, like it or not, has worked pretty well. Go after them directly. Eliminate their allies or potential allies. Dry up their funding. It's no coincidence that Al Qaeda went after Spain first and not say the USA or UK. Maybe thanks to the appeasement from Spain that Al Qaeda will believe (incorrectly) that the voters in the US and UK can be cowed into submission by a terrorst attack before their next election.

And yet when faced with a difficult decision we always hear about "other options" from those who are against the proposed actions by leaders. But those other options are rarely specified. For intance the inspectors had been kicked out in 1998 and no one seemed to care about inspections until the US made them an issue again.

Leadership requires coming up with a plan and carrying it out. Curling up into the fetal position under your desk may seem like a "position" but it's not. It's simply the absence of a position. Being against something without being for something instead is not a position. It's the absence of a position.

I'm all for other options. If those other options are actions are convincingly likely to have the desired affect. NOT doing something is not an option. It's simply a lack of action. If someone is murdering my neighbors, I'm not likely to consider "doing nothing" an option. I want the murders stopped. Somehow. Most people are open to hearing various ideas on how the murderer can be stopped. The anti-action people need to step up and provide realistic alternatives.

War, after all, wasn't our first option. Treating the war on terrorism as a law enforcement issue was the strategy pursued from 1992 to 2001. It results in 9/11. Treating this as a military matter from 2001 to 2004 has thus far eliminated direct attacks on the United States and forced the terrorists into going after seemingly arbitrary targets to kill civilians (I mean, heck, if you have a half dozen guys with access to explosives you could kill lots of people too, not exactly the same impact as crashing hijacks airliners into the largest buildings in the world).

After 9/11, most Americans had enough common sense to recognize that we couldn't go on indefinitely letting Saddam violate his agreements and be an open enemy of the United States. We didn't have that luxury. We knew this because 9/11 showed us that the Islamofascists would use any weapon they could get ahold of, including civilian airliners, to murder Americans. And since Saddam was an open enemy of the United States, we knew that he had every incentive to provide weapons to Al Qaeda. Maybe not imminently but at some point. So after Afghanistan it made sense to deal with Saddam before Al Qaeda could effectively regroup. And so we did.

The arguments, if they can be called that, to remove Saddam were always incredibly weak in my opinion. And the results already justified the action. Saddam is captured. By Boulbushead's argument the legitimate government of Iraq is controlled by the United States. And it was all done with only a few hundred casualties total. Simply amazing. But the anti-war people are so lame that they fixate that we didn't find stockpiles of chemical weapons. Big deal. I for one never considered stockpiles of chemcial weapons to be a significant threat. It was the future threat that Iraq posed -- i.e. a POST-sanctions Iraq posed that I was worried about. Better to deal with Saddam now while we had a reasonably good excuse to do so than later when it would be politically more difficult.

I'm particularly disappointed with the Spanish because they have, effectively, forced the heavy lifting of this war to be more on the shoulders of the British, Americans, Australians, and Poles. As if we somehow want to have to send our soldiers into battle. I think if you asked any American, Brit, Aussie, or Pole they'd tell you that they'd prefer it if we could just go home and live peacefully together. After all, it's the terrorists murdering our civilians in cold blood and making demands that we must convert to their religion or die. 

To the terrorists, this has been a war for a long time. Only in 2001 did we start to treat it as a war. Whether we treat it as a war or not, the terrorists will be murdering civilians as long as they have the power to do so. The problem isn't going to go away simply by wishing it. Remember, these guys were attacking us when Bill Clinton was President. You're not going to get a more diplomatic President (beloved by Europe's elites) than Clinton. So those who hate Bush need to get a grip and realize the problem isn't Bush. The problem is that there are murderous Islamic zealots who will stop at nothing to murder as many non-Muslims (or even Muslims if they get in the way) as they possibly can as part of their worldwide campaign to bring the world to Allah.


