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Published on October 25, 2006 By Brad Wardell In War on Terror

One of the many reasons I'm not a fan of Bush is that he continually allows his opponents to re-define his own objectives. 

How many times has the "Mission Accomplished" photo-op been thrown back in his face? And yet, what was the mission that was accomplished? Deposing Saddam Hussein.  That was the mission. That was precisely what the war was about - to remove a dictator in a critical part of the world that was an open enemy of the United States. Period.

But now, "success" is being measured as whether we can turn Iraq into some idealized democracy like...um...Germany or Japan or maybe South Korea?  It's worth noting that we still have troops in those countries. We had more troops in Germany 20 years after the end of World War II than we have in Iraq today.

The problem is, there is no way that Iraq will be a "success" by the definitions being generated by Bush's opponents.  If utter placity and a compliant government are the measurments of success, then we lost World War II.

So what should we do in Iraq?

1) AFTER the election we should set up a time table for Iraqi responsibility. This time table would not be connected to US withdrawal (Because I don't expect the US to leave Iraq in the next 40 years). But the time table would indicate that certain domestic security responsibilities would be turned over at that time. The time table would be roughly 18 months.

2) Once the time table was over, the US would start to draw down forces. However, a significant contingent (a couple of divisions) would remain in Iraq but well away from urban areas (preferably in in areas controlled by the Kurds). This troop level would probably be around 35,000 to 50,000 troops in total that would be permanently based there to provide support and as an insurance policy to prevent any terrorist group from being able to set up shop in Iraq.

3) We would make clear what US national interests are. Namely, a peaceful Democratic Iraq is something we'd hope for but is not required. If the Sunnis and Shiites want to kill each other, that's really none of our concern. If Iraq is in a state of quasi-civil war, that is, again, really not our concern as long as we have enough force in place to prevent any terrorist groups from setting up a permanent base of operations (ala the training camps that once existed in Afghanistan as well as a sanctuary for terrorist leaders).

By defining these 3 things, it would also send a clear message to other nations in the region and Europe. Those countries, not the United States, suffer if Iraq is in a civil war. Very little of our oil comes from Iraq (contrary to the "no blood for OIILLL" crowd). We don't need a stable Iraq.  We want a stable Iraq.  Europe, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and other countries have a vested interest in a stable Iraq, if they want to help out, they are certainly welcome to. But as long as we are defining success based on the stability of Iraq, they have no incentive to help us. That needs to be changed.

It's worth noting that toppling Saddam's regime was done with fewer than 500 combat deaths. The thousands of American casualties in Iraq since then have been in the name of this new, previously unannounced "mission" of creating a stable and democratic Iraq. 


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on Oct 27, 2006
I think we should let the commanders on the ground fight the war and tell the Senate and House to leave their innane comments at the door.

I also think we should excuse the press without further comment. They have more than proven that they are too incompetent to be taken seriously anymore (and not just in the war in Iraq, but EVERYTHING).

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You are right though, the left has been allowed to redefine everything Prs. Bush says and does. Now, I do attribute that a lot to the incompetent reporting from a press that wouldn't know facts if they were tattoed on their faces, but that is only part of the problem.

The main problem is, Prs. Bush himself. He truly expects people to see that he is trying to do what is best for the country. Because of that, he rarely sees any reason to "sell" what seems so clear to himself.

He kind of reminds me of Howard Roark in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead". He thinks the facts should speak for themselves. Unfortunately, liars and spinmeisters are better at making a charicature of the facts than Prs. Bush has been at making them clear.
on Oct 27, 2006
You call Japan and Germany compliant? What's your definition of compliant?


"Submissive." (m-w.com) Especially in Japan, where the Emperor himself was passing along MacArthur's orders. We had 8.3 million men in the army then and we only used 200,000 of them for occupying Japan. In Germany, too, we had no problem giving the German police force back their firearms to maintain curfew for us as early as 1945 or 1946. The government worked with us and the Germans behaved pretty well too for people living on 1000 calories a day. (Source for all: h ttp://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch23set.htm )

You are working from a moral premise I don't accept. Our job in Iraq isn't some nebulous "moral" crusade. Our job is to enforce our interests in the region.


I don't mean to say that our goal in Iraq is to charitably improve the lot of the Iraqi people, or that a warden's goal is to protect his inmates. I'm just appealing to the idea that whatever we do, we should do in the most moral way we can afford -- most everybody agrees with that, that's why we don't just drop a nuke on Baghdad and say "Problem solved." (Or maybe the only reason we don't is that looking brutal isn't in our best interests? I think it's morality.)

When you say "if I'm the warden of a prison, the moment that letting the crips and bloods wipe each other is more to my best interest than keeping them locked up I'd not hesitate for a second," by "my best interest" do you mean an equivalent moral concern, like "the murders this prevents outweigh the ones I'm causing," or do you mean "interests" like "if I let these prisoners kill each other, I won't have to spend as much money on guards?" That would be an unmoral position, giving no weight to compassion at all -- is that what you're saying?

