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How can you have respect for them?
Published on March 16, 2004 By Draginol In Current Events

The anti-war people are just anti-action.I have no respect for the position of the "anti-war" people.  They just want to make it tougher for the people who are stuck having to make real decisions.

The Bush-bashing is usually the most amusing though becaue it demonstrates the lack of rational thought by some people. Bill "multilaterialsm" Clinton suffered more terror attacks on the United States than Bush has.  After 9/11 there have been zero attacks on the United States. By contrast, under Clinton we had the USS Cole, the embassy bombings and the first WTC attack. In those cases, Clinton tried to work with "the international community" and treat the whole thing almost purely as a law enforcement excercise.

And what did such restraint do for us? 9/11 was planned during Clinton's watch. In other words, we tried the "multilateral" approach (multilateral in this case meaning having France and Germany's support since the US has had the support of dozens of nations in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush). We tried the diplomatic approach and the result was 9/11.  And since we changed our strategy under Bush our successes have been quite strong.

After all, it wasn't the US Al Qaeda bombed on 3/11, it was Spain because they predicted, correctly, that the Spanish people would cave in and elect someone who was more willing to move back towards inaction. Al Qaeda has suffered grievous losses since 9/11 and is trying to get the pressure taken off of them.

Some people seem to make an artificial distinction between domestic murders and international murderers. If someone native to your country goes on a senseless killing spree, the reaction is to go after them aggressively and put them behind bars. Yet, if that same homicidal lunatic is foreign, you'll instantly have the protester class argue that we need to negotize with them. Understand where they're coming from. Consider what we may have done to upset them. Work with lots of other countries, particularly ones that have no real common interest with us in solving the problem to deal with these lunatics.

Look people, we're dealing with killers here. People who do things specifically to murder as many innocent people as possible. The US strategy, like it or not, has worked pretty well. Go after them directly. Eliminate their allies or potential allies. Dry up their funding. It's no coincidence that Al Qaeda went after Spain first and not say the USA or UK. Maybe thanks to the appeasement from Spain that Al Qaeda will believe (incorrectly) that the voters in the US and UK can be cowed into submission by a terrorst attack before their next election.

And yet when faced with a difficult decision we always hear about "other options" from those who are against the proposed actions by leaders. But those other options are rarely specified. For intance the inspectors had been kicked out in 1998 and no one seemed to care about inspections until the US made them an issue again.

Leadership requires coming up with a plan and carrying it out. Curling up into the fetal position under your desk may seem like a "position" but it's not. It's simply the absence of a position. Being against something without being for something instead is not a position. It's the absence of a position.

I'm all for other options. If those other options are actions are convincingly likely to have the desired affect. NOT doing something is not an option. It's simply a lack of action. If someone is murdering my neighbors, I'm not likely to consider "doing nothing" an option. I want the murders stopped. Somehow. Most people are open to hearing various ideas on how the murderer can be stopped. The anti-action people need to step up and provide realistic alternatives.

War, after all, wasn't our first option. Treating the war on terrorism as a law enforcement issue was the strategy pursued from 1992 to 2001. It results in 9/11. Treating this as a military matter from 2001 to 2004 has thus far eliminated direct attacks on the United States and forced the terrorists into going after seemingly arbitrary targets to kill civilians (I mean, heck, if you have a half dozen guys with access to explosives you could kill lots of people too, not exactly the same impact as crashing hijacks airliners into the largest buildings in the world).

After 9/11, most Americans had enough common sense to recognize that we couldn't go on indefinitely letting Saddam violate his agreements and be an open enemy of the United States. We didn't have that luxury. We knew this because 9/11 showed us that the Islamofascists would use any weapon they could get ahold of, including civilian airliners, to murder Americans. And since Saddam was an open enemy of the United States, we knew that he had every incentive to provide weapons to Al Qaeda. Maybe not imminently but at some point. So after Afghanistan it made sense to deal with Saddam before Al Qaeda could effectively regroup. And so we did.

The arguments, if they can be called that, to remove Saddam were always incredibly weak in my opinion. And the results already justified the action. Saddam is captured. By Boulbushead's argument the legitimate government of Iraq is controlled by the United States. And it was all done with only a few hundred casualties total. Simply amazing. But the anti-war people are so lame that they fixate that we didn't find stockpiles of chemical weapons. Big deal. I for one never considered stockpiles of chemcial weapons to be a significant threat. It was the future threat that Iraq posed -- i.e. a POST-sanctions Iraq posed that I was worried about. Better to deal with Saddam now while we had a reasonably good excuse to do so than later when it would be politically more difficult.

