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How much is too much?
Published on September 7, 2006 By Draginol In Life

I've heard the term "conspicuous consumption" thrown around over the years but it's never properly defined.  Because I like to label everything, just ask my critics, I'll label it: Conspicious consumption is when a person has something that is greater than 4X in size or value of what the typical American has.

Let's play a game with that:

The typical American car now costs around $25,000.  A $100,000 car seems really over the the top to a lot of people.  The typical American new home is 2,500 square foot. A 10,000 square foot home seems ridiculous.  A typical wedding costs $10,000 day.  A $40,000 wedding seems excessive.  You get the idea.

Why is the 4X important in this discussion? That brings us to the second part -- the difference between the richest people and the middle class is determined almost purely by the amount of regulation there is in the economy.  The more the government regulates the economy, the less of a gap there is. The upside is that we can get endless reports of how the system is "fairer".  The downside is that the overall standard of living we all enjoy grows at a slower rate because the mega producers in the economy are disincented from doing what they do best. 

Right now, the economy is less regulated than it was 10 years ago so the gap is growing.  But in the United States, since Reagan the economy has been much less regulated which means the gap between the middle class and the richest 5% is pretty significant.  How significant?  According to the IRS the top 1% average over $1.1 million per year (pre-tax).  The next 4% average $210,000 per year. Leaving the average American household earning around $40,000 per year.

See the problem yet? If conspicuous consumption is spending 4X what the typical American has on something and the top 5% are earning 5X or more than the average American then you are going to have people who are merely spending the same ratio as everyone else on things behaving conspiciously.

So why is that a problem? Because the people who really get upset about conspicious consumption are usually the ones who make class wafare arguments or demand much higher taxes on that top 5%.

For example, one leftist blogger put it like this (from here):

I'm enough of a believer in CPI bias to want to say "real compensation for male nonsupervisory workers has stagnated since 1973"--I think it has grown, but only very slowly, and much less rapidly than productivity.

On the other hand, I'm enough of a touchy-feey sociology-lover to believe that a good chunk of the utility the rich derive from their conspicuous consumption is transferred to them from the poor: the happiness America's working poor and middle class derive from the compensation distribution--given their compensation, the compensation of the rich, and the lifestyles of the rich and famous--seems to me to be certainly less than that of their counterparts back in 1973.

Note the premise: That the wealth that the top 5% have is essentially stolen -- transffered to them -- from the poor.  That's right, the bottom half of the populatoin are the ones really generating that wealth and the top 5% are just taking it from them.  Which, to anyone with any understanding of the economy, is utter nonsense.  Anyone who thinks that economics is a zero-sum game is clueless.  Joe Rich Guy's wealth does not hurt Bob poor guy.

But if that's not explicit enough, he then writes:

"The easiest and most important thing the government can do to neutralize the adverse consequences of rising inequality is to make the tax system more progressive, not less. A reality-based government would react to growing pretax inequality by taxing the rich more, and subsidizing the poor more (through policies like the EITC) as well. "

This is a total perversion of what the founding fathers had in mind.  It is not the role of government to re-distribute wealth.  Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Not only would such a policy be immoral in my view, it would be damaging to future generations.  As we enjoy our various luxuries today whether it be computers, the Internet, movies on demand, much higher quality housing per square foot and per cost, etc. one should ask oneself where those benefits came from. Who came up with it?  It doesn't take a historian to note that the biggest improvements in the way we live have come when taxation was relatively low.  People are much better at spending their own money than a government agency. 

The minute a person starts to think that there is something morally wrong with one guy having a big house or fancy car or private jet or whatever and another guy "only" having one TV -- and not HDTV and living in "only" a 1500 square foot house is the minute they've given up on the American dream.

Once you give up on the American dream, you might as well start thinking like that guy who followed up his post with:

I wrote that one reason that America's rich today live the expensive and ostentatious lifestyles they do (rather than spending much more money on charity, or philanthropy) is that it is a way of making other people feel small and unhappy...

Which is about as logical as saying that the motivation for a middle class person to buy a new home is to make homeless people feel small and unhappy. Class envy is a venomous thing in a free society. Let us hope that it never becomes too widespread. The citizens of Soviet Russia got a good taste of what happens when class envy takes over.


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on Sep 08, 2006

Sure there aren't now. But how much can you 'progress' taxation before it becomes a problem? I find the whole thing fascinating and I wish I understood the economics side better. I'm convinced there must be a point at which everything remains politically stable but the doers get the maximum possible reward. The problems are all in finding that point.

I don't think (in the US anyway) there'd be class riots period even if there were no taxes.  The vast bulk of America is not waiting for "the rich" to hand them freebies.

on Sep 08, 2006
I don't think (in the US anyway) there'd be class riots period even if there were no taxes.


