Brad Wardell's views about technology, politics, religion, world affairs, and all sorts of politically incorrect topics.
Published on September 17, 2007 By Draginol In Virtual Communities

As I get older (read more experienced socially) I have gotten a lot better in determining whether someone is a winner or a loser. Without knowing how much they make, how well they get along with their families, how in order they have their lives, I can usually tell in the course of a conversation whether the person is basically a winner or a loser.

So how can you tell? Here's some things I look for:

A Winner…

  1. Leaves a given situation better than they found it. If you loan them something or let them use something of yours, you'll get it back in as good or typically better condition than when you loaned it.
  2. Never takes advantage of the good will of others. Winners see the good will of others as a gift to be honored and will respect it.
  3. Takes responsibility for failure without making excuses. If something goes wrong, they cut to the chase and will say "I blew it, it's my fault I will make it better."
  4. Takes the long view of things. Winners are very good at looking at things from the long term. One of the reasons why winners tend to have money is because of this trait.
  5. Has a strong sense of delayed gratification. Winners can control their short term desires in order to build a better future. For instance, proving that money isn't what separates a winner from a loser, a winner's home will almost always be bigger and have nicer things in it even if they make the same amount of money as their loser friend because the loser will have squandered their money on junk.
  6. Sees themselves as masters of their own destiny. Winners are captains of their own lives. Whether they are poor or disabled, they will still see themselves as being in control.
  7. Tries to learn how successful people became successful. Winners learn to recognize other winners and see what they can learn from them.
  8. Knows life ain't fair and deals with it. Winners know that life is indifferent and random. They will adjust their course based on the obstacles put in their way.

A Loser…

  1. Tends to leave a given situation worse than they found it. Ever loan someone a car or let someone borrow one of your things or stay at your house? The quickest way of seeing if someone is a loser is if they trash your stuff. Loan a loser a car and it'll come back with a stain on it. Loan them a tool and it'll come back broken. Let them stay at your place and they'll leave it a mess.
  2. Will exploit the good will of others. Losers are fundamentally inconsiderate and this is a big reason to what dooms them to being a loser. "Success has many fathers" is true in so many ways. To be successful you need people to help you and losers will always ensure that people aren't helping them because they will squander the good will of others before they can get very far.
  3. Makes excuses for every set back and blames others for failure. Another easy way to spot a loser is the plethora of excuses they give. Nothing is ever their fault. You can even get an idea to what degree of loser the person is by how ridiculous their excuses are. The greater the length the person goes to avoid taking responsibility the bigger the loser.
  4. Thinks only of the here and now with little thought of the future. Losers always seem to lack any foresight. They'll do things that have inevitable severe consequences and yet be oblivious to those consequences because they can't think more than a few days ahead.
  5. Has to have things now. One of the reasons why losers never seem to have money is that they have no self-control. A loser won't have any sort of investments or savings but will have an Xbox 360, Play Station 3, and a Wii and then bitch about not having any money. Losers seem to consume toys and junk like others breath air. As a result, they never build any sort of assets.
  6. Sees themselves as victims or having "bad luck". Nothing screams "loser" louder than someone saying how some authority figure "had it out for them." Please. While there are certainly bad actors out there, nearly always it's just a loser trying to argue how they just got screwed rather than recognizing that maybe they should have done what they were supposed to be. "Oh, she had it out for me, she was just waiting for me to show up twice in a row stoned so that she could fire me!"
  7. Thinks successful people were just lucky. Losers have envy down pat. It rarely if ever crosses a loser's mind that they might learn something from winners. That's because they think winners are just lucky. A loser is good at finding a minor obstacle and using it as an excuse to fail. "Oh, if only I could sing, then I could be a rock star and be rich! If I could sing then I wouldn't be living in this dump." Life is a bit like a race in the sense that from the end of high school on you see increasing differences between the different people in terms of lifestyles. Some people certainly get head starts because of mom or dad helping them. But over time, life has a way of sorting things out quite a bit. If you've become successful in some way, the differences between you and others may be quite significant. So when if you run into a contemporary, you can usually tell without asking about their background if they're a loser by how they react. If they behave enviously or use the term "luck" several times then odds are they're a loser. In the few times where I have inquired about what they're up to, sure enough, they're a twice-divorced, semi-dead beat dad working at some crappy job in which their boss is "screwing them over" living in a crappy apartment (but with a state of the art cell phone and Playstation 3 of course).
  8. Worries about what is "fair". Nothing is more annoying than people who think there is some sort of objective "fairness" to life. Here's a quick way to know if you (the reader) are a loser or a winner: Are you making enough money where you currently work? If you feel you're underpaid, then a winner will work harder to show demonsratable results and failing to get appreciation for their hard work will find another job. A loser, by contrast, will rationalize working less and screwing off more at their job because they're not paid well enough (which due to #4 means they'll always be a low paid drone because they don't recognize the logical consequences of that strategy).