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on Mar 17, 2004
Zoomba -
There were many reasons that the US needed to take action in Iraq. WMDs were unaccounted for. Clinton thought they were there. The UN thought they were there. Hans Blix thought they were there. Their existance or lack thereof needed to be verified, and the Iraqis were dodging and obfuscating at every opportunity. This was the "sold" reason, but it was not by any stretch of imagination the ONLY reason or even the primary reason.

Al Qaeda's lifeblood is the unrest caused by the despotic, dictatorial leadership in the region. By deflecting blame for their people's shortcomings to Israel and the West, their ends are achieved. They want nothing less than an islamic world, with the "infidels" elminated entirely or at least pushed from their historical "empire".

The question has been asked - if Al Qaeda and Iraq are unlinked, why attack Spain? The answer is that a free and democratic Iraq *seriously damages* the movement that Al Qaeda supports. It offers hope to the people of the area quite out of spec and out of line with the mantra that Al Qaeda preaches. So they attack Spain in the hopes of derailing the movement towards that end.

As far as Iraq supporting terrorism, they funded Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups, provided safe haven for any number of terrorists (Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas among the first that come to mind) and harbored a deep hatred of the west. They were part of the problem, and by their removal the heat is turned up on Libya, Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. The fruits of this action are obvious. Libya capitulates. Iran allows inspections. North Korea is back at the bargaining table.

Finally you ask - "what makes us so much better, or gives us the right?" When threatened we must defend ourselves. Islamic terror and the instability of the region threatens us all - gravely. Few countries have the courage, and none match our ability to fight this battle. If not America, then who?

on Mar 17, 2004
If one took the time to listen to Zapatero, he placed great emphasis on misplaced priorities. What good is spending good manpower on coalition forces when force didn't stop an attack in their home country. A different approach is needed. What part of fighting terrorism without automatic weapons is not sinking in? I am proud of Zapatero and not caving in and taking his own stand. It is tiresome to adopt this cnn menshivic fantasy where peace is magically achieved with at the end of a gun.
on Mar 17, 2004
Obviously if your homeland is successfully attacked you need to take some measures to beef up your defenses. But making that your sole reaction is misguided, because in limiting yourself to that response you have just given your attackers free rein to marshal whatever forces they need to overcome, subvert, or sidestep your defenses. Nobody has ever won a war by using only defense; at some point you must attack, in order to diminish or destroy your opponent's capability to attack you.
on Mar 17, 2004
sorry, double post.
on Mar 17, 2004
" What good is spending good manpower on coalition forces when force didn't stop an attack in their home country."


If you don't care about the stability of the Iraqi people, their security and the rebuilding of their nation, I suppose it doesn't seem important. If Spain wants to walk off and leave the Iraqi people with less protection, I suppose we should see that as admirable, a grand statement for pacifism? I think a lot of people in the US wouldnt' have seen any point in crushing the Taliban and liberating Afghanistan pre-9/11. If IRaq falls apart and becomes a haven for terrorist orgainizations, Spain will understand what it has to do with them.

The war is over and done with, you can't be "against the war" now. All you can do is withhold your help to the Iraqi people to make a point. No, I see it as a pathetic message to the anti-war EU countries that Spain is on their side, and the only losers are the Iraqi people. Spain's new leadership have made their attitude apparent. I don't consider them any more allied with us than the French and the Germans. I think these nations will find their behavior regrettable in the future.
on Mar 17, 2004
If someone is against the proposed action, they need to provide a reasonable alternative. Otherwise they're just bitching.
on Mar 17, 2004
The arguement for stability seems lost when the Iraqi's were better lead by a dictator who obviously did not have their best interests at heart. I seriously doubt SH arrived at 8000+ dead even with the Kurdish gassings. The point of liberation is to improve, so when shiite clerks balk at a freshly consripted bill of rights in favour of a Iranian theocracy - one takes notice. I make no excuses for the man but 12 months ago Iraq was not a terrorist recruitment site, can we say that now?