Maybe. You'd have to admit though that things got pretty dicey during the Great Depression.
on Sep 08, 2006
The vast bulk of America is not waiting for "the rich" to hand them freebies.


The vast bulk of America wouldn't accept them.
on Sep 09, 2006
Corporate fatcats are in for a surprise in the next few elections. Either that, or there will be a class based civil war in this country because the status-quo simply will not endure much more of this nonsense. Real middle class wages are down, while corporate profits and executive salaries are way up. Wheres the trickle down? There isn't any... An executive that gets big tax cuts, and rides on the backs of the middle class to the top doesn't take his sudden windfall and hire more people, increase salaries, better benefits, or pension plans. The reality is, he runs out and buys a fancy car and other nice useless toys to show off his new found wealth while the people around him suffer.

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This country has to change if it wants to survive, there has to be more wealth distribution in the form of a better tax system, forced pension plans, universal corporate funded healthcare, and other things. I believe there should be wage caps on the upper end as well, I find it silly we have executives making 50 million a year, while their little slave labor workers toil. Mark my words it has to change or the change will be forced upon everyone. The current system won't survive long the way it is right now, the movement is growing.
on Sep 09, 2006
Either that, or there will be a class based civil war in this country because the status-quo simply will not endure much more of this nonsense.


You ACTUALLY believe that? Really? Civil war?
on Sep 09, 2006
The current system won't survive long the way it is right now, the movement is growing.


What movement would that be? Communism? Yeah, that worked out really well in the Soviet Union. Even China is moving towards capitalism, albeit slowly.
on Sep 09, 2006
Waste isn't someone who buys a $100 toaster over a $19 toaster. Both people fuel industries that feed our kids and pay for our social services. For every million dollar home that is built innumerable people are employed and gross amounts of money flow into the social system in the form of property taxes. Those poor mexicans trying to feed their families go to work every day building homes that people claim are a gross misuse of money.

If you DID consider such to be waste, take a minute and think about raw percentages. For every business that buys an extravagant painting for their offices, there's a million people tossing away a double digit percent of their income to international credit corporations. I don't have a problem with them on the whole, but that ISN'T money that is staying in the local economy. Granted, it is being loaned to other people to buy more goods, but the tithing to "evil" corporations should be of far more interest than a 10,000 sqare foot house that DOES generate revenue for local governments.

In the end, if you want to talk about waste, I mean REAL waste, look sometime at the pecentage of the currency in your nation's economy that simply rotates back and forth in your government. The money they take from us and our fatcat villains end up going, billions at a time, to payoffs for "friendly" states around the world. Look at the earmarks that steal your tax money for projects funded by flunkies that ends up back in the political system the next election to start the process over again.

So, in the end, if you are really concerned with the plight of your local economies, you'll keep as much of the money as you can THERE. Money that changes hands THERE buys textbooks for your kids, improves your roads, and ends up in the pockets of people who buy things and create businesses that employ people THERE.

No one with a credit card in their pocket, or who advocates raising federal taxes, should whine for a half second about some rich person building a big house. Their "excess" money is paying for your kid's education and the social services we are brainwashed to believe we need. Yours is being shipped away to benefit people who don't care about your local economy.

on Sep 09, 2006
"What about the predominant view from the Middle East? Rami G. Khouri is director of the Issam Fares Institute at the American University of Beirut and editor-at-large at the Daily Star newspaper, which is published throughout the region. On the radio segment, he said: \"The American war on terror is perceived in Lebanon and much of the Middle East as a sign of the combination of arrogance and confusion that is driving American policy, not only in the Middle East but I think in much of the world.\"

Bullshit, frankly.

The "predominant view from the middle east" can be divided between talking heads who have the ability to see the world as it is and use their perspective to promote their interests, and the drones who feed off the misinformation the former provide. The average American has far, far more ability to see the political and economic world as it is, and to take part in it, than the average person in almost any Middle Eastern nation.

People will such attitudes toward the war on terror are simply ignorant, selfishly biased, or sympathetic to terror themselves. Nothing would benefit the Middle East more than to rid it of the groups who waste BILLIONS making their nations medieval landfills and unpalatable to the business and tourist interests of the rest of the world. Iraq is the home of the world's oldest civilizations, and utilizes NONE of that because they behead the people who want desperately to spend their money there.

on Sep 09, 2006

Maybe. You'd have to admit though that things got pretty dicey during the Great Depression.

Not really. The US was not in any near civil war or anything like that. But even so, it was the great depression and it was not due to low taxation and people were losing their homes and had lost their life savings.