What's amazing is how easy it is to spot winners and losers. It's usually incredibly obvious within moments of meeting someone. Most people aren't losers. But it's not a gradient or anything like that. Those people who fall into the loser category tend to be full-hog into that category (i.e. meets almost all the criteria in a big way). That's what always shocks me is that losers don't just have one or two of these traits, they almost always have all of them.

As an employer, I've employed my share of losers (I'm getting better in the interview process). I've seen people who have had every opportunity completely squander our good will and blindingly sabotage their own futures through an amazing lack of foresight, victim-role playing and lack of self control.


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on Sep 18, 2007
I didn't mean for my second paragraph to be directed at you or anyone in particular. Sorry if it came off that way. It's just a reference to "IMO" and what I think would cause an individual loss at the "Game of Life"

When I wrote this (as Draginol) I was very careful to make sure that I didn't imply that money or material gain were qualifiers for being winners. I also was careful not to imply that "success" equates to financial wealth.


I understood that from the OP and your follow up. I agree.

Losers, in my experience, always find a reason to fail. As individuals, we define success in different ways. But a loser will look at someone they deem as successful and rather than try to learn from them, they will come up with excuses that prevent them from becoming successful.


Never try, always DO.

on Sep 18, 2007

I tend to take a more affective view of what makes a winner--personal qualities versus a Rolls in the garage and three homes. I've known of several people like that (with all the "good stuff"), and I haven't been impressed by them as people at all

As Brad said, it's all about attitude.  I know some flat broke winners......and I also know some HUGE losers who were pretty flush with cash.

I'd rather be a broke winner, personally. 

on Sep 18, 2007
Made, and can become winners if they CHOOSE to.


I agree. It's what I consider the "cult of victimhood". Shaking that mentality takes work, but it is necessary for success.

One of the things I have corrected on many occasions is the commonly used phrase "90% of businesses fail in the first year". That's a loser mindset. I don't want to know about the businesses that failed; I want to study the ones who succeed. Failure's easy to achieve. Success takes a little more work.
on Sep 18, 2007
It's what I consider the "cult of victimhood"


Which usually includes a huge lacking of Personal Responsibility and overly eager sense of entitlement.

I have corrected on many occasions is the commonly used phrase "90% of businesses fail in the first year"


That number is highly flawed. It's primarily government statistics that references businesses that no longer generate taxable income.

There was an article in Inc. magazine years ago that elaborated on this. If a business ceases to exist than it is deemed a failure when some businesses are short term opportunity ventures, others are mom and pop operations who retire. The real numbers depending on your view are actually closer to 50/50.

on Sep 18, 2007
I'm a loser...big time....my luck is so bad and I never win anything. That's why I never ever bet on the gee, gees or the dogs....nor do I ever buy lottery or raffle tickets, and I never ever play cards (poker.etc) for/or with money.....

....s'pose that makes me a winner, cos I ain't looking for a quick or easy buck to make it through.

If you want to know if you're a winner or not, look to family and friends. A winner is gonna have a loving family and friends who can be counted on. That's a winner in LIFE.


Yep, this is what a Winner is to me....success is better measured in the terrific relationships one has accumulated, rather than anything materialistic or monetary.

on Sep 18, 2007
For instance, a loser might define success as being able to complete a 10 mile run. But they would, even if they had no physical handicaps, find excuses as to why they couldn't do a 10 mile run.


Brad lets go for something a bit less physical. More along the line of mentality or abilities to do something they can; but really don't care about doing it all. They find ways to get out of doing it and leave others wondering something like " what went wrong and where and why with who? ". Does this sound more familar and has it happened to you here in the past or just recently?

I believe you have hit a very high note here with this thread and it could mean a lot to someone. Those that will look hard and see where and so on as to what you have explained as being able to interpret what is a winner or a loser. Really it is easy! But as you have seen and others here have gone into their views; it is not so easy!~?