I'm particularly disappointed with the Spanish because they have, effectively, forced the heavy lifting of this war to be more on the shoulders of the British, Americans, Australians, and Poles. As if we somehow want to have to send our soldiers into battle. I think if you asked any American, Brit, Aussie, or Pole they'd tell you that they'd prefer it if we could just go home and live peacefully together. After all, it's the terrorists murdering our civilians in cold blood and making demands that we must convert to their religion or die. 

To the terrorists, this has been a war for a long time. Only in 2001 did we start to treat it as a war. Whether we treat it as a war or not, the terrorists will be murdering civilians as long as they have the power to do so. The problem isn't going to go away simply by wishing it. Remember, these guys were attacking us when Bill Clinton was President. You're not going to get a more diplomatic President (beloved by Europe's elites) than Clinton. So those who hate Bush need to get a grip and realize the problem isn't Bush. The problem is that there are murderous Islamic zealots who will stop at nothing to murder as many non-Muslims (or even Muslims if they get in the way) as they possibly can as part of their worldwide campaign to bring the world to Allah.


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on Mar 22, 2004

"Could we please stop demonising anti-war countries and be honest about the actions that they did take."

Could we please stop glorifying anti-war countries and be honest about the billions they stood to make dealing with a genocidal maniac, more than willing to support terrorists? Every 10k sent to Palestine was incentive for more terrorists to kill people on buses. That's the money we *know* about. How much went to Hamas, Hizbullah? Hussein was on the list of potential supporters for anti-west terrorism, now he isn't. Libya and Iran both had the ability to make nuclear materials, if not nuclear weapons. Do you really think that once France did TotalFinaElf's dirty work and got the sanctions lifted that Hussein wouldn't have had a nuclear program too?

Come on, Halliberton in, TotalFinaElf and Hussein out. Even if there was corruption, the pros outweigh the cons.
on Mar 22, 2004
Brad
please check you facts. Resolution 1441 required the following deadlines

paragraph 3 - within 30 days for Iraq to supply a list of weapon development programmes

paragraph 5 - UN weapons inspectors to be readmitted with 45 days
- UN weapons inspectors to report 60 days later

All these deadlines were MET Brad. Iraq complied. Stop telling lies. 1441 is a publically available document. Go read it. The report of the weapon inspector is a publically available document. Go read it. The US decided it did not believe the weapon inspectors and that Saddam's report (paragraph 3) was therefore a lie. The US claimed it had proof of such (hence the infamous Powell appearance at the UN) and presented these facts. France and Russia refused to believe the US 'proof' and so the US and UK had to invade without a UN resolution.

Please stop posting lies about 1441 and accept the truth. The US took an ACTION as it disagreed with the ACTION the UN wanted, which was to wait till the next bi-yearly report and see if the weapon inspectors had found anything new.

Paul.
on Mar 25, 2004
I can't understand that anyone would think that people who oppse the Iraq war do not have a position. In fact, they have a very strong position: that President Bush has used the tragedy of 9/11 as an excuse to invade a country which, although ruled by a terrible dictator, was not the enemy it was made out to be, therefore, the loss of human life and gigantic burden to the taxpayer is unjustified.
The fact is, there are dictatorships all over the world which cause just as much suffering to their people as that in Iraq, yet we do not plan to invade any of them. The key difference between Iraq and these places is that they have that oil stuff over in Iraq. Put this info together with Bush's background and ideaology, and throw Cheney and Halliburton into the mix, and the picture becomes clearer.
We see these two points brought out in the news almost every day, so there are plenty of smart, attentive people who think this way, but somehow it is impossible to some that God-fearing George W. Bush(who thinks of this planet as a dumping ground for toxic waste and couldn't tell a reporter at a White House press conference which part of scripture he had read that day, although he has said that he reads a part of the Bible every morning) could possibly have any selfish motivation concerning Iraq.
To me, the deceptions involved in getting this country to go to war with Iraq amount to impeachable, if not treasonous, offenses. Yet we would rather impeach a guy for getting a BJ than for starting a war under deceptive pretexes. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
on Mar 25, 2004
Yet we would rather impeach a guy for getting a BJ than for starting a war under deceptive pretexes.


Kosovo. Of course, he didn't start it, but he still fought in that unjust war.
on Mar 25, 2004
You think putting an end to ethnic cleansing which claimed the lifes of hundreds of thousands unjust? Besides, I was not debating the justness of the Iraq war, but the false pretexes which were utilized in an attempt to gain acceptance for it.
It would not have been nearly as bad if Bush had said:"look, they're killing people like flies over there, let's go give those poor suckers a hand up". But he DELIBERATELY preyed upon the sensibilities of a nation which had been terribly wounded by a vicious terrorist attack, in order to start a war which, from the information being brought to light recently, he was a hankerin' for even before he was inaugurated(as if his feverish attitude didn't belie how deep-rooted his intentions were the whole time he was pushing for the war).
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