It's not comparable to what we have today. A bunch of fat middle class Americans are not going to start trying to take down the government because they see some guy driving around in a gold plated rocket car.

on Sep 09, 2006
Reply #38
(Citizen)The Debt Trap
September 9, 2006 01:06:02


And any of this is even remotely related to the posted topic how?
on Sep 09, 2006
It's not comparable to what we have today. A bunch of fat middle class Americans are not going to start trying to take down the government because they see some guy driving around in a gold plated rocket car.


True enough and I'll concede that. The mere existence of much greater wealth isn't going to lead to unrest. Maybe the line is at opportunity - when the poor think they can't do as well as the rich.

But in any case conspicuous wealth isn't always a good idea. Park a gold-plated rocket car on the wrong street at the wrong time and you could lose your car, your wallet and your life in short order. But if you were driving a cheap 1970s Ford or something you might get through unscathed. That's more or less what I consider the problem with conspicuous consumption in general.

To actually answer your initial question though I would view it as being shiny - wearing gold (of any kind) without being a girl, driving a flashy car, living blatantly in a mansion (ie in an exclusive area or something like that), flashing a deck of credit cards at any opportunity and speaking about international travel all the time. A gold-tipped pimp cane or a fedora studded with precious jewels are also probably a little showy. Anything else I think you can probably get away with without being conspicuously wealthy.
on Sep 09, 2006
"Park a gold-plated rocket car on the wrong street at the wrong time and you could lose your car, your wallet and your life in short order."


And yet the people who are generally defiling that car are idolizing men who pay hundreds of thousands for jewelery... even for their teeth. Ghetto idols are buying a platinum and diamond studded grill and driving $250,000 custom Escalades... all while 'keeping it real in the hood'.

I'm thinking your idea of 'class' needs adjustment, cacto. Is it really conspicuous wealth we are talking about here? If so, why is lil john and snoop dogg walking around with the cane and the gem-encrusted goblets?

No, you aren't talking about class, you are talking about race. When you see depictions of fatcats chewing on cigars, how many of them are hispanic or black? None. Why? Because we admire minorities for doing the exact same thing we vilify white people for doing.

If you want to talk about economics, fine, but at least acknowledge the racism inherent in what you are talking about. I don't remember the people who you claim are in a state of unrest vilifying Micheal Jordan for his millions. If those people have hate, it is racial hate.

If a rich white man had showed up at the convention center in New Orleans alongside a rich black man, who would have had to fear unrest the most, would you say? Some irrational problems can't be fixed by economic policy.
on Sep 09, 2006
And yet the people who are generally defiling that car are idolizing men who pay hundreds of thousands for jewelery... even for their teeth. Ghetto idols are buying a platinum and diamond studded grill and driving $250,000 custom Escalades... all while 'keeping it real in the hood'.


Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)
Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)



:::walks away, whistling:
on Sep 09, 2006
I'm thinking your idea of 'class' needs adjustment, cacto. Is it really conspicuous wealth we are talking about here? If so, why is lil john and snoop dogg walking around with the cane and the gem-encrusted goblets?


Maybe I do. I didn't even think of what race of people would live in the area. The roughest place in my town is predominately white - park a good car there overnight and it'll be gone or trashed by morning. Conversely you'd be safest parking it in the inner-city Embassy districts, where most of the non-Anglos live. Just one of those things I guess.

But to be honest I'm not really thinking about class in the Marxist sense at all. It's more a history thing - every society with large differences between rich and poor has spent a great deal of its time suppressing revolts. Conspicuous consumption may have something to do with that because it brings the differences into sharp relief. Of course it might not, but I think it's interesting and a potential factor all the same.
on Sep 10, 2006

This country has to change if it wants to survive, there has to be more wealth distribution in the form of a better tax system, forced pension plans, universal corporate funded healthcare, and other things. I believe there should be wage caps on the upper end as well, I find it silly we have executives making 50 million a year, while their little slave labor workers toil. Mark my words it has to change or the change will be forced upon everyone. The current system won't survive long the way it is right now, the movement is growing.

Wow. What an utterly incomplete understanding of economics.

Where to start.  Wage caps.  So, why should I work my ass off if my wages are going to be capped? I've created dozens of jobs in the past couple of years.  Wage caps are a great way to kill the golden gooses of the economy.  THe reality is that it's not the rich working on the backs of the middle class but rather the rich going to great places and taking the middle class along them for the ride. 

The movers of our economy -- the ones who create jobs, are rewarded by our system via getting to keep a significant portion of the wealth they create.  Take away the incentive and people who create the new things you enjoy so much and the jobs people have will simply say enough and just not work as much.

The current system has survived well for hundreds of years.  The system you proposed was tried in the Soviet Union and continues in North Korea. It doesn't work out so well in practice.

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