I feel there is no test for it and I also think it is very hard for me to say who is and who is not a winner. It is always better to give people something less personal. Than it is to let them think we judge them by their ways of doing or such manner as we would at whatever a glance it may be.
Give them a goal to achieve and test them to see if they find it or give up trying. But atleast they tried to do it though. The mind is a strange place and the things that a person will do and not do or how or who they will do such with; will not mean anything except that they either did or did not. Win or lose those who choose to try are the true winners. Those that did not do are those that lost. They never tried or gave anything for doing it... whatever it maybe!

Thats my definition of a winner and a loser.

I really like this article and hope it goes to help people think what they are by trying harder to be what they truely are to be...

SGT  
on Sep 18, 2007

I think it is all about your attitude. Your outlook on life, handling priorities and goals.

I think it boils down to one thing. To me the difference between a winner and a loser is the person who gets back up to try again every time he/she falls. Reaching the goal is not the real issue. Striving to reach it IS.

on Sep 19, 2007
Seems to me that winners are honest with themselves and others. Losers are not.
Winners do not quit. Ever. Losers quit regularly.
Winners have no need for blame. They see it as pointless. (And it is) When a glass of milk gets spilled, a Loser considers who knocked it over. A winner looks for a mop.
Winners are generally positive. Losers are generally negative.
Winners tend to stay objective. Losers tend to stay subjective.

Just some random thoughts on all this. I'm sick as a dog, so cohesiveness isn't something I'm concentrating very hard on at the moment

Good article.
on Sep 19, 2007

Winners have no need for blame. They see it as pointless. (And it is) When a glass of milk gets spilled, a Loser considers who knocked it over. A winner looks for a mop

I don't know if I agree with that.  I think it is fine to blame somebody for messing something up.  However, a winner will fix what needs to be fixed, even if it isn't their mistake.  However, it doesn't mean that you still can't kick the person who spilled the milk later.

on Sep 19, 2007
I don't know if I agree with that. I think it is fine to blame somebody for messing something up. However, a winner will fix what needs to be fixed, even if it isn't their mistake. However, it doesn't mean that you still can't kick the person who spilled the milk later.


Perhaps using the word "First" as in the "first thing they do" would get agreement. Sometimes, you need to look for blame, but the first thing a winner does is fix the problem, not look for blame.
on Sep 19, 2007
If you want to know if you're a winner or not, look to family and friends. A winner is gonna have a loving family and friends who can be counted on. That's a winner in LIFE.


When I first read that I couldn't agree more. After further thought, I sort of disagree.
-If my family sucks, does that make me a loser?
-If I hung out with the crowd for too long and recently got away from that and have not been able to find new friends, am I a loser for trying to better myself?
-Lots of people do not have any family.

Point being that I think it falls under the "blame someone else" catagory. YOU are a winner or a loser. A winner doesn't need assurance from friends and family. They need assurance from themselves. They need to be uncomfortable with failure. Family and friends are there to assure that your failures are OK. Threfore enabling the loser in you.
I don't think you are wrong. There is just many ways to look at things and they all don't fit everyone.
Perhaps it is better said that if you have alot of love in your family and friends , you are a big winner. However, you are not a loser if you don't have these things.

on Sep 19, 2007
-If my family sucks, does that make me a loser?


From a child's perspective, IMO you're stuck with what you got. So no. But he/she has just started the "game"
As an adult you make the choice for a partner and you raise your children and they in turn raise theirs from your example. If your family sucks then........

Lots of people do not have any family.

Here again for Children, not much they can do about it. For adults, if no one wants to share your life or if you don't want to share your life with someone else, IMO you lose.

-If I hung out with the crowd for too long and recently got away from that and have not been able to find new friends, am I a loser for trying to better myself?


Time will tell.

Keep in mind this is just my opinion and I agree, THERE ARE many ways to look at things.
on Sep 19, 2007
There is Lantec, there really is. Cheers my friend.
on Sep 19, 2007
nm... went a little off topic.
on Sep 19, 2007
I guess in the context of this article, I would have to consider myself a "recovering loser". That's why I have no patience for victim mentality.

For the first 33 years of my life, I was a loser. It was always someone else's fault, I was never going to be successful because I didn't have "connections"; mediocrity was my lot in life.

Once I abandoned this mentality (both my wife and I are products of loser families) I was amazed how quickly doors began opening. I still have a long way to go, but I do know one thing: at least now, when/if I fail, I'm coming to the understanding that, while it may not be entirely my fault, I'm the only one who can do anything about it.
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