I think what you're really saying is that you don't feel a moral responsibility for the prisoners/Iraqis, and you justify it by saying they are "fully thinking, rational adults capable of determining what is in their best interests as well." What if you put a rational adult in a situation where killing people is in his best interest, like gladiatorial combat, a prison riot, or a country where you have to join a private army to be safe? You're responsible for what happens then, if you could have acted differently.

So we're not responsible for the Hutus and the Tutsis, because we didn't create the situation there, but we did create the situation in Iraq and we have more responsibility to protect them. (Demosthenes Locke makes a good point here about how much of the situation we created, if we affected the timing only, then we're not as responsible.)
on Oct 27, 2006
You have me completely stunned. Your Article is Great. It woke me up a little. lol






EthelMary040
on Oct 27, 2006
You have me completely stunned. Your Article is Great. It woke me up a little. lol






EthelMary040
on Oct 28, 2006
I just wanted to comment on a lot of what I read, great discussion btw.

"The main problem is, Prs. Bush himself. He truly expects people to see that he is trying to do what is best for the country. Because of that, he rarely sees any reason to "sell" what seems so clear to himself."

I don't think he is capable of communicating on the level or consistency necesary to get the sale achieved.

Most of the prewar "selling" of this war was done by members of the administration and some congressmembers. I'm not saying Bush wasn't for it, but he was for the wrong reasons, WMD, a free IRAQ (give me a break they are no more free from fear today then they were before the war, in Baghdad at least), removing the perceived safehaven for the terrorist threat.

Not only that but a lot of what he is saying is being proved to be wrong or borderline as well as when he makes a verbal slip or just plain bothches communication in general. "It was never about stay the course" Very sad.

"We would make clear what US national interests are."

Doing this would expose the oil pseudo-conspiracy between Dem's and Rep's obviously we are in Iraq because they have a crap load of oil. Very sad as well.

"It's worth noting that toppling Saddam's regime was done with fewer than 500 combat deaths. The thousands of American casualties in Iraq since then have been in the name of this new, previously unannounced "mission" of creating a stable and democratic Iraq. "

Exactly, the job we were sold on doing, was to get him out of power, so that weapons inspectors could find WMD or we could find it, and then setup a government and get out of dodge, now we're the hired guns of the Iraqi government and for the far foreseeable future, and what of it are we going to gain by doing this. There never was WMD, Al Qaeda, I don't know if it's believable they are responsible for anything but a small amount of the violence going on but they certainly are more visible there in conflict then beforehand and I don't think I buy the argument that if we don't confront them in Iraq then we'll have to confront them in the US, I think that's crap too. How many American's have to die for the unannounced/unsold/unapproved/wrongfully fought war of creating a stable and democratic Iraq?
4,000?
5,000?
10,000?

"If the Mission was to depose Saddam, we should have removed our troops in mid 2003."

Agreed.

"By 2007, there will be enormous pressure on President Bush to withdraw our troops from Iraq. Pressure coming from within his party as well as from the Democrats. I sincerely doubt that the situation will have stabilized in Iraq. But even if it has, Iran has the wealth and resources to destabilize any but the strongest government."

Agree, Unless the USA/UN gets tough with Iran sooner rather then later we're going to have an even more unstable situation then right now. Get used to it. Just because we have troops in the Mid-East doesn't equal stability.

"Once US troops leave, they will not be coming back."

Didn't work out that way in the gulf war. But then we never really left.

"The UN is useless as a peace-keeper. Does anyone really think that Iran will have been disamred by then? Iran has documented ties to terrorists in the Middle East, Hezbollah the most visible. Would other Arab countries oppose a pan-Shiite state? Would Saudi Arabia or Jordan or Syria send troops across their borders to oppose them?"

The UN needs to get it's act together and start acting like a UN should. Enforcing it's own rules and not relying or allowing us to do so.

"If Iran has nuclear weapons by 2007/2008 would the next President favor an invasion?"

We won't know until Iran has the bomb, and when they do we'll know because they will have used it on Israel if the current bastard is in power. A very dangerous world it is becomming. Nuclear non-preliferation isn't really working out is it?

"What I find baffling and a bit racist is the idea that the Iraqi's are not responsible for putting together a government. That the lack of a stable government in Iraq is OUR responsibility -- our failure which I find to be nonsensical since it requires us to believe that a nation of 20+ million inhabitants doesn't have the competence to put together their own government.
This isn't a country that's beein invaded by a neighor (ala Vietnam or Korea). This is a country that has an armed insurgency like MANY countries in the world (The Philipines, Columbia, and countless others have much larger as a % of the population insurgencies than Iraq has).
If Iraq can't get their act together in another year and a half, I don't think they ever will and at that point it's time for the US to look at the region using narrow self-interest. "

Hell yeah, where is this argument in the nation politics? Why are we the only ones with the can do attitude in the world? The Iraqi's are capable of mining the world's most important resource, and from what I hear from friends in the service, shrewd businessmen, but aren't the Iraqi's capable of doing the job of ruling themselves and managing an insurgency themselves? Duh? The answer is they are so why are we hanging around?