You are right in the regard that the war is done but it won't be finished for a long time. Sour grapes won't solve problems. Neither is forcing the peaceful idea of democracy down their throats. Zapatero saw the conflict of ideology. For this you condemn him?

People only attack other nations for serious reasons, so if an attack takes place - rational people look for motives. The catch-all "just because they are terrorists" doesn't satisfy the rational mind. One could start a whole new thread on how the media is inciting victimization and panic on how people "react" to violence.

Attacking the heart of the matter, I think Zapatero should take a backseat and the spotlight be put on what excessive media hype. Compare group A which has CNN/Faux to group B which doesn't. Why is this happening. That is the point of your post. Does Spain engage in a costly campaign of residence in every aloof country, deluding themselves that intervention is the key to solving the world's problems? See http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance8.html for a sobbering look at how the military sops up 450 billion per year in global policing. Anti-war does not equal anti-action.

T

on Mar 18, 2004

Ultimately it boils down to something straight forward:


Sometimes SOME action is required. The person who simply criticizes all proposed actions has, effectively, removed themselves from the discussion. The real world is decided by people of action. Not those who nit-pick it.


The people who were against military action in Iraq failed not because they were wrong, but because they failed to provide a realistic alternative.

on Mar 18, 2004
This article is bunk considering Brad Wardell has received the Douche Award.

Proof @ http://douche.galaxysite.net/awards/bradwardell.html
on Mar 18, 2004
The United States of America has no business telling other countries what to do. It's not their land, it has nothing to do with them. So what if Iraq has weapons, they need to defend themselves against bullies who want their oil. I don't remember Iraq being part of USA before the war. Bush has no right to dictate rules on other nations. It was saddam's country, he could do whatever he wanted with it.

So Saddam kills his own people, so did Stalin. Where was the US army there? Nowhere.

Why isn't the US helping countries like Rowanda or Myanmar where people are starving?

The US only cares when they can send their capitalists there to tap out their resources. If theres no valuable resources they don't care. That's why the US isn't going after North Korea who actually poses a threat that can be proved.
on Mar 18, 2004
Dear Douche Award Giver,

I normally don't do this, but seeing as you took time out of your hectically busy day to come here and start shit, and seeing as how I'm in an fantastically shitty mood to boot I'll play along and I'll respond...using the same kind of format and language you did.

For starters, you're a fucking idiot. A whiny, pathetic, lame, egotistical lah-brained fucking idiot.

I think you should fuck off and not come back.

Did I mention that you're a fucking idiot?

Have a wonderful day!

(Sorry, Brad. I couldn't resist the temptation..)




on Mar 18, 2004
Well I do agree that some action must be taken. Where I disagree is the only action recognized as "effective" is grabbing a desert eagle and going to town. Impulsiveness has exasperated the situation. Applying a non sophisticated approach to complicated world politics is a recipe for disaster. Do google search on global american support before and after the conflict if you doubt me. Trigger happy approaches satisfy the trigger happy people. This is by no means a smear on the armed forces who are risking themselves. This is a direct shot on the Cheney's of the world who have convinced the masses any action is better than no or subvert action.

T
on Mar 19, 2004
Actually the rest of the world did take action.

They endorsed article 1441.

They sent back the weapon inspectors and waited for them to do their job.

The US decided things were taking too long, WMD were there and invaded.

Just because you don't agree with an action is no excuse to imply no action was taken. Could we please stop demonising anti-war countries and be honest about the actions that they did take.

paul.
on Mar 21, 2004

1441 provided specifically deadlines, which passed, and showed Iraqi non-compliance and then the serious consequences took place.

I suppose you would have preferred for US troops to stew out there in the desert a few more months until it was 100 degrees during the day while they were wearing their protective chemical equipment?

Bush decided that American lives were more important than explicit approval from the UN. No other action was advocated by France and other critics other than "Give the inspectors more time" (as if 13 years wasn't enough).

on Mar 22, 2004
Stop being a douche.
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