"What I'm missing are the (long term) foreign policy goals of the US. What does the US want to achieve?"

Short-sighted as they would appear,
-Minging and refining the $100 trillion of oil under the sand yet,
-Adding another US allied democracy to the region, to augment world power.
-Get rid of Saddam, show other potentially rogue nations like the DPRK, and IRAN that we mean business (really not working out all that well when you are dealing with lunatics)
-Elminate the potential for WMD to actually be in Iraq and be given or sold to international terrorists (really the only reason we should even be there)
-Reduce the funding for suicide/homocide bombers in Isreal, the only other democracy in the region, a US ally btw.
-Keep world oil prices stable or at least controllable, and markets flowing and working.

I don't think the strategy unfortunately was ever to get in and out fast, I think it was to get in, and stay in, until we're ready to leave, or the new Iraqi government is ready to see us go. I would expect for all the money poured into Iraq for it to become the 51st state for crying outloud. But since things have been managed so poorly most of it has been squandered. Another example of how this administration has squandered money and the handling of things, disasters or particular importance is the federal handling of the refugee situation of Hurricane Katrina victims, the homeless problem, the clean up and re-construction. Instead of making it a 2-3 year plan, it's going to take years and years to be rebuildt. Although progress would seem to be faster then in Iraq in certain areas, because people were just asorbed into other communities.

The war in Iraq sucks.
on Nov 09, 2006
There is a HUGE difference between the troops in Germany and Japan after the war and the troops in Iraq now. I can't even believe that you compared the three. I can see a correlation to South Korea, but Germany and Japan? You have got to be kidding me. There is no ongoing war in either of those countries, and there was no guerrilla war taking place at all after both nations surrendered. That is not true in Iraq, and the same can be said about Korea. Please stop writing partial truths just to make your point. If it is worth your time to write an article about something you believe in, then don't put out arguments that have inherent holes in them. You are better than that, and you know it.
on Nov 09, 2006
Brad,

I apologize for that last reply. I can understand someone not taking the time to truly hammer out their arguments when they are passionate about it. I used to write articles like you do when I was in High School. If you like writing in that style, then continue doing so. Just remember that people will pick up on it, and remember that you are only bringing up the pieces of stories that support your argument.

I am still upset that someone went out of her way to berate me even though I have been nothing but nice to her. She wrote a large article about me that was completely false, and she even knows that. I don't understand for the life of me why she did it, considering that until that point she was trying to masquerade as a friend to me. I took out that frustration on you, and I am very sorry for that. It was wrong of me.

I hope that you are having a good day and that things are going well for you in both you professional and personal life.

-Marty
on Nov 27, 2006
I have no idea how Brad does it.

By my count, he has a wife, a child, runs a small company (no company is ever small) and spits out this many articles and provides this much interaction.

As excellent as the Draginol quality is, it must be stretched fairly thinly from time to time.
on Nov 27, 2006
First of all, there is no such an entity as Iraqi nation. Iraq was carved out of the Ottoman Empire quite randomly after WW1. Thanks to the "smart" people of the contemporary West, lots of such horrible countries and borders were made in the past 150 years.

1. Half of Africa owns its disfunctionality to colonization-era borders
2. Splitting the Habsburg Empire and making countries like Hungary with 1/3 of their ethnic population outside of its borders wasn't a good idea either.. thanks to such tensions Trans-European countries went to bed with Hitler, then got stomped down by the Commies.. laughable 70 years lost.
3. The Middle East is the same story like nr.1: fabricated countries out of nothing. Not really a wonder they needed brutal leaders to not descend in chaos.

Iraq?
Consists of three parts: Kurdistan, northern Sunni areas, southern Shiite areas.
Three-way split would be the best. Control of oil reserves through indirect means is desirable.
on Nov 28, 2006
Preach on, brother 'Gergo.
on Nov 28, 2006
That was precisely what the war was about - to remove a dictator in a critical part of the world that was an open enemy of the United States. Period.


What gave the United states the authority to remove Saddam? How is Iraq better now then before we invaded? If this is the standard for the U.S. to go to war, how many other countries fit the very same objective you stated?
on Nov 28, 2006
Preach on, brother 'Gergo


Oh yes, brother Deference:). I'm an f-word preacher..

No, really I don't wanna be that, my style is infantile, English is not my native language. So have forgiveness brother Deference.
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